Pinging

The Ford dealer sells it here for $20/can. It's worth the price.

wrote:
> Just found out that a few dealerships around here keep BG 44K in stock. I'll
> hafta drop by & see if this Seafoam carbon cleaner doesn't work. They're
> about $25/can at Precision Tune... I'll see what the dealers charge. Thanks,
> Michael.
>
> -Mike
>
> --
> A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> Cold air intake
> FRPP 3.73 gears
> Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> Full Boar turbo mufflers
> Hi-speed fan switch
> 255/60R-15 rear tires
> Subframe connectors
>
>
> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Two things I would recommend.
>>
>>First is to clean the MAF sensor element. Over time it develops a coat
>>of dirt that insulates the element which in turn causes the meter to
>>send a signal to the computer that it is seeing less air than is
>>actually running through the it. This causes the computer to deliver
>>less fuel to the cylinders than is required and a lean condition occurs
>>which can result in detonation (aka "pinging").
>>
>>Second is to dump a can of BG 44K into the gas tank. If you are burning
>>oil it might be causing a buildup of carbon in the combustion chambers.
>> Since the carbon takes up space it has the effect of raising the
>>compression ratio of the engine. This in turn can cause detonation. BG
>>44K will also do a great job of cleaning the entire fuel system. The
>>cheap fuel system additives found in auto parts stores aren't worth
>>using IMHO.
>>
>>As mentioned, you may have a fuel delivery problem such as a weak fuel
>>pump or a semi-clogged fuel filter.
>>
>>As a last comment I don't think burning a 1/4 quart of oil every 3,000
>>miles is all that bad. We had a T-Bird that burned 1-2 quarts every
>>3,000 miles and it lasted to 183,000 miles and ran great up until our
>>son introduced it to the concrete base of a light pole at 35 mph.
>>
wrote:
>>
>>>Car is pinging every new and then at full throttle... maybe 1/5 times.
>
> It's
>
>>>very unnerving. Also, I'm losing about a 1/4 of a quart of oil every 3k
>>>miles. I'm going to clean the air filter today, clean sensors, I already
>>>replaced EGR valve. What else would you recommend I do? Thanks in
>
> advance.
>
>>>Btw, running 91 octane (designed for 87, but on 87 it pings worse).
>>>
>>>-Mike
>>>
>>>--
>>>A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
>>>Cold air intake
>>>FRPP 3.73 gears
>>>Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
>>>Full Boar turbo mufflers
>>>Hi-speed fan switch
>>>255/60R-15 rear tires
>>>Subframe connectors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Brake cleaner works just as well as electronic parts cleaner.

wrote:
> Hmm... BG 44K. Damn. I just put in a can of Seafoam Carbon Cleaner... LOL.
> *slaps self*. I've heard good things about BG 44K as well, but the only
> place to find it here is at Precision Tune Auto Care & they are closed on
> Sundays. Sooo i opted for Seafoam instead. About $5.50/can wasn't too bad I
> thought. Bought 2. Put 1 in gas tank. Have the other sitting right here on
> my desk. About to go clean the MAF sensor (come to think of it, I *did* let
> my air filter get pretty dirty once... didn't clean MAF afterwards either) &
> disconnect battery for 20 mins. I put in a can of Seafoam cleaner & 87
> octane... and SURPRISINGLY it immediately pinged FAR less... mostly at 4k-5k
> RPM range & in 3rd gear. The car feels a tiiiiny bit more "alive"..
> definitely not more "powerful", but just more responsive. These were
> immediate results. Car has been driven about 30 miles since I did Seafoam (I
> drove it a while on purpose). Anyway... I'm off to clean the MAF sensor.
> Hope I can find some electrical parts cleaner around the house..
>
> -Mike
>
> --
> A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> Cold air intake
> FRPP 3.73 gears
> Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> Full Boar turbo mufflers
> Hi-speed fan switch
> 255/60R-15 rear tires
> Subframe connectors
>
>
> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Two things I would recommend.
>>
>>First is to clean the MAF sensor element. Over time it develops a coat
>>of dirt that insulates the element which in turn causes the meter to
>>send a signal to the computer that it is seeing less air than is
>>actually running through the it. This causes the computer to deliver
>>less fuel to the cylinders than is required and a lean condition occurs
>>which can result in detonation (aka "pinging").
>>
>>Second is to dump a can of BG 44K into the gas tank. If you are burning
>>oil it might be causing a buildup of carbon in the combustion chambers.
>> Since the carbon takes up space it has the effect of raising the
>>compression ratio of the engine. This in turn can cause detonation. BG
>>44K will also do a great job of cleaning the entire fuel system. The
>>cheap fuel system additives found in auto parts stores aren't worth
>>using IMHO.
>>
>>As mentioned, you may have a fuel delivery problem such as a weak fuel
>>pump or a semi-clogged fuel filter.
>>
>>As a last comment I don't think burning a 1/4 quart of oil every 3,000
>>miles is all that bad. We had a T-Bird that burned 1-2 quarts every
>>3,000 miles and it lasted to 183,000 miles and ran great up until our
>>son introduced it to the concrete base of a light pole at 35 mph.
>>
wrote:
>>
>>>Car is pinging every new and then at full throttle... maybe 1/5 times.
>
> It's
>
>>>very unnerving. Also, I'm losing about a 1/4 of a quart of oil every 3k
>>>miles. I'm going to clean the air filter today, clean sensors, I already
>>>replaced EGR valve. What else would you recommend I do? Thanks in
>
> advance.
>
>>>Btw, running 91 octane (designed for 87, but on 87 it pings worse).
>>>
>>>-Mike
>>>
>>>--
>>>A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
>>>Cold air intake
>>>FRPP 3.73 gears
>>>Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
>>>Full Boar turbo mufflers
>>>Hi-speed fan switch
>>>255/60R-15 rear tires
>>>Subframe connectors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Hmm... dealership selling it cheaper?? Wow. I'm gonna call some dealerships
this week & see who has it. A few were listed on the seafoam site. I'd like
to support my local Ford dealership so I'm gonna call 'em first ;P. Even
though they suck sometimes.

