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  #1  
Old May 22nd 11, 12:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
tony sayer
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I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
comfortable one too

However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
quickly.

Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.

A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
shes back up to her hunting tricks.

And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
idle fine.

Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.

I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.

The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
which part of the system it might be causing that?.

Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
her for a while yet...

TIA....

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  #2  
Old May 22nd 11, 12:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Mrcheerful
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tony sayer wrote:
> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
> comfortable one too
>
> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve
> rather quickly.
>
> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to
> 1500 RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>
> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes
> her idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off
> again shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>
> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
> idle fine.
>
> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>
> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>
> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and
> no fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they
> didn't have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I
> start changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and
> any idea which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>
> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
> her for a while yet...
>
> TIA....


have you checked for intake air leaks, particularly the manifold gasket.


  #3  
Old May 22nd 11, 01:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Jacob[_2_]
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"tony sayer" > wrote in message
...
>
> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
> comfortable one too
>
> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
> quickly.
>
> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
> RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>
> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
> idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
> shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>
> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
> idle fine.
>
> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>
> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>
> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>
> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
> her for a while yet...
>
> TIA....
>
>


If it has a throttle body ? I'd try cleaning it and getting it re-aligned.
Also a vac leak sounds likely


  #4  
Old May 22nd 11, 03:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Harry Bloomfield[_2_]
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Default A6 Audi "Hunting"!...

tony sayer laid this down on his screen :
> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
> comfortable one too
>
> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
> quickly.
>
> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
> RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>
> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
> idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
> shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>
> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
> idle fine.
>
> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>
> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>
> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>
> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
> her for a while yet...
>
> TIA....


vacuum leak or sticky idle valve.

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  #5  
Old May 22nd 11, 11:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Charley
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On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:48:46 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
> wrote:

>tony sayer wrote:
>> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
>> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
>> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
>> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
>> comfortable one too
>>
>> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
>> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
>> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
>> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve
>> rather quickly.
>>
>> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
>> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to
>> 1500 RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>>
>> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes
>> her idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off
>> again shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>>
>> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
>> idle fine.
>>
>> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
>> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
>> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
>> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>>
>> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
>> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
>> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
>> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>>
>> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
>> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and
>> no fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they
>> didn't have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I
>> start changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and
>> any idea which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>>
>> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
>> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
>> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
>> her for a while yet...
>>
>> TIA....

>
>have you checked for intake air leaks, particularly the manifold gasket.


That was going to be my suggestion. I had one of these with a no
start condition - a little overenthusiastic use of Holts Cold Start
blew the top of the inlet manifold off. Probably a intake air leak.
  #6  
Old May 23rd 11, 02:09 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Kevin McMurtrie[_3_]
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I'm not sure about that ECU, but some will rev up the engine if it
appears that a cylinder has stopped firing while idling. Check the
spark plugs after idling the car to see if one looks extra grimy.

It could also be a broken wire on that valve. Audis aren't known for
excellent wiring. I just fixed two wires on my 07 A3 that had been
crimped into connectors so tightly that they broke off. I see lots of
wires into engine block components that are missing a strain relief.
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Old May 23rd 11, 04:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Duncan Wood[_4_]
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On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:35:44 +0100, tony sayer > wrote:

>
> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
> comfortable one too
> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
> quickly.
>
> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
> RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>
> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
> idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
> shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>
> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
> idle fine.
>
> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>
> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>
> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>
> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
> her for a while yet...
>
> TIA....
>


The normal answer is Vag-Com, but given you're presumably local to me we
could plug it in & see what it thinks it's doing whilst it's hunting.
  #8  
Old May 23rd 11, 09:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
tony sayer
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In article <op.vvxxz2n7loxewg@duncan-tosh>, Duncan Wood
> scribeth thus
>On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:35:44 +0100, tony sayer > wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
>> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho shes olde she still moves
>> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
>> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
>> comfortable one too
>> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
>> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
>> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
>> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
>> quickly.
>>
>> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
>> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
>> RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>>
>> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
>> idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
>> shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>>
>> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
>> idle fine.
>>
>> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
>> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
>> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
>> has her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>>
>> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
>> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
>> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
>> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>>
>> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
>> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
>> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
>> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
>> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
>> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>>
>> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
>> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
>> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
>> her for a while yet...
>>
>> TIA....
>>

>
>The normal answer is Vag-Com, but given you're presumably local to me we
>could plug it in & see what it thinks it's doing whilst it's hunting.


Yes I believe I may well be, but anyway I'll have a look at the weekend
for leaks first then perhaps I'll drop you a mail

Thanks to all for your suggestions..
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Old May 24th 11, 10:23 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
Donk[_2_]
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On May 22, 12:35*pm, tony sayer > wrote:
> I've got an A6 Audi Avant, in fact a bit of a vintage one 1995!, olde
> lady has done 198,000 plus miles and 'tho *shes olde she still moves
> around very gracefully and still is fleet of foot when required..
> In fact shes more used as a "works van" these days and a very
> comfortable one too
>
> However one minor fault plagues her in that she won't tickover (idle)
> all the time. In this model which is a straight 2 litre petrol it has
> the ABK engine code Digifant system which uses an idle control valve
> which sets the idle via a voltage that opens or closes that valve rather
> quickly.
>
> Symptoms are, Starts fine 'tho seems to be as if shes over choked and
> after a few minutes running the idle speed hunts from around 800 to 1500
> RPM as if you were blipping the throttle.
>
> A quick flick of the ignition switch to off and back on again makes her
> idle at 820 RPM which is the correct rate. However once your off again
> shes back up to her hunting tricks.
>
> And again quickly switch the ignition off and back on again sets it to
> idle fine.
>
> Now some times it will almost behave in that she will idle but just on
> the 1000 RPM mark and sometimes albeit rarely she will behave properly
> and idle at 820 RPM. Same as before if shes at 1000 a quick off and on
> has *her pick up the 820 RPM setting.
>
> I have changed the idle valve as that was playing up before which was
> causing frequent stalling and now if you disconnect the idle valve it
> will rev away around 1500, connecting it back up again sees it coming
> right at 820 when you just have the engine on tickover and stationary.
>
> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>
> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
> her for a while yet...
>
> TIA....
>
> --
> Tony Sayer


