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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used against him
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...31646-sun.html <...> A 76-year-old Pembroke-area man doesn't see himself as a street racer, but the law clearly does. Norman Harding was charged going 50 km/h over the speed limit on Jan. 17. As a result, his car was impounded, his licence was suspended for seven days and he was fined $2,000. Harding feels the new Safer Roads for a Safer Ontario Act was aimed at street racers, not an elderly man in a hurry driving his wife to a non-emergency doctor's appointment. "Hopefully, I can explain to them that I am not this kind of person," said the soft-spoken man of his Feb. 21 court date in Killaloe. Harding was driving on Hwy. 515 toward Pembroke when he passed a truck he said was moving too slowly. He accelerated and moments later saw a cop car. There were sirens and he pulled over. The OPP officer clocked Harding doing 130 km/h in an 80 km/h zone and told him he would be charged. <...> He faces a maximum fine of $10,000. <...> "This legislation was not for the likes of me. I don't drive like that. It's just a case that the truck was pooping along and I passed to get away from him," said Harding. Bob Nichols, a spokesman for the transportation ministry, said the legislation came into effect in September and has three categories for drivers: Driving contest, street racing and stunt driving. Harding falls into the latter. He said the definition of stunt driving is when a driver is going 50 km/h above the limit. <...> ------------------------ As much as I hate these stupid 'tool' laws, there's a certain feeling of justice when one these 'it won't be used against people like me' types has one used against him. His whole defense is that he's not the kind of person this particular law was aimed at... it's comical in a way. |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used againsthim
On Feb 8, 8:05*am, (Brent P) wrote:
> http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...07/4831646-sun.... > > <...> > > *A 76-year-old Pembroke-area man doesn't see himself as a street racer, > but the law clearly does. > > Norman Harding was charged going 50 km/h over the speed limit on Jan. 17. > As a result, his car was impounded, his licence was suspended for seven > days and he was fined $2,000. > > Harding feels the new Safer Roads for a Safer Ontario Act was aimed at > street racers, not an elderly man in a hurry driving his wife to a > non-emergency doctor's appointment. > > *"Hopefully, I can explain to them that I am not this kind of person," > said the soft-spoken man of his Feb. 21 court date in Killaloe. > > Harding was driving on Hwy. 515 toward Pembroke when he passed a truck he > said was moving too slowly. > > He accelerated and moments later saw a cop car. There were sirens and he > pulled over. > > The OPP officer clocked Harding doing 130 km/h in an 80 km/h zone and > told him he would be charged. > > <...> > > He faces a maximum fine of $10,000. > > <...> > > "This legislation was not for the likes of me. I don't drive like that. > It's just a case that the truck was pooping along and I passed to get > away from him," said Harding. > > *Bob Nichols, a spokesman for the transportation ministry, said the > legislation came into effect in September and has three categories for > drivers: Driving contest, street racing and stunt driving. Harding falls > into the latter. > > He said the definition of stunt driving is when a driver is going 50 km/h > above the limit. > > <...> > > ------------------------ > > As much as I hate these stupid 'tool' laws, there's a certain feeling of > justice when one these 'it won't be used against people like me' types > has one used against him. His whole defense is that he's not the kind of > person this particular law was aimed at... it's comical in a way. While totally ignoring the egregious exceedign of the speed limit. You may now argue "but it was safe", "unpderposted limit', etc. Harry K |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used against him
In article >, Harry K wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:05*am, (Brent P) wrote: >> http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...07/4831646-sun.... >> >> <...> >> >> *A 76-year-old Pembroke-area man doesn't see himself as a street racer, >> but the law clearly does. >> >> Norman Harding was charged going 50 km/h over the speed limit on Jan. 17. >> As a result, his car was impounded, his licence was suspended for seven >> days and he was fined $2,000. >> >> Harding feels the new Safer Roads for a Safer Ontario Act was aimed at >> street racers, not an elderly man in a hurry driving his wife to a >> non-emergency doctor's appointment. >> >> *"Hopefully, I can explain to them that I am not this kind of person," >> said the soft-spoken man of his Feb. 21 court date in Killaloe. >> >> Harding was driving on Hwy. 515 toward Pembroke when he passed a truck he >> said was moving too slowly. >> >> He accelerated and moments later saw a cop car. There were sirens and he >> pulled over. >> >> The OPP officer clocked Harding doing 130 km/h in an 80 km/h zone and >> told him he would be charged. >> >> <...> >> >> He faces a maximum fine of $10,000. >> >> <...> >> >> "This legislation was not for the likes of me. I don't drive like that. >> It's just a case that the truck was pooping along and I passed to get >> away from him," said Harding. >> >> *Bob Nichols, a spokesman for the transportation ministry, said the >> legislation came into effect in September and has three categories for >> drivers: Driving contest, street racing and stunt driving. Harding falls >> into the latter. >> >> He said the definition of stunt driving is when a driver is going 50 km/h >> above the limit. >> >> <...