Is Ford Running on Empty?

Certainly not in the opinion of the majority of new vehicle buyers. They
buy far more from GM and Ford than any import brand.


mike hunt


"JohnR66" > wrote in message
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>> Mike Hunter wrote:
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>>>Better quality? In whose opinion?
>>
>> J.D. Powers, Consumer Reports, Popular Mechanics, Gelco Leasing,
>> dealers that sell both Japanese, American, and Chrysler brands, and
>> even the internal reports of Ford and GM.
>>
>>>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.
>>
>> Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
>> than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
>> also #1 in China, but again, so what? For a business with such large
>> economies of scale as the car industry, worldwide sales matter more,
>> and here GM will soon be overtaken, unless it merges with
>> Renault/Nissan. GM and Ford have got to bring out new best-in-class
>> vehicles, and they haven't been doing that much, GM perhaps not at
>> all.. Rick Wagoner and Bill Ford need to understand, "It's the
>> vehicles, stupid."
>>
> BTW,
> The Fusion and Mustang were ranked best in class by JD Powers. No other
> American makes to be found.
> John
>

If you own a new hemi, if I were you, I would not bet your title that you
will 'walk away' from any old Hemi. LOL

mike hunt


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> 1) The modern 6.1L Hemi is NET rated at what the old 7L Hemi was rated
> in GROSS HP.
>
> 2) And a modern SRT Hemi car will walk any old Hemi car.
>

Mike Hunter wrote:

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>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.

>>Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
>>than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
>>also #1 in China, but again, so what?

>Then how do you explain why the Camry is the number one selling
>car in the US?

I doubt it's all due to quality but also because of performance,
comfort, and resale value. What do you think is the reason?

Most buyers buy what they buy because the believe that is the best buy for
their money. The ONLY Toyota that is the number one seller, in its class is
the Camry, however. Performance? That's funny, 8 out of 10 Camrys sold in
the US are 4cy and way underpowered compared to those of its competitors
that offer V6s for much less money.

mike hunt


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> Mike Hunter wrote:
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>>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.
>
>>>Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
>>>than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
>>>also #1 in China, but again, so what?
>
>>Then how do you explain why the Camry is the number one selling
>>car in the US?
>
> I doubt it's all due to quality but also because of performance,
> comfort, and resale value. What do you think is the reason?
>

ANYTHING is more fun to drive than a 4 cy Camry.

mike

"lymee" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:07:12 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
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>> Most buyers buy what they buy because the believe that is the best buy
>> for
>> their money. The ONLY Toyota that is the number one seller, in its class
>> is
>> the Camry, however. Performance? That's funny, 8 out of 10 Camrys sold
>> in
>> the US are 4cy and way underpowered compared to those of its competitors
>> that offer V6s for much less money.
>>
>> mike hunt
>
> I've had both the 4 and the V6 as rentals and their is a major difference
> in power between the two motors.
> The 4 is a real slug.
> The V6 is a lot better.
>
> However, I still think the high end Corolla model is much more fun to
> drive than the Camry.

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
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> ANYTHING is more fun to drive than a 4 cy Camry.
>

I have a diesel Rabbit...

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
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> Most buyers buy what they buy because the believe that is the best buy for
> their money. The ONLY Toyota that is the number one seller, in its class
> is the Camry, however. Performance? That's funny, 8 out of 10 Camrys
> sold in the US are 4cy and way underpowered compared to those of its
> competitors that offer V6s for much less money.
>
> mike hunt


Kinda like most Mustangs sold huh? LOL


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>> Mike Hunter wrote:
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>>>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.
>>
>>>>Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
>>>>than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
>>>>also #1 in China, but again, so what?
>>
>>>Then how do you explain why the Camry is the number one selling
>>>car in the US?
>>
>> I doubt it's all due to quality but also because of performance,
>> comfort, and resale value. What do you think is the reason?
>>
>
>

Mike Hunter wrote:
> If you own a new hemi, if I were you, I would not bet your title that you
> will 'walk away' from any old Hemi. LOL

Don't laugh. Find me an original road test where a normal production
Hemi car posts a trap speed of 109 mph. You don't have to bother
looking because you won't find any. 105 is it, with most posting trap
speeds closer to 100. And if you've been a subscriber to Hemmings
Muscle Machines magazine you'll have noted a few times where they've
stated the old Hemi cars aren't as fast as the new SRT Hemi cars, or
more like not even close to as fast.

Me... I'd bet the farm on the a new SRT Hemi...

Patrick


> > 1) The modern 6.1L Hemi is NET rated at what the old 7L Hemi was rated
> > in GROSS HP.
> >
> > 2) And a modern SRT Hemi car will walk any old Hemi car.
> >

lymee wrote:
> However, the Mustang, even the V6 is simply more fun to drive.
> It really is.
> I dunno why, I really don't but IMHO it is a more fun ride.
> I think it might be because the Dodge feels *heavy*...

The Dodge is heavy. The Charger is about 4200 pounds.
It is slower than my 1994 Corvette, even though the new
Dodge has about 75 more horsepower.

A V6 Mustang will blow the doors off a Camry with EITHER engine LOL



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> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
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>> Most buyers buy what they buy because the believe that is the best buy
>> for their money. The ONLY Toyota that is the number one seller, in its
>> class is the Camry, however. Performance? That's funny, 8 out of 10
>> Camrys sold in the US are 4cy and way underpowered compared to those of
>> its competitors that offer V6s for much less money.
>>
>> mike hunt
>
>
> Kinda like most Mustangs sold huh? LOL
>
>
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>>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>
> wrote in message
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>>>>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.
>>>
>>>>>Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
>>>>>than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
>>>>>also #1 in China, but again, so what?
>>>
>>>>Then how do you explain why the Camry is the number one selling
>>>>car in the US?
>>>
>>> I doubt it's all due to quality but also because of performance,
>>> comfort, and resale value. What do you think is the reason?
>>>
>>
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