1996 A6 1984cc ABK petrol.
The Idle control v v can be taken apart and cleaned with WC40 or the
like. The thing with the electrical connector comes out of the
plastic air intake and the rubber hoses. You'll see the v v part and
you can push it in or connect it to the battery and see it work. Spray
into the v v to clean it. The thing with the electrical connector on
doesn't come to pieces without hacking it. Find the engine control
relay, on my A6 it is in the passenger footwell at ones left foot.
This can cause lots of problems. It has a number. The computer is
also down in there to the front where it can get wet if the drain
above gets blocked. Pull the big long connector off and put it back
on again, have a look for white powder or discolouration on the
contacts. Spray it with WD 40.
There is info on the net, pos in this forum.
Check all the inlet hoses and connections. Check all the wiring
connectors, pull them off and push them back on again.
An Autodata CD has some info.
The Throttle sensor is at the bottom of the throttle housing.
There is a setting for the Throttle you'll see an adjusting bolt just
at the end of the throttle wire on top of the throttle housing. If
this is worn or loose then it could cause the butterfly flap inside to
close. Dirt can accumulate on the butterfly v v and inside the inlet
manifold.
I'll not go into detail here as there is a lot that can be done to
sort this little problem, however there was a lot of info on the web
about this type of problem. It'll be easier if you have a book / CD.
The Auto data and another that I got didn't have everything in them
about the A6. The Haynes isn't a lot of good these days but it might
be better than nothing, I have never had a Bently workshop manual so I
can't comment on it. A nice big multimeter is good, one with large
numbers is better as sometimes one is some distance from it when doing
checks.
You can get a thing from Gendan that reads fault codes.
A garage may not have the information to do a check on the idle
control v v. Some of the checks are done with the engine running and
if I remember there is 14v and 5 v.
  #10  
Old May 26th 11, 12:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,alt.autos.audi
tony sayer
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>> The small garage where I normally take it they have a visiting Auto
>> electrician who put it on his analyser who said it seemed alright and no
>> fault codes that he could see of. Our local main dealer said they didn't
>> have that diagnostic unit around anymore either. So before I start
>> changing bits on a trial basis anyone ever had this before and any idea
>> which part of the system it might be causing that?.
>>
>> Perhaps I should take the garages advice and get a younger model but
>> while this ones running fine apart from the above and has passed the
>> last 10 odd MOT tests with sod all wanting doing I'd like to hang onto
>> her for a while yet...
>>
>> TIA....
>>
>> --
>> Tony Sayer

>
>1996 A6 1984cc ABK petrol.
>The Idle control v v can be taken apart and cleaned with WC40 or the
>like. The thing with the electrical connector comes out of the
>plastic air intake and the rubber hoses. You'll see the v v part and
>you can push it in or connect it to the battery and see it work. Spray
>into the v v to clean it. The thing with the electrical connector on
>doesn't come to pieces without hacking it.


It has already been changed and yes, it does work the engine note alters
when you plug and unplug it.

Odd but when its hunting up and down the rev range unplugging that does
cause it to settle when plugged back in?...


> Find the engine control
>relay, on my A6 it is in the passenger footwell at ones left foot.
>This can cause lots of problems. It has a number.


Yes changed..

>The computer is
>also down in there to the front where it can get wet if the drain
>above gets blocked. Pull the big long connector off and put it back
>on again, have a look for white powder or discolouration on the
>contacts. Spray it with WD 40.


All clean and dry..

>There is info on the net, pos in this forum.
>Check all the inlet hoses and connections. Check all the wiring
>connectors, pull them off and push them back on again.
>An Autodata CD has some info.
>The Throttle sensor is at the bottom of the throttle housing.
>There is a setting for the Throttle you'll see an adjusting bolt just
>at the end of the throttle wire on top of the throttle housing. If
>this is worn or loose then it could cause the butterfly flap inside to
>close. Dirt can accumulate on the butterfly v v and inside the inlet
>manifold.


Well thats clean..

I'll check the operation of the throttle stop and sensor.

FWIW changed the water temp sender, well both of them as the motor
factors had them going cheap, anyway its now slightly better when really
warm tends to behave a bit more i.e. correct idle speed for longer.

And the water temp gauge works..

thanks for all who helped .. appreciated...

>I'll not go into detail here as there is a lot that can be done to
>sort this little problem, however there was a lot of info on the web
>about this type of problem. It'll be easier if you have a book / CD.
>The Auto data and another that I got didn't have everything in them
>about the A6. The Haynes isn't a lot of good these days but it might
>be better than nothing, I have never had a Bently workshop manual so I
>can't comment on it. A nice big multimeter is good, one with large
>numbers is better as sometimes one is some distance from it when doing
>checks.
>You can get a thing from Gendan that reads fault codes.
>A garage may not have the information to do a check on the idle
>control v v. Some of the checks are done with the engine running and
>if I remember there is 14v and 5 v.


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