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b-16a engine thermostat
is this the same as the D16 thermostat?
(engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm once in a while) thanks |
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b-16a engine thermostat
z wrote:
> is this the same as the D16 thermostat? > (engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are > freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm > once in a while) > thanks ------------------------ Diagrams and part numbers are at www.slhondaparts.com Be sure to top up the reservoir after any work is performed on the cooling system, per the manual. 'Curly' |
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b-16a engine thermostat
z wrote:
> is this the same as the D16 thermostat? > (engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are > freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm > once in a while) > thanks look for parts numbers online. since the b16 is a higher performance motor, i would expect it to be different. |
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b-16a engine thermostat
On Dec 6, 7:33 pm, motsco_ > wrote:
> z wrote: > > is this the same as the D16 thermostat? > > (engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are > > freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm > > once in a while) > > thanks > > ------------------------ > > Diagrams and part numbers are atwww.slhondaparts.com > > Be sure to top up the reservoir after any work is performed on the > cooling system, per the manual. > > 'Curly' Grr. Clicking on the delsol/b16/engine/thermostat gets me to a 'we don't got none' page. Whereas clicking on the D16 thermostat, they do have. so it's not only different, I have to start looking. Although..... when I start it cold and it's idling and I open the radiator cap, there doesn't seem to be any movement of coolant, whereas when I do so and it's warm i can see the coolant move, so maybe it's not the thermostat? ???? It barely gets off the peg with a half hour of highway driving in the winter; as soon as I get onto city streets it gets right up to normal, though. Makes me think it has to be the thermostat. Doesn't exactly heat up super quick in the summer, either, but at least it does after a couple of miles, right up to normal. The thing is, I had similar troubles with the D16 before I swapped it out; went through 2 new thermostats without improving things. not quite as bad, on the highway the temp went at least halfway up to normal in the winter. What the hell? Could there be a secret radiator I don't know about that bypasses the thermostat? Is this an experimental air cooled Honda I got by accident? AAAGGHH! |
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b-16a engine thermostat
z > wrote in news:667d52a3-f8b7-45cd-b510-
: > > Grr. Clicking on the delsol/b16/engine/thermostat gets me to a 'we > don't got none' page. Whereas clicking on the D16 thermostat, they do > have. so it's not only different, I have to start looking. See my other message. > > Although..... when I start it cold and it's idling and I open the > radiator cap, there doesn't seem to be any movement of coolant, > whereas when I do so and it's warm i can see the coolant move, so > maybe it's not the thermostat? ???? > > It barely gets off the peg with a half hour of highway driving in the > winter; as soon as I get onto city streets it gets right up to normal, > though. Makes me think it has to be the thermostat. Doesn't exactly > heat up super quick in the summer, either, but at least it does after > a couple of miles, right up to normal. > > The thing is, I had similar troubles with the D16 before I swapped it > out; went through 2 new thermostats without improving things. not > quite as bad, on the highway the temp went at least halfway up to > normal in the winter. What the hell? Could there be a secret radiator > I don't know about that bypasses the thermostat? Is this an > experimental air cooled Honda I got by accident? AAAGGHH! I posted another message before reading this one. Now I'm thinking you need to make certain the car is actually heating up properly. You need to have somebody point an infra-red thermometer at the rad after a half-hour's highway drive. If the problem persisted through two engines, the either both engines had bad thermostats or there's something wrong with a sender or gauge. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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b-16a engine thermostat
z wrote:
