Transmission problem

BDragon wrote:
> "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent. When
> the
>> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things like
>> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the frame
>> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
> mounting
>> positions sometimes get left crooked.
>>
>> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom out the
>> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem. Odds
> are
>> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it was
>> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one side,
> bending
>> the horns.
>>
>> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after the frame
>> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than on
>> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
>>
>> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are after.
> Then
>> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the yoke
>> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of alignment for
>> some time.
>>
>>
>> "BDragon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a field one
>>> time
>>> and caused some damage. Might be related.
>>>
>>
> I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional friend
> help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I don't
> remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the problem
> that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that? We
> didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
>
> Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte (me) could
> recognize?
>
> I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six or seven
> years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important here, it sat
> for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up and
> buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
> hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It must
> have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
>
> From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the frame.
> Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from the
> side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that bracket was
> broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
>
> Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole car is off
> with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a relatively
> inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements, but I had
> it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not being
> right.
>
> Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is that
> something they would have to be looking for in order to find?

I think there's a hesitancy on the part of alignment guys to not, "pick
the scab off" an earlier shop's work. That sort of unsolicited comment
isn't helpful to anyone unless it involves a safety issue (or in the
chain outfits, a big sales opportunity.)

>
> Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an alignment expert
> could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for diagnosis
> if the other "fixes" don't work?
>
>

--
PJ

"Dad" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "BDragon" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> >> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent.
> >> When
> > the
> >> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things
> >> like
> >> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the
> >> frame
> >> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
> > mounting
> >> positions sometimes get left crooked.
> >>
> >> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom
> >> out the
> >> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem.
> >> Odds
> > are
> >> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it
> >> was
> >> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one
> >> side,
> > bending
> >> the horns.
> >>
> >> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after
> >> the frame
> >> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than
> >> on
> >> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
> >>
> >> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are
> >> after.
> > Then
> >> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the
> >> yoke
> >> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of
> >> alignment for
> >> some time.
> >>
> >>
> >> "BDragon" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a
> >> > field one
> >> > time
> >> > and caused some damage. Might be related.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> > I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional
> > friend
> > help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I
> > don't
> > remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the
> > problem
> > that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that?
> > We
> > didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
> >
> > Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte
> > (me) could
> > recognize?
> >
> > I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six
> > or seven
> > years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important
> > here, it sat
> > for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up
> > and
> > buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
> > hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It
> > must
> > have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
> >
> > From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the
> > frame.
> > Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from
> > the
> > side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that
> > bracket was
> > broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
> >
> > Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole
> > car is off
> > with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a
> > relatively
> > inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements,
> > but I had
> > it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not
> > being
> > right.
> >
> > Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is
> > that
> > something they would have to be looking for in order to find?
> >
> > Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an
> > alignment expert
> > could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for
> > diagnosis
> > if the other "fixes" don't work?
> >
> Measure the "X"s, find a identifiable point on each side and then a
> pair on the other end of the frame. With a tape measure each leg, then
> the distance in the shape of an "H". They should be the same within
> 1/4 inch, with the tolerance of up to 1/2 inch on some dimensions. If
> your frame is tweaked it will show up quickly on the "X" measurement.
> That works for the ladder measurement but it takes a frame shop to
> tell if it is in a straight plain and not twisted. Even that can be
> done with a spirit level or a good laser. All of this would be a bit
> easier with the frame dimensions if you can get them somewhere.
>
> --
> Dad
> 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51
> 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
>
>
Gotcha. This is like squaring a building or slab or whatever. I understand
the plane problem also, but I wouldn't know what the procedure is to check
that. I've got laser levels though - a few of them. I'll check using the
"X" tomorrow. Thanks.

"PJ" > wrote in message
news:cD%9g.5328$_c1.168@fed1read05...
> BDragon wrote:
> > "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> >> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent.
When
> > the
> >> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things like
> >> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the frame
> >> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
> > mounting
> >> positions sometimes get left crooked.
> >>
> >> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom out
the
> >> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem.
Odds
> > are
> >> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it was
> >> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one side,
> > bending
> >> the horns.
> >>
> >> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after the
frame
> >> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than on
> >> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
> >>
> >> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are after.
> > Then
> >> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the yoke
> >> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of alignment
for
> >> some time.
> >>
> >>
> >> "BDragon" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a field one
> >>> time
> >>> and caused some damage. Might be related.
> >>>
> >>
> > I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional
friend
> > help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I don't
> > remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the problem
> > that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that? We
> > didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
> >
> > Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte (me)
could
> > recognize?
> >
> > I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six or
seven
> > years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important here, it
sat
> > for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up and
> > buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
> > hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It must
> > have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
> >
> > From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the frame.
> > Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from the
> > side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that bracket
was
> > broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
> >
> > Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole car is
off
> > with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a relatively
> > inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements, but I
had
> > it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not being
> > right.
> >
> > Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is that
> > something they would have to be looking for in order to find?
>
> I think there's a hesitancy on the part of alignment guys to not, "pick
> the scab off" an earlier shop's work. That sort of unsolicited comment
> isn't helpful to anyone unless it involves a safety issue (or in the
> chain outfits, a big sales opportunity.)
>
> >
> > Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an alignment
expert
> > could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for
diagnosis
> > if the other "fixes" don't work?
> >
> >
>
> --
> PJ
Professional courtesy -- don't bad mouth the competition. Makes sense.
Whoever did the work on the car wouldn't be around here, though. I brought
the car in from a distance. However, if the other things don't work (the X
and checking the engine mounts, etc.) I reckon I'll get 'er to a frame shop.
Or, maybe sell it if there isn't any real problem. I keep looking at other
ones, and where I am, it suddenly seems like they're giving Corvettes away.
From 1968 to 1998 (and one 99), I haven't seen one in a couple of weeks
asking for more than $10K and most of them are running around $6K. I
haven't checked any of them out, either, but I've never seen prices this
low, and I'm always looking. Do the prices seem depressed where some of the
others of you are? I'm on the desert in SoCal. This is not a place for
bedrock pricing usually.