> >> >> ------------------------ >> >> As much as I hate these stupid 'tool' laws, there's a certain feeling of >> justice when one these 'it won't be used against people like me' types >> has one used against him. His whole defense is that he's not the kind of >> person this particular law was aimed at... it's comical in a way. > > While totally ignoring the egregious exceedign of the speed limit. > You may now argue "but it was safe", "unpderposted limit', etc. It's not relevant to my point. The point is these stupid tool laws that people think will never be applied to them because they aren't the target group. |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used againsthim
On Feb 8, 11:43*am, Harry K > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:05*am, (Brent P) wrote: > > > > > > >http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...07/4831646-sun.... > > > <...> > > > *A 76-year-old Pembroke-area man doesn't see himself as a street racer, > > but the law clearly does. > > > Norman Harding was charged going 50 km/h over the speed limit on Jan. 17.. > > As a result, his car was impounded, his licence was suspended for seven > > days and he was fined $2,000. > > > Harding feels the new Safer Roads for a Safer Ontario Act was aimed at > > street racers, not an elderly man in a hurry driving his wife to a > > non-emergency doctor's appointment. > > > *"Hopefully, I can explain to them that I am not this kind of person," > > said the soft-spoken man of his Feb. 21 court date in Killaloe. > > > Harding was driving on Hwy. 515 toward Pembroke when he passed a truck he > > said was moving too slowly. > > > He accelerated and moments later saw a cop car. There were sirens and he > > pulled over. > > > The OPP officer clocked Harding doing 130 km/h in an 80 km/h zone and > > told him he would be charged. > > > <...> > > > He faces a maximum fine of $10,000. > > > <...> > > > "This legislation was not for the likes of me. I don't drive like that. > > It's just a case that the truck was pooping along and I passed to get > > away from him," said Harding. > > > *Bob Nichols, a spokesman for the transportation ministry, said the > > legislation came into effect in September and has three categories for > > drivers: Driving contest, street racing and stunt driving. Harding falls > > into the latter. > > > He said the definition of stunt driving is when a driver is going 50 km/h > > above the limit. > > > <...> > > > ------------------------ > > > As much as I hate these stupid 'tool' laws, there's a certain feeling of > > justice when one these 'it won't be used against people like me' types > > has one used against him. His whole defense is that he's not the kind of > > person this particular law was aimed at... it's comical in a way. > > While totally ignoring the egregious exceedign of the speed limit. > You may now argue "but it was safe", "unpderposted limit', etc. > > Harry K Well, it probably was safe. In addition, the gentleman was clearly neither racing nor "stunt driving" whatever the hell that means. (conjures up images of drifting and Evel Kneivel...) nate |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used againsthim
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N8N > wrote: > >Well, it probably was safe. In addition, the gentleman was clearly >neither racing nor "stunt driving" whatever the hell that means. >(conjures up images of drifting and Evel Kneivel...) Stunt driving means "driving in excess of 50 km/h over the posted speed limit". It's an Orwellian redefinition of words, in order to make a new law sound good to the public and the media while actually having a harmful effect. Anyone hearing of the proposed law was intended to think that only "Evel Kneivel" types would be affected, little knowing that 80mph in a 50mph zone while passing a slower vehicle would result in losing thier car. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used against him
In article > , Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article >, > N8N > wrote: >> >>Well, it probably was safe. In addition, the gentleman was clearly >>neither racing nor "stunt driving" whatever the hell that means. >>(conjures up images of drifting and Evel Kneivel...) > > Stunt driving means "driving in excess of 50 km/h over the posted > speed limit". It's an Orwellian redefinition of words, in order to > make a new law sound good to the public and the media while actually > having a harmful effect. > > Anyone hearing of the proposed law was intended to think that only > "Evel Kneivel" types would be affected, little knowing that 80mph in a > 50mph zone while passing a slower vehicle would result in losing thier > car. And even if they do realize that could be the case they'll argue that it would never be applied to an ordinary person. |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used againsthim
On Feb 8, 7:45 pm, (Brent P) wrote:
