Obamacare Ruled Unconstitutional

<Deep Dudu> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 05:52:30 -0800 (PST), Grendel
> > wrote:
>
>>On Jan 31, 9:08 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:
>>> So the states can make you buy car insurance but the feds can't make
>>> you buy health insurance?
>>
>>You are not forced to buy car insurance. But it is required IF you
>>want to legally enjoy the privilige of driving on public roads (don't
>>need it on your private property).
>>
>>So, car insurance is not a mandate, but a requirement in order to do
>>something.
>
> So health insurance should be a requirement to get medical care.
>
> See how simple?


Except the federal govrnment isnt allowed to regulate commerce .
>
>>
>>Just as you must carry liability insurance if you own a business. Not
>>needed if you don't own a business.
>>
>>There was no opt-out of the Obamacare Mandate (unless, of course,
>>you're one of the 700+ Obama donators or Labor Unions that received
>>waivers).
>
> The system would not work if healthy and/or irresponsible people chose
> to not pay for insurance until they suddenly get sick or hurt then
> demand medical care. Obviously
>
>>
>>Yol Bolsun,
>>Grendel.
>>
>>"I'm not cynical, just experienced."

"Jerry Okamura" > wrote in message
...
> What in these two examples are similar? The answer is, the government can
> "try" to force you to do things, but they cannot make you do things you do
> not want to do. The second thing is, the government tries to force you to
> buy auto insurance, only "if" you own a car. There are a lot of people
> who have drivers licenses, who do not own a car, and therefore are not
> required to buy auto insurance. So, you examples is one of those apples
> and oranges, arguments. But there is bigger issues to be concerned about.
> One is, the cost of that insurance. In the auto insurance example you
> gave, the cost of auto insurance does not increase in cost....it stays
> basically at the same level every year. Health insurance on the other
> hand, increases every year, and will double in cost in a very short period
> of time. That means, that it is unsustainable. People don't pay for auto
> insurance because they do not think they can afford to make the payments,
> the same applies in spades with health insurance, which WILL cost more
> every year. If people cannot afford to pay for auto insurance when the
> cost of that insurance is not increasing, how can people afford to pay for
> health insurance which will increase in cost every year? Then there is a
> matter of what is best for the "people". Are you better off depending on
> someone else to pay for your healthcare needs, or are you better off,
> being able to pay for your own healthcare needs? When you depend on
> someone else to pay for anything you want or need, you gave them the right
> to either pay or not to pay. Then there is the small matter of individual
> freedom. When the government "forces" people to do anything, the price
> that is paid is a loss of freedom.
>
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS" wrote in message
> ...
>
> So the states can make you buy car insurance but the feds can't make
> you buy health insurance?

YEA. ****ERS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD .THE GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY REGULATE
COMMERCE WITH FOREIGN COUNTRIES.


>

The general welfare clause is not a carte blache authority for government to
create federal programs and raise money through taxes to pay for them
because of a perceived need or desire by the people or politicians. The
argument put forth by the Federalists (see Federalist 41) was that the
"general Welfare" only pertained to those functions clearly and specifically
listed in Article I.



The General Welfare clause in Article I Section 8
is an introduction to the enumerated powers that follow
and not itself a grant of power.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imports and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States; [Altered by Amendment XVI "Income
tax".]

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and
with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the
subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current
Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective
Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and
Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall
be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the
Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular
States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of
the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased
by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be,
for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other
needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
Officer thereof.



"This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers.
The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it, would
seem too apparent, to have required to be enforced by all those arguments,
which its enlightened friends, while it was depending before the people,
found it necessary to urge; that principle is now universally admitted.



Of course, we continue to recognize that the States occupy a special and
specific position in our constitutional system and that the scope of
Congress' authority under the Commerce Clause must reflect that position.
But the principal and basic limit on the federal commerce power is that
inherent in all congressional action-the built-in restraints that our system
provides through state participation in federal governmental action. The
political process ensures that laws that unduly burden the States will not
be promulgated.



The bottom line is . The federal govrnment is not allowed to affect
commerce across state lines. healthcare is off limits.