On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:35:30 -0700, "BDragon"
> puked:

>
>"PJ" > wrote in message
>news:cD%9g.5328$_c1.168@fed1read05...
>> BDragon wrote:
>> > "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
>> > k.net...
>> >> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent.
>When
>> > the
>> >> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things like
>> >> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the frame
>> >> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
>> > mounting
>> >> positions sometimes get left crooked.
>> >>
>> >> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom out
>the
>> >> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem.
>Odds
>> > are
>> >> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it was
>> >> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one side,
>> > bending
>> >> the horns.
>> >>
>> >> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after the
>frame
>> >> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than on
>> >> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
>> >>
>> >> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are after.
>> > Then
>> >> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the yoke
>> >> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of alignment
>for
>> >> some time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "BDragon" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a field one
>> >>> time
>> >>> and caused some damage. Might be related.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> > I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional
>friend
>> > help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I don't
>> > remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the problem
>> > that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that? We
>> > didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
>> >
>> > Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte (me)
>could
>> > recognize?
>> >
>> > I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six or
>seven
>> > years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important here, it
>sat
>> > for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up and
>> > buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
>> > hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It must
>> > have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
>> >
>> > From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the frame.
>> > Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from the
>> > side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that bracket
>was
>> > broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
>> >
>> > Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole car is
>off
>> > with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a relatively
>> > inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements, but I
>had
>> > it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not being
>> > right.
>> >
>> > Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is that
>> > something they would have to be looking for in order to find?
>>
>> I think there's a hesitancy on the part of alignment guys to not, "pick
>> the scab off" an earlier shop's work. That sort of unsolicited comment
>> isn't helpful to anyone unless it involves a safety issue (or in the
>> chain outfits, a big sales opportunity.)
>>
>> >
>> > Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an alignment
>expert
>> > could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for
>diagnosis
>> > if the other "fixes" don't work?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> PJ
>Professional courtesy -- don't bad mouth the competition.

You guys must live in some alternate universe. I hear bad mouthing of
the competition in nearly EVERY trade from car repair to computer
repair...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:35:30 -0700, "BDragon"
> > puked:
>
> >
> >"PJ" > wrote in message
> >news:cD%9g.5328$_c1.168@fed1read05...
> >> BDragon wrote:
> >> > "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
> >> > k.net...
> >> >> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent.
> >When
> >> > the
> >> >> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things like
> >> >> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the
frame
> >> >> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
> >> > mounting
> >> >> positions sometimes get left crooked.
> >> >>
> >> >> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom out
> >the
> >> >> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem.
> >Odds
> >> > are
> >> >> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it
was
> >> >> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one side,
> >> > bending
> >> >> the horns.
> >> >>
> >> >> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after the
> >frame
> >> >> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than on
> >> >> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are
after.
> >> > Then
> >> >> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the
yoke
> >> >> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of
alignment
> >for
> >> >> some time.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "BDragon" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>> Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a field
one
> >> >>> time
> >> >>> and caused some damage. Might be related.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> > I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional
> >friend
> >> > help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I
don't
> >> > remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the
problem
> >> > that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that?
We
> >> > didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
> >> >
> >> > Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte
(me)
> >could
> >> > recognize?
> >> >
> >> > I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six
or
> >seven
> >> > years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important here,
it
> >sat
> >> > for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up
and
> >> > buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
> >> > hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It
must
> >> > have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
> >> >
> >> > From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the
frame.
> >> > Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from
the
> >> > side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that
bracket
> >was
> >> > broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
> >> >
> >> > Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole car
is
> >off
> >> > with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a
relatively
> >> > inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements, but
I
> >had
> >> > it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not
being
> >> > right.
> >> >
> >> > Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is
that
> >> > something they would have to be looking for in order to find?
> >>
> >> I think there's a hesitancy on the part of alignment guys to not, "pick
> >> the scab off" an earlier shop's work. That sort of unsolicited comment
> >> isn't helpful to anyone unless it involves a safety issue (or in the
> >> chain outfits, a big sales opportunity.)
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an alignment
> >expert
> >> > could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for
> >diagnosis
> >> > if the other "fixes" don't work?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> PJ
> >Professional courtesy -- don't bad mouth the competition.
>
> You guys must live in some alternate universe. I hear bad mouthing of
> the competition in nearly EVERY trade from car repair to computer
> repair...
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

I guess we must be opting for polite, eh?

