Remote start for standard transmission?

Chas Hurst wrote:
> "tooloud" > wrote in message
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>> Unless your car normally *would* start in park, there's nothing to
>> verify. The car won't let it start. That said, the first step to
>> installing a remote starter in a car with a manual transmission
>> reads "disable clutch interlock", which now means there's nothing to
>> stop the car from being started in gear.
>> tooloud
>
> There is no need to disable the clutch interlock switch. Are you
> quoting some particular instructions or talking out your butt?

You're implying it's possible to start a vehicle with a manual transmission
without depressing the clutch or bypassing the clutch switch. One way or
another, you're bypassing the system.

FWIW, I think most people understand that I wasn't saying that *literally*,
the first step to this [idiotic--really effing idiotic] process isn't
*literally* "1) Disable clutch interlock". I'm sure there are some other
instructions in there first, like "stick in a chaw" or "have another beer
while you contemplate what happens if the car is left in gear".

Anyway, there's no reason to disable anything in any case, as no responsible
company builds remote starters intended for use with manual transmissions.

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"tooloud" > wrote in message
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> Chas Hurst wrote:
> > "tooloud" > wrote in message
> > news:Or%uf.465382$084.214447@attbi_s22...
> >> Unless your car normally *would* start in park, there's nothing to
> >> verify. The car won't let it start. That said, the first step to
> >> installing a remote starter in a car with a manual transmission
> >> reads "disable clutch interlock", which now means there's nothing to
> >> stop the car from being started in gear.
> >> tooloud
> >
> > There is no need to disable the clutch interlock switch. Are you
> > quoting some particular instructions or talking out your butt?
>
> You're implying it's possible to start a vehicle with a manual
transmission
> without depressing the clutch or bypassing the clutch switch. One way or
> another, you're bypassing the system.

Now you've substituted "bypassing the system" for "disable clutch
interlock".
You sir are a quack.

>
> FWIW, I think most people understand that I wasn't saying that
*literally*,
> the first step to this [idiotic--really effing idiotic] process isn't
> *literally* "1) Disable clutch interlock". I'm sure there are some other
> instructions in there first, like "stick in a chaw" or "have another beer
> while you contemplate what happens if the car is left in gear".

I think most people think you're talking out your butt.

> Anyway, there's no reason to disable anything in any case, as no
responsible
> company builds remote starters intended for use with manual transmissions.

I never claimed they did. But you did by stating that the instructions'
first step is to "disable clutch interlock", which would only apply to car
with standard trans.

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Chas Hurst wrote:
> "tooloud" > wrote in message
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>> Chas Hurst wrote:
>>> "tooloud" > wrote in message
>>> news:Or%uf.465382$084.214447@attbi_s22...
>>>> Unless your car normally *would* start in park, there's nothing to
>>>> verify. The car won't let it start. That said, the first step to
>>>> installing a remote starter in a car with a manual transmission
>>>> reads "disable clutch interlock", which now means there's nothing
>>>> to stop the car from being started in gear.
>>>> tooloud
>>>
>>> There is no need to disable the clutch interlock switch. Are you
>>> quoting some particular instructions or talking out your butt?
>>
>> You're implying it's possible to start a vehicle with a manual
>> transmission without depressing the clutch or bypassing the clutch
>> switch. One way or another, you're bypassing the system.
>
> Now you've substituted "bypassing the system" for "disable clutch
> interlock".
> You sir are a quack.

It doesn't matter whether you take it or make your system ignore the fact
that it's there. Either way, you're finding a way around the switch doing
its job. Bypassing the system IS "disabling the switch" in the real sense
that if you're attempting to start the car without using the switch, you've
disabled the system because you're not letting it do its job.

>> FWIW, I think most people understand that I wasn't saying that
>> *literally*, the first step to this [idiotic--really effing idiotic]
>> process isn't *literally* "1) Disable clutch interlock". I'm sure
>> there are some other instructions in there first, like "stick in a
>> chaw" or "have another beer while you contemplate what happens if
>> the car is left in gear".
>
> I think most people think you're talking out your butt.

I think most people think any discussion encouraging ways to install remote
starters on stick-shift cars is stupid. I also think that you believe you're
being very clever. I get the impression that you're scanning my post for
spelling mistakes to *really* get me.

>> Anyway, there's no reason to disable anything in any case, as no
>> responsible company builds remote starters intended for use with
>> manual transmissions.
>
> I never claimed they did. But you did by stating that the
> instructions' first step is to "disable clutch interlock", which
> would only apply to car with standard trans.

If you haven't noticed, that's exactly the topic at hand. Just to play your
game for a moment, let's point out that you're attempting to explain to me
what the first line of the instruction manual of a non-existent device
reads.

Let's also call it a moot point since the warning directly above the first
line is "Not intended for use in cars with manual transmissions."

....and for God's sake, if you want to argue about things in the future,
please come to the table with a case slightly more thought out than the
simple semantics of the words "bypass" and "disable" and not waste each
other's time.

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the OP has perhaps long since regretted asking his question here...

the answer to his question is YES, in all likelyhood, the Miata with manual
transmission does have a neutral switch !

I installed a remote start for my son on his '93 MX6 5speed. The Haynes
manual showed a low-true signal going from the tranny to the PCM. After I
found this wire, I used this signal to pick a relay which I connected in
parallel with the clutch interlock switch. The remote start unit I
installed had a 12V output intended to light the parking lights when
activated. I used that signal to power the relay.