>
>>
>>> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
>>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
>>> or
>>> to the people."
>>
>>Right.
>>

"DogDiesel" > wrote in message
...
>
> <Deep Dudu> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 05:52:30 -0800 (PST), Grendel
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 31, 9:08 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:
>>>> So the states can make you buy car insurance but the feds can't make
>>>> you buy health insurance?
>>>
>>>You are not forced to buy car insurance. But it is required IF you
>>>want to legally enjoy the privilige of driving on public roads (don't
>>>need it on your private property).
>>>
>>>So, car insurance is not a mandate, but a requirement in order to do
>>>something.
>>
>> So health insurance should be a requirement to get medical care.
>>
>> See how simple?
>
>
> Except the federal govrnment isnt allowed to regulate commerce .
>>
>>>
>>>Just as you must carry liability insurance if you own a business. Not
>>>needed if you don't own a business.
>>>
>>>There was no opt-out of the Obamacare Mandate (unless, of course,
>>>you're one of the 700+ Obama donators or Labor Unions that received
>>>waivers).
>>
>> The system would not work if healthy and/or irresponsible people chose
>> to not pay for insurance until they suddenly get sick or hurt then
>> demand medical care. Obviously
>>
>>>
> And what is your point. Congress isnt allowed to regulate commerce
> across state lines. healthcare is dead.

next time get the states to do it.

better yet vote for an American for President.

On Feb 1, 6:33*am, Ken > wrote

> > > --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/
>
> * * * * Don't you think the term "Murder" is a little too severe? *Murder is
> "malicious or premeditated killing" of a person.

Read up on the laura bush killing of her boy friend and you will see
that it likely was murder. At the very least it was manslaught but
not a damn thing was done to her!!! No way to justify that. The
authorities were bought off, as usually happens with rich white kids.

On Jan 31, 10:08*pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:

> So the states can make you buy car insurance but *the feds can't make
> you buy health insurance?

Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion. You have
NO choice. And, from what I hear, leftists used to be pro-choice.

Rick Saunders > wrote:
>On Jan 31, 10:08*pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:
>
>> So the states can make you buy car insurance but *the feds can't make
>> you buy health insurance?
>
>Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
>you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
>ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion.

Yes there is, rightard. Stop lying.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

On 09 Feb 2011 06:39:03 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>Rick Saunders > wrote:
>>On Jan 31, 10:08*pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:
>>
>>> So the states can make you buy car insurance but *the feds can't make
>>> you buy health insurance?
>>
>>Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
>>you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
>>ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion.
>
>Yes there is, rightard. Stop lying.

Tell us how ray-ray.


"The US Supreme Court, by definition, is never wrong." (apparently
saying that the Dredd Scott Decision was correct -- watch him squirm
and twist folks...).

Ray Fischer in
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...2?dmode=source

On Feb 9, 1:39*am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> Rick Saunders > wrote:
>
> >On Jan 31, 10:08 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> > wrote:
>
> >> So the states can make you buy car insurance but the feds can't make
> >> you buy health insurance?
>
> >Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
> >you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
> >ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion.
>
> Yes there is, rightard. *Stop lying.

So you're one of the 750-odd exemptions issued by the
Obama admin? How much did you have to pay for
that, Raytard?

Rick Saunders > wrote:
>On Feb 9, 1:39*am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Rick Saunders > wrote:
>>
>> >On Jan 31, 10:08 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> So the states can make you buy car insurance but the feds can't make
>> >> you buy health insurance?
>>
>> >Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
>> >you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
>> >ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion.
>>
>> Yes there is, rightard. *Stop lying.
>
>So you're one of the 750-odd exemptions issued by the

Explain to us all why somebody cannot refuse health insurance.

Be specific.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 05:41:03 -0500, NoBody > wrote:

>On 09 Feb 2011 06:39:03 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Rick Saunders > wrote:
>>>On Jan 31, 10:08*pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the states can make you buy car insurance but *the feds can't make
>>>> you buy health insurance?
>>>
>>>Um, no. The state's can't make you buy car insurance unless
>>>you intend to drive on public roads. It's your choice. But under
>>>ObamaCare, there is no way to avoid compulsion.
>>
>>Yes there is, rightard. Stop lying.
>
>Tell us how ray-ray.
>
>
>"The US Supreme Court, by definition, is never wrong." (apparently
>saying that the Dredd Scott Decision was correct -- watch him squirm
>and twist folks...).
>
>Ray Fischer in
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...2?dmode=source


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