> On Dec 6, 7:33 pm, motsco_ > wrote: >> z wrote: >>> is this the same as the D16 thermostat? >>> (engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are >>> freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm >>> once in a while) >>> thanks >> ------------------------ >> >> Diagrams and part numbers are atwww.slhondaparts.com >> >> Be sure to top up the reservoir after any work is performed on the >> cooling system, per the manual. >> >> 'Curly' > > Grr. Clicking on the delsol/b16/engine/thermostat gets me to a 'we > don't got none' page. Whereas clicking on the D16 thermostat, they do > have. so it's not only different, I have to start looking. > > Although..... when I start it cold and it's idling and I open the > radiator cap, there doesn't seem to be any movement of coolant, > whereas when I do so and it's warm i can see the coolant move, so > maybe it's not the thermostat? ???? > > It barely gets off the peg with a half hour of highway driving in the > winter; as soon as I get onto city streets it gets right up to normal, > though. Makes me think it has to be the thermostat. Doesn't exactly > heat up super quick in the summer, either, but at least it does after > a couple of miles, right up to normal. > > The thing is, I had similar troubles with the D16 before I swapped it > out; went through 2 new thermostats without improving things. not > quite as bad, on the highway the temp went at least halfway up to > normal in the winter. What the hell? Could there be a secret radiator > I don't know about that bypasses the thermostat? Is this an > experimental air cooled Honda I got by accident? AAAGGHH! ---------------------- I think you're describing AIR in your cooling system. Forget the rad cap. How full is your RESERVOIR? It needs to be full to the MAX mark. When the drops tomorrow, fill it up again. Repeat until it stops dropping overnight. 'Curly' |
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b-16a engine thermostat
On Dec 10, 10:04 pm, motsco_ > wrote:
> z wrote: > > On Dec 6, 7:33 pm, motsco_ > wrote: > >> z wrote: > >>> is this the same as the D16 thermostat? > >>> (engine swap into a 92 civic.... it's winter now and my legs are > >>> freezing when I'm on the highway plus I'd like the oil to get warm > >>> once in a while) > >>> thanks > >> ------------------------ > > >> Diagrams and part numbers are atwww.slhondaparts.com > > >> Be sure to top up the reservoir after any work is performed on the > >> cooling system, per the manual. > > >> 'Curly' > > > Grr. Clicking on the delsol/b16/engine/thermostat gets me to a 'we > > don't got none' page. Whereas clicking on the D16 thermostat, they do > > have. so it's not only different, I have to start looking. > > > Although..... when I start it cold and it's idling and I open the > > radiator cap, there doesn't seem to be any movement of coolant, > > whereas when I do so and it's warm i can see the coolant move, so > > maybe it's not the thermostat? ???? > > > It barely gets off the peg with a half hour of highway driving in the > > winter; as soon as I get onto city streets it gets right up to normal, > > though. Makes me think it has to be the thermostat. Doesn't exactly > > heat up super quick in the summer, either, but at least it does after > > a couple of miles, right up to normal. > > > The thing is, I had similar troubles with the D16 before I swapped it > > out; went through 2 new thermostats without improving things. not > > quite as bad, on the highway the temp went at least halfway up to > > normal in the winter. What the hell? Could there be a secret radiator > > I don't know about that bypasses the thermostat? Is this an > > experimental air cooled Honda I got by accident? AAAGGHH! > > ---------------------- > > I think you're describing AIR in your cooling system. Forget the rad > cap. How full is your RESERVOIR? It needs to be full to the MAX mark. > When the drops tomorrow, fill it up again. Repeat until it stops > dropping overnight. Nope, reservoir's full to the max; opening the cap on the radiator it's almost up to the bottom of the neck, which is what I always see on other cars. |
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b-16a engine thermostat
On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, Tegger > wrote:
> z > wrote in news:667d52a3-f8b7-45cd-b510- > : > > > > > Grr. Clicking on the delsol/b16/engine/thermostat gets me to a 'we > > don't got none' page. Whereas clicking on the D16 thermostat, they do > > have. so it's not only different, I have to start looking. > > See my other message. > > > > > > > > > Although..... when I start it cold and it's idling and I open the > > radiator cap, there doesn't seem to be any movement of coolant, > > whereas when I do so and it's warm i can see the coolant move, so > > maybe it's not the thermostat? ???? > > > It barely gets off the peg with a half hour of highway driving in the > > winter; as soon as I get onto city streets it gets right up to normal, > > though. Makes me think it has to be the thermostat. Doesn't exactly > > heat up super quick in the summer, either, but at least it does after > > a couple of miles, right up to normal. > > > The thing is, I had similar troubles with the D16 before I swapped it > > out; went through 2 new thermostats without improving things. not > > quite as bad, on the highway the temp went at least halfway up to > > normal in the winter. What the hell? Could there be a secret radiator > > I don't know about that bypasses the thermostat? Is this an > > experimental air cooled Honda I got by accident? AAAGGHH! > > I posted another message before reading this one. Now I'm thinking you need > to make certain the car is actually