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Full Boar turbo mufflers
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires
Subframe connectors


"Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
...
> The Ford dealer sells it here for $20/can. It's worth the price.
>
> wrote:
> > Just found out that a few dealerships around here keep BG 44K in stock.
I'll
> > hafta drop by & see if this Seafoam carbon cleaner doesn't work. They're
> > about $25/can at Precision Tune... I'll see what the dealers charge.
Thanks,
> > Michael.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > --
> > A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> > Cold air intake
> > FRPP 3.73 gears
> > Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> > Full Boar turbo mufflers
> > Hi-speed fan switch
> > 255/60R-15 rear tires
> > Subframe connectors
> >
> >
> > "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Two things I would recommend.
> >>
> >>First is to clean the MAF sensor element. Over time it develops a coat
> >>of dirt that insulates the element which in turn causes the meter to
> >>send a signal to the computer that it is seeing less air than is
> >>actually running through the it. This causes the computer to deliver
> >>less fuel to the cylinders than is required and a lean condition occurs
> >>which can result in detonation (aka "pinging").
> >>
> >>Second is to dump a can of BG 44K into the gas tank. If you are burning
> >>oil it might be causing a buildup of carbon in the combustion chambers.
> >> Since the carbon takes up space it has the effect of raising the
> >>compression ratio of the engine. This in turn can cause detonation. BG
> >>44K will also do a great job of cleaning the entire fuel system. The
> >>cheap fuel system additives found in auto parts stores aren't worth
> >>using IMHO.
> >>
> >>As mentioned, you may have a fuel delivery problem such as a weak fuel
> >>pump or a semi-clogged fuel filter.
> >>
> >>As a last comment I don't think burning a 1/4 quart of oil every 3,000
> >>miles is all that bad. We had a T-Bird that burned 1-2 quarts every
> >>3,000 miles and it lasted to 183,000 miles and ran great up until our
> >>son introduced it to the concrete base of a light pole at 35 mph.
> >>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Car is pinging every new and then at full throttle... maybe 1/5 times.
> >
> > It's
> >
> >>>very unnerving. Also, I'm losing about a 1/4 of a quart of oil every 3k
> >>>miles. I'm going to clean the air filter today, clean sensors, I
already
> >>>replaced EGR valve. What else would you recommend I do? Thanks in
> >
> > advance.
> >
> >>>Btw, running 91 octane (designed for 87, but on 87 it pings worse).
> >>>
> >>>-Mike
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> >>>Cold air intake
> >>>FRPP 3.73 gears
> >>>Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> >>>Full Boar turbo mufflers
> >>>Hi-speed fan switch
> >>>255/60R-15 rear tires
> >>>Subframe connectors
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> The Ford dealer sells it here for $20/can. It's worth the price.
>
>

Damn!!! I didn't realize that stuff was that expensive. I have a gold
mine in my garage, lol!!! I have about 10-12 cans I think.
Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT

Erik... buddy.. pal .

Seriously.. where the heck did you get that much from?