The result was that the added relay would bypass the clutch interlock switch
only when the remote start was activated, and only when the tranny was in
neutral.

I have checked my Haynes manual for the 90-97 Miata... while it is not clear
for the 90-93, the wiring diagrams for the 94-97 indicate the presence of a
neutral switch on the 5 speed model. Since I don't drive my Miata in the
winter, I have not installed a remote start on it, so haven't tried to find
this wire.

Pete

> "Grant Edwards" > wrote in message
> ...

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>>
>> Do Miata's have a neutral-switch that could be used for such an
>> interlock?
>>
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On 2006-01-08, Pete <pbreemhaar> wrote:

> the OP has perhaps long since regretted asking his question
> here...



> the answer to his question is YES, in all likelyhood, the
> Miata with manual transmission does have a neutral switch !
>
> I installed a remote start for my son on his '93 MX6 5speed.
> The Haynes manual showed a low-true signal going from the
> tranny to the PCM. After I found this wire, I used this
> signal to pick a relay which I connected in parallel with the
> clutch interlock switch. The remote start unit I installed
> had a 12V output intended to light the parking lights when
> activated. I used that signal to power the relay.

Finally!

> The result was that the added relay would bypass the clutch
> interlock switch only when the remote start was activated, and
> only when the tranny was in neutral.

Sounds like exactly what I was proposing before everybody
jumped in calling me stupid, insane, lazy, and various other
things. Judging by the level of venom displayed by some in the
group when presented with my idea, your remote-start
installation surely must have killed thousands of people by
now?

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sadly, the only death was that of the remote start unit itself... it
recently ceased functioning after about five years, and since the car
itself is also near death with almost 400,000 km on it, we'll not bother to
replace it.

FWIW, the remote start unit we used came from COSTCO, cost about $70 Cdn.

Pete


"Grant Edwards" > wrote in message
...

> Sounds like exactly what I was proposing before everybody
> jumped in calling me stupid, insane, lazy, and various other
> things. Judging by the level of venom displayed by some in the
> group when presented with my idea, your remote-start
> installation surely must have killed thousands of people by
> now?
>
> --
> Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... I think I'm
> at having an overnight
> visi.com sensation right now!!

Grant Edwards wrote:

> Sounds like exactly what I was proposing before everybody
> jumped in calling me stupid, insane, lazy, and various other
> things.

Hey now, that wasn't "everybody" saying those things.

I was one of the people who said that I saw no big deal in disabling the
clutch switch, and in fact, it is something that should be done with the
high-performance clutches.

It only took 50-something posts to get the actual answer that you were
looking for! ;-)

Pat

Pete wrote:
> sadly, the only death was that of the remote start unit itself... it
> recently ceased functioning after about five years, and since the car
> itself is also near death with almost 400,000 km on it, we'll not bother to
> replace it.
>
> FWIW, the remote start unit we used came from COSTCO, cost about $70 Cdn.
>
> Pete

One factor that hasn't been mentioned is the possibilty of any remote
starter system becoming activated accidentally when the car is parked in
an attached garage.

I don't have the numbers on hand, but it is a fairly large number of
people that are killed every year by cars left running in the garage. In
one case, the father started his car, saw that it was snowing, and took
the jeep without remembering to shut off his car. He returned home to
find his family dead from carbon monoxide poisoning.
If the car had a remote start installed, and it was accidentally started
without hearing the car, the results would be the same.

This danger alone, however remote, makes me want to be at the car with
the key to be the only way for it to start.

I know that a car parked in a garage does not need a remote start, but
people move and a car that was once parked only outside may end up being
parked in the garage with the remote start system still equipped.

Pat

a valid point, Pat...

in fact, a few years ago when my son was temporarily living at home, he was
lucky enough to have a spot for his car in our garage. On one occasion, I
went into the garage to find his car sitting there idling... son was
elsewhere in the house, keychain in his pants pocket, and had inadvertantly
activated the remote start.
the remote start unit we had installed (and others we had looked at) had a
time-out feature... after 15 minutes, the remote start would automatically
cancel, and the car would stop running.

certainly a feature to look for when shopping for a remote start unit.

Pete

"pws" > wrote in message
...
>
> One factor that hasn't been mentioned is the possibilty of any remote
> starter system becoming activated accidentally when the car is parked in
> an attached garage.
>
> I don't have the numbers on hand, but it is a fairly large number of
> people that are killed every year by cars left running in the garage. In
> one case, the father started his car, saw that it was snowing, and took
> the jeep without remembering to shut off his car. He returned home to find
> his family dead from carbon monoxide poisoning.
> If the car had a remote start installed, and it was accidentally started
> without hearing the car, the results would be the same.
>
> This danger alone, however remote, makes me want to be at the car with the
> key to be the only way for it to start.
>
> I know that a car parked in a garage does not need a remote start, but
> people move and a car that was once parked only outside may end up being
> parked in the garage with the remote start system still equipped.
>
> Pat
>

On 2006-01-09, pws > wrote:

>> Sounds like exactly what I was proposing before everybody
>> jumped in calling me stupid, insane, lazy, and various other
>> things.
>
> Hey now, that wasn't "everybody" saying those things.

That's true. I was exaggertating.

> I was one of the people who said that I saw no big deal in
> disabling the clutch switch, and in fact, it is something that
> should be done with the high-performance clutches.
>
> It only took 50-something posts to get the actual answer that
> you were looking for! ;-)

Well, this is Usenet...

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