heating up properly. You need to have > somebody point an infra-red thermometer at the rad after a half-hour's > highway drive. > > If the problem persisted through two engines, the either both engines had > bad thermostats or there's something wrong with a sender or gauge. > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - well, the whole ungodly story: Car always ran somewhat on the hot side after I got it (one of those "program cars"; last year's model, but never registered, with 1K miles on the clock, not a dealer demo, supposedly just used to run people around the Honda campus up near the airport here) I assumed it was normal, given that silly teeny radiator. Over the years it got hotter to the point I was driving around on hot days in the summer with the heater on. Finally in the infamous summer of 98 it was so bad I replaced the radiator before the motor ungasked. Plain jane aftermarket $200 replacement radiator, indistinguishable from the original. Temp gauge now never went above not quite 9 oclock. boy did I feel silly. Everybody tells me now how efficient honda cooling system is even with teeny radiator. But now, in winter it doesn't rise above 8 oclock. Takes a couple of miles to get warmed up, summer or winter. So i swap the thermostat for one of the hanging on a card on a rack ones in the car parts store. No different. i figure, that's what I get for getting a car parts part, so I swap it for a Honda thermostat. No different. ?? Must be that efficient Honda cooling system. Then, the head gasket expires from the previous overheating anyway, so instead of fixing it in goes the B16. It's got the same "highly efficient" cooling as the D16 did. That was a few years ago, this winter the cooling seems way too efficient on the highway; pull off into the city, and it goes up to normal heat, so it seems like Too Much Cooling Through the Radiator. Which, with a stock radiator, has to be the thermostat? But as I said, I don't see any flow in the radiator with the engine cold. And four different thermostats in two different engines all with the same problem???? |
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b-16a engine thermostat
z > wrote in
: > > well, the whole ungodly story: > Car always ran somewhat on the hot side after I got it (one of those > "program cars"; last year's model, but never registered, with 1K miles > on the clock, not a dealer demo, supposedly just used to run people > around the Honda campus up near the airport here) I assumed it was > normal, given that silly teeny radiator. That silly teeny rad is amazingly efficient...provided the rest of the system is up to snuff. Gone are the days when you needed a billboard-sized rad in front of your engine, two water pumps and five gallons of coolant. > Over the years it got hotter > to the point I was driving around on hot days in the summer with the > heater on. Finally in the infamous summer of 98 it was so bad I > replaced the radiator before the motor ungasked. Plain jane > aftermarket $200 replacement radiator, indistinguishable from the > original. Temp gauge now never went above not quite 9 oclock. boy did > I feel silly. Everybody tells me now how efficient honda cooling > system is even with teeny radiator. But now, in winter it doesn't rise > above 8 oclock. That sounds normal, actually. The gauge should never get to half-way. > Takes a couple of miles to get warmed up, summer or > winter. That's normal too. It should be warmed up within five minutes of driving at 50F, ten if around freezing. > So i swap the thermostat for one of the hanging on a card on a > rack ones in the car parts store. No different. i figure, that's what > I get for getting a car parts part, so I swap it for a Honda > thermostat. No different. ?? Must be that efficient Honda cooling > system. > Then, the head gasket expires from the previous overheating anyway, so > instead of fixing it in goes the B16. It's got the same "highly > efficient" cooling as the D16 did. That was a few years ago, this > winter the cooling seems way too efficient on the highway; pull off > into the city, and it goes up to normal heat, Exactly where on the gauge is "too efficient" and where on the gauge is "normal"? > so it seems like Too > Much Cooling Through the Radiator. Which, with a stock radiator, has > to be the thermostat? The only ways the engine could overcool are these: 1) poor combustion, or low compression; 2) thermostat opening too far, too soon; 3) dash gauge is incorrect; 4) driver misinterpreting cooling system behavior. > But as I said, I don't see any flow in the > radiator with the engine cold. And four different thermostats in two > different engines all with the same problem???? I think the problem here may partially be your perception of the gauge's behavior. If it gets up to eight o'clock, that's correct. The cooling system consists of a number of parts, only two of which are the rad and thermostat. ALL those parts need to be singing in harmony before your engine runs at the right temperature. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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