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Full Boar turbo mufflers
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires
Subframe connectors


"Erik D." > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> > The Ford dealer sells it here for $20/can. It's worth the price.
> >
> >
>
> Damn!!! I didn't realize that stuff was that expensive. I have a gold
> mine in my garage, lol!!! I have about 10-12 cans I think.
> Erik D.
> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT
>

wrote:
> Erik... buddy.. pal .
>
> Seriously.. where the heck did you get that much from?
>

Honestly I don't know. My brother gets it. He's a mechanic so he
brings home stuff all the time. I think BG has some kind of thing where
when the mechanics use the product they get incentives. I'm not really
sure though, all I know is I have some over here.
Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:16:32 -0500, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:

>Two things I would recommend.
>
>First is to clean the MAF sensor element. Over time it develops a coat
>of dirt that insulates the element which in turn causes the meter to
>send a signal to the computer that it is seeing less air than is
>actually running through the it. This causes the computer to deliver
>less fuel to the cylinders than is required and a lean condition occurs
>which can result in detonation (aka "pinging").
>
>Second is to dump a can of BG 44K into the gas tank. If you are burning
>oil it might be causing a buildup of carbon in the combustion chambers.
> Since the carbon takes up space it has the effect of raising the
>compression ratio of the engine. This in turn can cause detonation. BG
>44K will also do a great job of cleaning the entire fuel system. The
>cheap fuel system additives found in auto parts stores aren't worth
>using IMHO.
>
>As mentioned, you may have a fuel delivery problem such as a weak fuel
>pump or a semi-clogged fuel filter.
>
>As a last comment I don't think burning a 1/4 quart of oil every 3,000
>miles is all that bad. We had a T-Bird that burned 1-2 quarts every

yeah, this is probably a normal amount, even on the low side I would
think. Wouldn't worry about it.

>3,000 miles and it lasted to 183,000 miles and ran great up until our
>son introduced it to the concrete base of a light pole at 35 mph.

ouch.


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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:58:25 GMT, > wrote:

>I'm not sure how I can inspect the fuel lines more thoroughly than a visual
>inspection... filter was replaced about 5k miles ago. pump is the factory
>pump as far as I know... should I check fuel pressure??

yup, Sounds like the thing to do. If you fuel-filter is clean, this is
the next step.
How many miles are on the car ?

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:16:14 GMT, > wrote:

>Hmm... BG 44K. Damn. I just put in a can of Seafoam Carbon Cleaner... LOL.
>*slaps self*. I've heard good things about BG 44K as well, but the only
>place to find it here is at Precision Tune Auto Care & they are closed on
>Sundays. Sooo i opted for Seafoam instead. About $5.50/can wasn't too bad I
>thought. Bought 2. Put 1 in gas tank. Have the other sitting right here on
>my desk. About to go clean the MAF sensor (come to think of it, I *did* let
>my air filter get pretty dirty once... didn't clean MAF afterwards either) &
>disconnect battery for 20 mins. I put in a can of Seafoam cleaner & 87
>octane... and SURPRISINGLY it immediately pinged FAR less... mostly at 4k-5k
>RPM range & in 3rd gear. The car feels a tiiiiny bit more "alive"..
>definitely not more "powerful", but just more responsive. These were
>immediate results. Car has been driven about 30 miles since I did Seafoam (I
>drove it a while on purpose). Anyway... I'm off to clean the MAF sensor.
>Hope I can find some electrical parts cleaner around the house..
>
>-Mike

Seafoam is also very good for cleaning. Make sure you do not top off
the fuel, run it almost empty so you get to use the maximum strength
mixture of gas and seafoam..

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Rein wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:16:32 -0500, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Two things I would recommend.
>>
>>First is to clean the MAF sensor element. Over time it develops a coat
>>of dirt that insulates the element which in turn causes the meter to
>>send a signal to the computer that it is seeing less air than is
>>actually running through the it. This causes the computer to deliver
>>less fuel to the cylinders than is required and a lean condition occurs
>>which can result in detonation (aka "pinging").
>>
>>Second is to dump a can of BG 44K into the gas tank. If you are burning
>>oil it might be causing a buildup of carbon in the combustion chambers.
>> Since the carbon takes up space it has the effect of raising the
>>compression ratio of the engine. This in turn can cause detonation. BG
>>44K will also do a great job of cleaning the entire fuel system. The
>>cheap fuel system additives found in auto parts stores aren't worth
>>using IMHO.
>>
>>As mentioned, you may have a fuel delivery problem such as a weak fuel
>>pump or a semi-clogged fuel filter.
>>
>>As a last comment I don't think burning a 1/4 quart of oil every 3,000
>>miles is all that bad. We had a T-Bird that burned 1-2 quarts every
>
>
> yeah, this is probably a normal amount, even on the low side I would
> think. Wouldn't worry about it.
>
>
>>3,000 miles and it lasted to 183,000 miles and ran great up until our
>>son introduced it to the concrete base of a light pole at 35 mph.
>
>
> ouch.

That's not the whole story. He totaled the T-Bird on a Saturday and two
weeks earlier he lost control of a Nissan 240SX convertible we owned and
slid across the median into two oncoming lanes of traffic and luckily
came away without a scratch on him or the car. The next Saturday he
totaled that car too. Just recently he totaled a third car without
getting a scratch. Every time he calls me from his cell phone a little
voice in my head says "Does this car number four is totaled?".

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