Paying for new parts that aren't used

Dick C wrote:
>
> Joey Tribiani wrote in rec.autos.misc
>
> > On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:11:21 -0600, Dick C >
> > ran around screaming and yelling:
> >
> >>So what? The problem is the mechanic's, not the customer's. The
> >>mechanic installed the stuff on an engine that had a problem. The
> >>customer should not have to pay for parts the mechanic mistakenly
> >>installed.
> >
> >
> > there was no "mistake" installing those parts, they are common parts
> > that go bad and cause the symptoms...they are also standard on the
> > troubleshooting order...you can't find unknowns untill you start to
> > eliminate the obvious....
>
> That may be, but assuming that the OP said the standard things when he
> took the car in, he asked for the car to be fixed. Even if he didn't, the
> mechanic still installed parts that were not needed to fix the problem.
> The customer should not be forced to pay for repairs and parts that were
> not needed to fix the problem.
>
> --
> Dick #1349

LOL

Man what dream world are you living in?

You can't really be serious can you?

The parts 'were' needed to troubleshoot the engine.

The fact that the OP didn't want to continue fixing the engine sure
isn't the mechanic's fault.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

In my opinion, a car with a dead miss is something I like to get to
the bottom of first, in other words, properly diagnose to begin with.
Sounds like he looked around, threw a set of wires at it, a rotor,
then when that didn't work, diagnosed the problem. Shoulda spent an
extra five minuits & found the burnt valve first, thereby saving you
buying parts you didn't need. If your gonna scrap it anyway, a good
arguer would pay for the diagnosis & NO parts, especially if he didn't
have prior approval from you to replace them. Good luck.

Sounds like you need to go to troubleshooting school!

Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:11:21 -0600, Dick C >
> ran around screaming and yelling:
>
> >So what? The problem is the mechanic's, not the customer's. The
> >mechanic installed the stuff on an engine that had a problem. The
> >customer should not have to pay for parts the mechanic mistakenly
> >installed.
>
>
> there was no "mistake" installing those parts, they are common parts
> that go bad and cause the symptoms...they are also standard on the
> troubleshooting order...you can't find unknowns untill you start to
> eliminate the obvious....
> JT

How do you know he asked for it for free?

How do you know he wasn't charged by the clock hours?

When troubleshooting a miss you firts:

do a compression check to rule out the obvious.

If the compression is weak, you do a leakdown test to see where the
compression is leaking too.

Then you did a diagnosis!

Changing the plugs, cap, rotor and wires makes you a glorafied parts
changer!

Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:38:33 -0600, Dick C >
> ran around screaming and yelling:
>
> >The customer should not be forced to pay for repairs and parts that were
> >not needed to fix the problem.
>
>
> and the customer should not expect troubleshooting and work for
> free....these kinds of "disputes" are ignorant...if you don't want to
> have it done by a "pro" then do it yourself...
> JT

Roughly 4/2/04 17:31, Refinish King's monkeys randomly typed:

> A real mechanic would have:
>
> 1: Did the necessary tests before purchasing any parts.

And probably suggested that none of this testing is free and the
testing may take more time than simply replacing some of the
more common parts causing the symptoms given by the owner.

And asked the owner if they wanted to gamble that these typical
quick fix parts would be the fix or not... or if the owner would
like to pay for the labor to run full compression, leak tests,
etc. just to find out it was an ignition system that hadn't been
touched since the car was new.


--
Evolution is really just survival of the minimally adequate

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:24:50 -0500, "Refinish King"
> ran around screaming and
yelling:

>Sounds like you need to go to troubleshooting school!
>
>Refinish King


I have been troubleshooting for years....so no need for school...some
people have never had to spend alot of time tracking down a sparkplug
that according to all tests is firing fine...pull it out, ground
it...spark spark spark....hook a plug tester to it while engine
running, flash flash flash....damn, plug is good...lets do a
compression test....****, compression is great...leakdown test...nah,
no need the compression is within 3% of "new"...okay if the tester is
showing the plug is firing then the wire is okay...hmm....replace plug
"just because"....damn thing is fixed...wierd huh? funny how all
"tests" for a sparkplug show "good" even if it is shorting to ground
INSIDE the plug...replace cheap parts to eliminate them....and as i
have stated if the owner has no frigging idea the last time it was
tuned up, it is ****ing rediculous to spend the time "troubleshooting"
tune up parts...only a *MORON* would test them when they are past due
to be replaced....but thanks for your "expert" opinion...it means the
world to me...
JT

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:28:18 -0500, "Refinish King"
> ran around screaming and
yelling:

>How do you know he asked for it for free?
>
>How do you know he wasn't charged by the clock hours?
>
>When troubleshooting a miss you firts:
>
>do a compression check to rule out the obvious.
>
>If the compression is weak, you do a leakdown test to see where the
>compression is leaking too.
>
>Then you did a diagnosis!
>
>Changing the plugs, cap, rotor and wires makes you a glorafied parts
>changer!
>
>Refinish King

wow...you are ignorant....do a compression check before a tuneup when
it may have been 50k since a ****ing plug was changed? five hours
troubleshooting is way more expensive than a set of plugs and
wires...(BTW the "firts" test for a miss is *not* a compression
check..it is a plug/wire/cap/rotor/coil check...you check externals
before moving internal...even a shadetree knows that...why would you
pull a plug to do a compression or leakdown and not test the plug?
what are you a jackleg?)
JT