On Tue, 16 May 2006 12:04:27 -0700, "BDragon"
> puked:

>
>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:35:30 -0700, "BDragon"
>> > puked:
>>
>> >
>> >"PJ" > wrote in message
>> >news:cD%9g.5328$_c1.168@fed1read05...
>> >> BDragon wrote:
>> >> > "Tom in Missouri" > wrote in message
>> >> > k.net...
>> >> >> When in wrecks, it is common for the motor mount horns to be bent.
>> >When
>> >> > the
>> >> >> frame is straightened, frequently, body mounts and solid things like
>> >> >> engine/transmission mounts are unbolted so that straightening the
>frame
>> >> >> doesn't crack fiberglass or crack aluminum cases. As such, engine
>> >> > mounting
>> >> >> positions sometimes get left crooked.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Taking a "Deadman's Curve" ride through a cornfield could bottom out
>> >the
>> >> >> engine and bend the engine mount horns and cause the same problem.
>> >Odds
>> >> > are
>> >> >> originally, the incident broke the transmission rubber mount or it
>was
>> >> >> already broken (common) and so the transmission pivoted to one side,
>> >> > bending
>> >> >> the horns.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Very good frame shops are aware of this, and then fix that after the
>> >frame
>> >> >> is right, but since the mounts on regular cars are different than on
>> >> >> Corvettes, sometimes this gets overlooked.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not really a big deal, just be sure the shop knows what you are
>after.
>> >> > Then
>> >> >> you probably have the rear transmission shaft seal bad, maybe the
>yoke
>> >> >> bushing is bad, and the yoke may be bad, from running out of
>alignment
>> >for
>> >> >> some time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "BDragon" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>> Previous owner says his brother took the car sideways into a field
>one
>> >> >>> time
>> >> >>> and caused some damage. Might be related.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> > I rebuilt the engine for this one and put it in (I had professional
>> >friend
>> >> > help doing both) about two years ago. In the hussle and bustle, I
>don't
>> >> > remember if we changed the mounts or not. If there had been the
>problem
>> >> > that you note, would replacing the mounts have taken care of that?
>We
>> >> > didn't look for any damage, so there could have been some.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would a shop need to look for this, or is it something a neophyte
>(me)
>> >could
>> >> > recognize?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm just remembering something else. I picked up the car about six
>or
>> >seven
>> >> > years ago, did a few things, and then for reasons not important here,
>it
>> >sat
>> >> > for four years before we did the engine, and started cleaning it up
>and
>> >> > buying what was necessary. That's my excuse for forgetting that the
>> >> > hydraulic steering assist ram bracket had to be welded back on. It
>must
>> >> > have taken a smack to do that. Dang it.
>> >> >
>> >> > From underneath, I don't see any glaring bends or crunches in the
>frame.
>> >> > Flattened a little where the jack would go if it were jacked up from
>the
>> >> > side, but nothing that looks like accident damage. Except that
>bracket
>> >was
>> >> > broken. I welded a new one on and forgot about it. Till now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can I tell within reasonable limits if the alignment of the whole car
>is
>> >off
>> >> > with the home measurements PJ mentioned? I know there is a
>relatively
>> >> > inexpensive device that Eastwoods has for doing the measurements, but
>I
>> >had
>> >> > it into the best shop around, and there was no mention of it not
>being
>> >> > right.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would they have noticed a problem when they were aligning it, or is
>that
>> >> > something they would have to be looking for in order to find?
>> >>
>> >> I think there's a hesitancy on the part of alignment guys to not, "pick
>> >> the scab off" an earlier shop's work. That sort of unsolicited comment
>> >> isn't helpful to anyone unless it involves a safety issue (or in the
>> >> chain outfits, a big sales opportunity.)
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Ultimately, I guess I'm asking if this is a problem that an alignment
>> >expert
>> >> > could diagnose, or do I need to get it to a frame specialist for
>> >diagnosis
>> >> > if the other "fixes" don't work?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> PJ
>> >Professional courtesy -- don't bad mouth the competition.
>>
>> You guys must live in some alternate universe. I hear bad mouthing of
>> the competition in nearly EVERY trade from car repair to computer
>> repair...
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>
>I guess we must be opting for polite, eh?
>

I don't know, but I can't count the number of times I've had someone
do work behind someone else and complain about the way the job is
done. Maybe it's just the folks in S. Florida, but it seems rampant.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?