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E90 difference in gauges?
I recently took a look at the 328i and 335i E90 sedans.
On the 335, it looked like the MPG gauge was not there. On the 328i, there was no temperature gauge. Why the difference between the two? Anoop |
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"anoop" > wrote in message oups.com... >I recently took a look at the 328i and 335i E90 sedans. > On the 335, it looked like the MPG gauge was not there. > On the 328i, there was no temperature gauge. > > Why the difference between the two? > > Anoop > Isn't the mpg gauges nothing more than an estimate based on engine vacuum? If so, there is no vacuum in a turbocharged engine to measure; hence the mpg gauge is useless. In contrast, it is nearly useless for the normally aspirated engines. As for the temperature gauge, it is also useless because all it really shows is that the engine is either cold or not. Jim |
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"Jim" > wrote in message . net... > > "anoop" > wrote in message > oups.com... >>I recently took a look at the 328i and 335i E90 sedans. >> On the 335, it looked like the MPG gauge was not there. >> On the 328i, there was no temperature gauge. >> >> Why the difference between the two? >> >> Anoop >> > Isn't the mpg gauges nothing more than an estimate based on engine vacuum? > If so, there is no vacuum in a turbocharged engine to measure; hence the > mpg > gauge is useless. In contrast, it is nearly useless for the normally > aspirated > engines. > > As for the temperature gauge, it is also useless because all it really > shows is that > the engine is either cold or not. > The MPG guage LOOKS like it is vacuum operated, but in reality is is a display of the injector timing compared against the vehicle speed. If you roll down the road at 40 and take your foot off the gas, the injector timing becomes very short, so the amount of fuel needed to continue on this kind of operational profile would be very small, and the MPG would become very high -- on my car (an E36), this is full scale for Best MPG. As you continue rolling along and approach a stop, the guage begins to drop because at the given speed and injector timing, the vehicle cannot continue at the Best MPG, and at full stop it gets the Worst MPG. On my daughter's E46, the guage works the same, except that when the car gets to a full stop, the guage goes to full scale Best MPG. I can't explain why it would do this, but my inclination is that there is a software bug. In any case, I understand that the MPG guage looks like a vacuum guage, but it really is not or the needle would remain stationary as the vehicle rolled to a stop. Since the needle moves, then the indication has to be a measurement of fuel consumption vs. speed. The temp guage is perhaps the most useful guage of the bunch. The condition of the engine is a function of the heat of the engine. As for the original question, I can't tell you if what you saw is accurate or not. I see no reason for the difference in guages of the 328 and 335, except that the 335 would need a guage or two to tell one about the activity of the Twin Turbos. |
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On Jul 4, 8:48 am, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> As for the original question, > I can't tell you if what you saw is accurate or not. I see no reason for the > difference in guages of the 328 and 335, except that the 335 would need a > guage or two to tell one about the activity of the Twin Turbos. Now you made me second guess myself. :-) They have a picture of the 335i gauges he http://tinyurl.com/34wc2l And the 328i gauges are he http://tinyurl.com/3dg6qa I still wonder why they had to do that. There's got to be a reason! Anoop |
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On Jul 4, 7:55 am, "Jim" > wrote:
> As for the temperature gauge, it is also useless because all it really shows > is that the engine is either cold or not. I usually use the temperature gauge to tell me when I can start shifting at a higher RPM. I usually try to keep it below 4K until the engine reaches its normal operating temperature. Anoop |
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E90 difference in gauges?
"anoop" > wrote in message ups.com... > On Jul 4, 8:48 am, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote: > >> As for the original question, >> I can't tell you if what you saw is accurate or not. I see no reason for >> the >> difference in guages of the 328 and 335, except that the 335 would need a >> guage or two to tell one about the activity of the Twin Turbos. > > Now you made me second guess myself. :-) > > They have a picture of the 335i gauges he > http://tinyurl.com/34wc2l > And the 328i gauges are he > http://tinyurl.com/3dg6qa > > I still wonder why they had to do that. There's got > to be a reason! That's interesting, they took the fuel consumption gauge out of the 335 and put a water temp gauge in its place. I can only guess that water temp is more volatile in the twin turbo, so they want it to be more prominant. |
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Jim > wrote: > Isn't the mpg gauges nothing more than an estimate based on engine > vacuum? If it were, it would read high at idle. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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E90 difference in gauges?
Its not a water temp gauge but a oil temp gauge like the E92 coupé.
Oil temp is more important then a mpg gauge. Who can buy a 335i, he is not interested in fuel consumption. "Jeff Strickland" > schreef in bericht news:sCWii.2997$Np2.2783@trnddc07... > > "anoop" > wrote in message > ups.com... > > On Jul 4, 8:48 am, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote: > > > >> As for the original question, > >> I can't tell you if what you saw is accurate or not. I see no reason for > >> the > >> difference in guages of the 328 and 335, except that the 335 would need a > >> guage or two to tell one about the activity of the Twin Turbos. > > > > Now you made me second guess myself. :-) > > > > They have a picture of the 335i gauges he > > http://tinyurl.com/34wc2l > > And the 328i gauges are he > > http://tinyurl.com/3dg6qa > > > > I still wonder why they had to do that. There's got > > to be a reason! > > > That's interesting, they took the fuel consumption gauge out of the 335 and > put a water temp gauge in its place. I can only guess that water temp is > more volatile in the twin turbo, so they want it to be more prominant. > > > > > |
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E90 difference in gauges?
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:00:28 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" >
wrote: >In article > , > Jim > wrote: >> Isn't the mpg gauges nothing more than an estimate based on engine >> vacuum? > >If it were, it would read high at idle. It is based on the amount of fuel being passed from the tank to the inj minus the amount returned. However, the newer systems are based on the exhaust and the time the injectors are open thus the inj time = fuel used (not burnt) / vehicle speed or distance. If you reset the computer average consumption at 60mph with the throttle closed the reading will be about 90mpg but quickly drops to 60, 40, 35 etc as the throttle (hence fuel injected) is opened/speed & distance. So if you want to lie about MPG when selling reset the computer at 60 with the throttle closed and stop when it reads 45mpg then show the intending buyer how frugal you V12 monster really is - Look sir I get 38mpg out of this - give me the money..... Steve |
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> wrote > So if you want to lie about MPG when selling reset the computer at 60 > with the > throttle closed and stop when it reads 45mpg then show the intending > buyer how > frugal you V12 monster really is - Look sir I get 38mpg out of this - > give me > the money..... As if someone buying a V12 was concerned about mpg in the first place... Pete |
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