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:45:49 GMT, "L0nD0t.$t0we11"
> ran around screaming and yelling:

>> A real mechanic would have:
>>
>> 1: Did the necessary tests before purchasing any parts.
>
> And probably suggested that none of this testing is free and the
> testing may take more time than simply replacing some of the
> more common parts causing the symptoms given by the owner.
>
> And asked the owner if they wanted to gamble that these typical
> quick fix parts would be the fix or not... or if the owner would
> like to pay for the labor to run full compression, leak tests,
> etc. just to find out it was an ignition system that hadn't been
> touched since the car was new.


you will confuse all the dimwits with common sense...please refrain
from using common sense...<G>
JT

WOW!

You're a ****ing MORON!

How sophmoric picking on a typo?

Are you a technician, or someone who hung on daddies dick, when he changed
the oil and greased your ass?

If it had a miss, and anyone that knows what they are doing, can look at a
plug (This is called a plug reading) little girl! Can tell by the condition
of the plug that there was a miss by a lack of spark, or a lack of
compression.

If it takes you 5 hours to do a compression test and a leakdown test, I
think the severe childhood trauma rehabilititation program you were in,
released you way too soon. Carefully asses someone's post before you call
them arrogant, I'm not Frence you flatulating sphincter.

Also, it would serve you well to not pick at typos, because it shows the
mental midget creton you are. Because when you make them. Someone might
decide to point them out to you, unless you take the time to spell check
each post before posting it. Unless daddy is still greasing you and behind
you porking you and checking your spelling?

Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:28:18 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > ran around screaming and
> yelling:
>
> >How do you know he asked for it for free?
> >
> >How do you know he wasn't charged by the clock hours?
> >
> >When troubleshooting a miss you firts:
> >
> >do a compression check to rule out the obvious.
> >
> >If the compression is weak, you do a leakdown test to see where the
> >compression is leaking too.
> >
> >Then you did a diagnosis!
> >
> >Changing the plugs, cap, rotor and wires makes you a glorafied parts
> >changer!
> >
> >Refinish King
>
> wow...you are ignorant....do a compression check before a tuneup when
> it may have been 50k since a ****ing plug was changed? five hours
> troubleshooting is way more expensive than a set of plugs and
> wires...(BTW the "firts" test for a miss is *not* a compression
> check..it is a plug/wire/cap/rotor/coil check...you check externals
> before moving internal...even a shadetree knows that...why would you
> pull a plug to do a compression or leakdown and not test the plug?
> what are you a jackleg?)
> JT
>

I guess that you moved out of your glass house then! You told me not long
ago my grammar was terrible. I guess that's because you couldn't pick at my
facts of the post I had made.
Practice what you preach, or better yet quit preaching and spewing
obscenities at everyone.
Grow up.

nospam


"Refinish King" > wrote in
message news
> WOW!
>
> You're a ****ing MORON!
>
> How sophmoric picking on a typo?
>
> Are you a technician, or someone who hung on daddies dick, when he changed
> the oil and greased your ass?
>
> If it had a miss, and anyone that knows what they are doing, can look at a
> plug (This is called a plug reading) little girl! Can tell by the
condition
> of the plug that there was a miss by a lack of spark, or a lack of
> compression.
>
> If it takes you 5 hours to do a compression test and a leakdown test, I
> think the severe childhood trauma rehabilititation program you were in,
> released you way too soon. Carefully asses someone's post before you call
> them arrogant, I'm not Frence you flatulating sphincter.
>
> Also, it would serve you well to not pick at typos, because it shows the
> mental midget creton you are. Because when you make them. Someone might
> decide to point them out to you, unless you take the time to spell check
> each post before posting it. Unless daddy is still greasing you and behind
> you porking you and checking your spelling?
>
> Refinish King
>
>
> "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:28:18 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > > ran around screaming and
> > yelling:
> >
> > >How do you know he asked for it for free?
> > >
> > >How do you know he wasn't charged by the clock hours?
> > >
> > >When troubleshooting a miss you firts:
> > >
> > >do a compression check to rule out the obvious.
> > >
> > >If the compression is weak, you do a leakdown test to see where the
> > >compression is leaking too.
> > >
> > >Then you did a diagnosis!
> > >
> > >Changing the plugs, cap, rotor and wires makes you a glorafied parts
> > >changer!
> > >
> > >Refinish King
> >
> > wow...you are ignorant....do a compression check before a tuneup when
> > it may have been 50k since a ****ing plug was changed? five hours
> > troubleshooting is way more expensive than a set of plugs and
> > wires...(BTW the "firts" test for a miss is *not* a compression
> > check..it is a plug/wire/cap/rotor/coil check...you check externals
> > before moving internal...even a shadetree knows that...why would you
> > pull a plug to do a compression or leakdown and not test the plug?
> > what are you a jackleg?)
> > JT
> >
>
>
>