US To Become A Cross Between Africa and Mexico Third-World **** Hole

On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
> wrote:

>On May 17, 2:30*pm, Tracey12 > wrote:
>> On May 17, 3:14*pm, "Eddie Haskell" > wrote:
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>> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
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>> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...f-births-minor...
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>> > -Eddie Haskell
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>> We already have the African president from Kenya.
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>> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
>> south of our border.
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>Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
>who can effectively kiss the
>most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
>word "democracy" as an
>operating obscenity.

We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. It is the income taxes
that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.

On May 21, 7:02*am, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
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> >On May 17, 2:30*pm, Tracey12 > wrote:
> >> On May 17, 3:14*pm, "Eddie Haskell" > wrote:
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> >> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
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> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...f-births-minor....
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> >> > -Eddie Haskell
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> >> We already have the African president from Kenya.
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> >> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
> >> south of our border.
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> >Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
> >who can effectively kiss the
> >most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
> >word "democracy" as an
> >operating obscenity.
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> We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. *It is the income taxes
> that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
> the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
> workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
> If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
> much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
> tax money simply paying the interest on it. *Soon the interest on the
> national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
> surpass it. *If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
> we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.

Wrong.

It's "free trade" agreements like NAFTA that have destroyed America.
We continue to sign more of them.

Ross Perot had it right:

http://youtu.be/Rkgx1C_S6ls

A website devoted to explaining what "free trade" had done to this
country:

http://economyincrisis.org/

Per Billy:
>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?

"The best government that money can buy...".

Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
Their head of state is a physicist. I have a hard time imagining
a physicist getting elected in the USA. In fact, the guys who
run our show apparently think the likes of Sarah Palin is
appealing to a significant portion of our populace.

In that context, there's really no hope: politicians can't be
blamed. They just want to get elected - and if they don't pander
to the ignorance of the populace, they won't get elected and the
guy next to them who does will...

Even funnier: half my family are born-and-raised Germans living
in Germany.

They enjoy coming to the USA to visit, but it's kind of like a
third-world country to them: they can buy cheap goods, the
customs of the natives are interesting.... but the infrastructure
is falling apart, nobody seems to get any significant amount of
vacation (they all get 6-8 weeks minimum), health care seems
iffy. In short, it's no place they would want to spend *too*
much time in.

Yeah... the USA has plenty of Germans who came here, became
naturalized, and love the place.... but my German relatives' view
suggests that some of those "European Socialist States" that
those on the far-right go on about might not be quite as bad as
they think.

Why don't I go and live in Germany? Simple: too many Germans.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
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> Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
> sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]

Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

On 5/21/2012 11:44 PM, Billy wrote:
> In >,
> "Tom $herman "> wrote:
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>> On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
>>> [...]
>> > Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
>>> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
>>> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
>>> sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
>>
>> Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
>
> Antisemite, no. Antizionist, yes. I like a 1 state solution with Jews,
> Christians, Muslims, and anyone else who may want to join.
>

Antisemite - Noun: Anyone the Zionists do not like.

Not that I agree, just telling it as it is.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

Per Billy:
>and Germany is a very nice place to be (if you don't need too
>much sun).

OTOH, eight weeks of vacation per year might help make up any sun
deficit.... -)
--
Pete Cresswell

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> wrote:

>On May 21, 7:02*am, Dave Head > wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
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>> > wrote:
>> >On May 17, 2:30*pm, Tracey12 > wrote:
>> >> On May 17, 3:14*pm, "Eddie Haskell" > wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
>>
>> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...f-births-minor...
>>
>> >> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> >> We already have the African president from Kenya.
>>
>> >> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
>> >> south of our border.
>>
>> >Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
>> >who can effectively kiss the
>> >most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
>> >word "democracy" as an
>> >operating obscenity.
>>
>> We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. *It is the income taxes
>> that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
>> the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
>> workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
>> If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
>> much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
>> tax money simply paying the interest on it. *Soon the interest on the
>> national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
>> surpass it. *If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
>> we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
>
>Wrong.
>
>It's "free trade" agreements like NAFTA that have destroyed America.
>We continue to sign more of them.
>
>Ross Perot had it right:
>
>http://youtu.be/Rkgx1C_S6ls
>
>A website devoted to explaining what "free trade" had done to this
>country:
>
>http://economyincrisis.org/

Hell, the free trade agreements would be a GOOD thing if we would just
get rid of the America-raping income taxes.

With US businesses paying the highest income tax rate on the planet,
they cannot manufacture here and compete with the rest of the world
that not only has lower wages, but also lower corporate income taxes.

Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
new, best world tax shelter.

There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
balance the budget.

Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.

On Thu, 31 May 2012 22:57:42 -0700, Billy >
wrote:
>Then you look at Germany, as I said before. They have strong unions,

Yep.

>high wages,

So what? 41% of what they make goes to payroll taxes to pay for their
healthcare and other gov't services. Their take-home pay still sucks.

>an they don't ship their jobs overseas.

Yes they do. They ship them here, where they can pay their workers
less than half what they pay them at home. German auto workers: $66 /
hr at home, about $27 / hr here.

>If Germany can do
>it, why can't our politicians make it happen here?

Because of our income taxes.


>Hint: We have the best government that money can buy.

And we have the income taxes raping the USA.

>> Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
>> the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
>> to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
>> manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
>> new, best world tax shelter.
>>
>> There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
>> could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
>> Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
>> a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
>> help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
>> by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
>> balance the budget.
>>
>> Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
>
>I got an idea. If we were all put to work, and were paid more, we could
>buy more products and make corporations rich. Win/Win.

Yep, and that could happen if we took the income tax rates to zero,
since manufacturing here would be profitable again.

OBTW, all those things about corporations not paying taxes are lies.
Whenever they don't pay any taxes to the US Gov't, they instead pay
those taxes to the army of lawyers and accountants that they use to do
everything exactly right all year in order to pay the absolute lowest
amount of tax to the US Gov't that they legally can. In lots of
cases, it turns out to be nearly as much as the tax itself.

Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
- just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.

Taxing corporations is like taxing your tools - tax your hammer, and
your hammer is less valuable to you, and you live less well because
your hammer is costing you money. Its like that with taxing
corporations - it only hurts US!

On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:17 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" >
wrote:

>Per Billy:
>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>
>"The best government that money can buy...".
>
>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
>Their head of state is a physicist.

Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
memory - Jimmy Carter.

"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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> Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
> money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
> employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
> CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
> mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
> taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
> paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
> - just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.
>

If the above were true, then it could also be said that NOBODY pays any
taxes.