Death of r.a.s.

"Tony Rickard" > wrote
> Not sure it is so painful. What remains is generally a core of generally
> sensible people that will respond quickly to a genuine request for info
> and can give an educated insight into sim racing developments. Many of the
> other forums is like trawling through treacle to find the relevant bits
> and regardless of the moderation is full of fanboy vs hater posts.


Yeah "the other forums" being mostly rscnet, I agree with you that I don't
want to move on there. It's a (very) fragmented mess, there's no cohesion
at all. No soul. Other PC gaming newsgroups are worse, check out the
comp.sys.idm.pc.games.* hierarchy.

My own ISP (the national #1 Canadian ISP) is dropping their NNTP server at
the end of the month. Sad.


> the good old days of Papy sim racers vs DGF


I'm never sure whom actually won that I know that rasf1 vs. DGF
actually became a TKO by submission in the 8th round against David!


> It is the fragmentation of sim racing that is taking its toll on RAS IMHO.
> I am sure it will continue for some time yet though.


The rapid decay rate in the past year is for the most that, but there's
something else. The market for serious PC racing sims is not anymore a
mainstream market like it was back 5 years ago.

"rex roland" > wrote
> Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages from
> that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and
> causing many people to leave.


Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s.
history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact!

>"ski9600" > wrote
> That's sad. I remember all the flame wars you used to get into back in
> the IndyCar II days. LOL

There was a well balanced mess of serious and non-serious posts, which all
helped the community of racing simulations fans.


> What kind of stuff has been said here lately that you can't say on RSC?

RSC is filled up with moderators, strict guidelines, "things you cannot
mention", sticky threads that are useless, internal wars that are hidden to
the public, cowardly attitude in front of developpers, etc...



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ymenard wrote:

> The rapid decay rate in the past year is for the most that, but there's
> something else. The market for serious PC racing sims is not anymore a
> mainstream market like it was back 5 years ago.

Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream
market?

I think there's enough neat stuff coming to spice it up again, but it will
be a while.

-Larry

"ymenard" > wrote in message
.. .
> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death.
>
> From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than
> 500. A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings.
> Perhaps we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of
> speech on an ugly web board.
>
> I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is
> pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable.
>
>
> R.I.P.
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ymenard wrote:
> "rex roland" > wrote
>
>>Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages from
>>that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and
>>causing many people to leave.
>
>
>
> Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s.
> history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact!
>
>

"ymenard, the mentally retarded poster of RAS" Hmmm.... =)

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>"Larry" > wrote
>I think there's enough neat stuff coming to spice it up again, but it will
>be a while.



Yes yes we saw the incredible numbers of PC racing sim developpers showing
off their upcoming release at E3.


Oh wait there was none.





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> wrote
> Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream
> market?


Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time).
Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
time).






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>"Scott B. Husted" > wrote
>> Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s.
>> history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact!
>
> "ymenard, the mentally retarded poster of RAS" Hmmm.... =)


Amish bankers should be excluded from the Internet !






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"ymenard" > wrote in message
. ..
> >"ski9600" > wrote
>> That's sad. I remember all the flame wars you used to get into back in
>> the IndyCar II days. LOL
>
> There was a well balanced mess of serious and non-serious posts, which all
> helped the community of racing simulations fans.
>
>
>> What kind of stuff has been said here lately that you can't say on RSC?
>
> RSC is filled up with moderators, strict guidelines, "things you cannot
> mention", sticky threads that are useless, internal wars that are hidden
> to the public, cowardly attitude in front of developpers, etc...
>

Yes, like any police force, it ends up amounting to a bunch of silly
bitches interested only in cutting everyones balls off and making it
impossible to set and maintain any standards. No room for any characters at
all and a place with no character other than that of a bunch of pooftas or
softcocks at best.

As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact
that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at
all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make
usenet access free to their citizens.

I'd also say that Papy's/Kaemer's absense is related. rFactor is
probably a little to chaotic for most peoples liking - hunting down tracks
and cars.

Papy = install and go
rFactor = install and join the endless search/wait for this and that

Not much else worthy of mention other than that all else contribute
further to the thinning/spreading out of simmers and simming in general and
amounting to more chaos.

We need a governing body and centralisation that deliver "WORLD" series!