> In article > , Matthew T. Russotto wrote: > > In article >, > > N8N > wrote: > > >>Well, it probably was safe. In addition, the gentleman was clearly > >>neither racing nor "stunt driving" whatever the hell that means. > >>(conjures up images of drifting and Evel Kneivel...) > > > Stunt driving means "driving in excess of 50 km/h over the posted > > speed limit". It's an Orwellian redefinition of words, in order to > > make a new law sound good to the public and the media while actually > > having a harmful effect. > > > Anyone hearing of the proposed law was intended to think that only > > "Evel Kneivel" types would be affected, little knowing that 80mph in a > > 50mph zone while passing a slower vehicle would result in losing thier > > car. > > And even if they do realize that could be the case they'll argue that it > would never be applied to an ordinary person. Why wouldn't it be applied? All you have to do is read the text of the law. He was doing 78 in a 48 zone. In some places, you are allowed to exceed the SL when passing. Some not. Maybe in that province, you are not. Here in WA, you can, on a two-lane. The law may have been passed as a tool to nail street racers, but that still doesn't mean you can ignore it if you aren't racing. I'd say 80 in a 50 is creeping toward reckless driving. Here, 80 in a *40* will get you nailed with reckless driving. 100 in a 50, same story. Regardless of what you may think about the law, without further information on what sort of road it was, we have no idea how dumb it was to exceed the limit by 30mph. Out here in the hinterlands, it really isn't. But in places closer to towns, it's could very well be dangerous to everyone. E.P. |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used againsthim
On Feb 8, 5:27*pm, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote: > In article >, > > N8N > wrote: > > >Well, it probably was safe. *In addition, the gentleman was clearly > >neither racing nor "stunt driving" whatever the hell that means. > >(conjures up images of drifting and Evel Kneivel...) > > Stunt driving means "driving in excess of 50 km/h over the posted > speed limit". *It's an Orwellian redefinition of words, in order to > make a new law sound good to the public and the media while actually > having a harmful effect. > > Anyone hearing of the proposed law was intended to think that only > "Evel Kneivel" types would be affected, little knowing that 80mph in a > 50mph zone while passing a slower vehicle would result in losing thier > car. Sort of like Virginia's definition of "reckless driving." got it. nate (doubleplusgood!) |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used against him
In article
>, Harry K > wrote: > On Feb 8, 8:05*am, (Brent P) wrote: > > http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...07/4831646-sun.... > > > > <...> > > > > *A 76-year-old Pembroke-area man doesn't see himself as a street racer, > > but the law clearly does. > > > > Norman Harding was charged going 50 km/h over the speed limit on Jan. 17. > > As a result, his car was impounded, his licence was suspended for seven > > days and he was fined $2,000. > > > > Harding feels the new Safer Roads for a Safer Ontario Act was aimed at > > street racers, not an elderly man in a hurry driving his wife to a > > non-emergency doctor's appointment. > > > > *"Hopefully, I can explain to them that I am not this kind of person," > > said the soft-spoken man of his Feb. 21 court date in Killaloe. > > > > Harding was driving on Hwy. 515 toward Pembroke when he passed a truck he > > said was moving too slowly. > > > > He accelerated and moments later saw a cop car. There were sirens and he > > pulled over. > > > > The OPP officer clocked Harding doing 130 km/h in an 80 km/h zone and > > told him he would be charged. > > > > <...> > > > > He faces a maximum fine of $10,000. > > > > <...> > > > > "This legislation was not for the likes of me. I don't drive like that. > > It's just a case that the truck was pooping along and I passed to get > > away from him," said Harding. > > > > *Bob Nichols, a spokesman for the transportation ministry, said the > > legislation came into effect in September and has three categories for > > drivers: Driving contest, street racing and stunt driving. Harding falls > > into the latter. > > > > He said the definition of stunt driving is when a driver is going 50 km/h > > above the limit. > > > > <...> > > > > ------------------------ > > > > As much as I hate these stupid 'tool' laws, there's a certain feeling of > > justice when one these 'it won't be used against people like me' types > > has one used against him. His whole defense is that he's not the kind of > > person this particular law was aimed at... it's comical in a way. > > While totally ignoring the egregious exceedign of the speed limit. > You may now argue "but it was safe", "unpderposted limit', etc. > > Harry K I can't make any specific statements about its safety, but I do know that many roads in Ontario that are posted at 80 are safe to drive at quite a bit above that in good conditions. And it is certainly better to complete a passing maneuver quickly and decisively. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
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76 year old man *SHOCKED* that 'street racer' law used against him
While totally ignoring the egregious exceedign of the speed limit.
You may now argue "but it was safe", "unpderposted limit', etc. Harry K HUH?!? This was KILOMETERS we're talking about. ~30MPH over the limit (briefly) to complete a pass safely? ****, I should have had my car impounded many thousands of times by now... What's much more dangerous are the ****tards that insist on waiting till the passing lane is almost ending, then insist on trying to pass you at (speed limit plus 5 or 10). If you're going to pass, PASS, dammit. I don't see that this man did anything wrong. Looks like the law needs to be re-worked a bit. He wasn't doing anything dangerous, or even out of the ordinary. -Dave |
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