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> Got through the panic of buying snow tires
> (just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and > using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for storage. living in Wisconsin.... bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. huh? dave |
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dave wrote:
> > Got through the panic of buying snow tires > > (just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and > > using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for > storage. > > > living in Wisconsin.... > bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of > weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. > huh? Not a good idea. Cheap steel wheels and good Blizzaks on all four corners works best. Putting extra weight in the trunk just adds inertia to a slide. If you're going to add *any* weight, put it in the passenger seat. Iva & Belle.) '90B Classic Red.) #3 winkin' Miata with Blizzaks on all four corners |
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That seems a good point, closest thing to 50 / 50 weight distribution is
probably best. I know that there's load transfered forward during braking and that alters the f to b distribution somewhat but I wouldn't think it significant compared to adding the extra inertia. I'm sure that Leon has already got the calculator on it ;-) Chris 99BBB "Iva" .> wrote in message ... > dave wrote: > >> > Got through the panic of buying snow tires >> > (just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and >> > using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for >> storage. >> >> >> living in Wisconsin.... >> bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of >> weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. >> huh? > > Not a good idea. Cheap steel wheels and good Blizzaks on all four corners > works best. Putting extra weight in the trunk just adds inertia to a > slide. If you're going to add *any* weight, put it in the passenger seat. > > Iva & Belle.) > '90B Classic Red.) > #3 winkin' Miata with Blizzaks on all four corners > > |
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I just keep my gas tank full when the snow is coming... "Chris D'Agnolo" > writes: > That seems a good point, closest thing to 50 / 50 weight distribution is > probably best. I know that there's load transfered forward during braking > and that alters the f to b distribution somewhat but I wouldn't think it > significant compared to adding the extra inertia. I'm sure that Leon has > already got the calculator on it ;-) > > Chris > 99BBB > > "Iva" .> wrote in message > ... > > dave wrote: > > > >> > Got through the panic of buying snow tires > >> > (just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and > >> > using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for > >> storage. > >> > >> > >> living in Wisconsin.... > >> bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of > >> weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. > >> huh? > > > > Not a good idea. Cheap steel wheels and good Blizzaks on all four corners > > works best. Putting extra weight in the trunk just adds inertia to a > > slide. If you're going to add *any* weight, put it in the passenger seat. > > > > Iva & Belle.) > > '90B Classic Red.) > > #3 winkin' Miata with Blizzaks on all four corners > > > > > > -- Scott Streeter http://www.wpi.edu/~ss/ |
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I put four Toyo Observe (Garit HT) on mine (Blizzaks were sold out for
miles around when I got the idea (after talking a 270 degree turn when I need only a simple left hand turn on the "summer" tires). I did a lot of research, and these seem to come out near the top. With already one snow storm and one ice/snow storm, they worked pretty good with almost equal performance of dry road to the Turanza's (original equipment for 2005's). But it is only the start of winter in the Northeast! Tomorrow 40 degrees....top down!!!! Iva wrote: > dave wrote: > > >>>Got through the panic of buying snow tires >>>(just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and >>>using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for >> >>storage. >> >> >>living in Wisconsin.... >>bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of >>weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. >>huh? > > > Not a good idea. Cheap steel wheels and good Blizzaks on all four corners > works best. Putting extra weight in the trunk just adds inertia to a > slide. If you're going to add *any* weight, put it in the passenger seat. > > Iva & Belle.) > '90B Classic Red.) > #3 winkin' Miata with Blizzaks on all four corners > > |
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this may be true, but...
the added weight in the trunk allows the rear treads to bite deeper, helping to stop the sliding. If the treads dont bite the tires dont work. right? david |
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"Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote:
>That seems a good point, closest thing to 50 / 50 weight distribution is >probably best. I know that there's load transfered forward during braking >and that alters the f to b distribution somewhat but I wouldn't think it >significant compared to adding the extra inertia. I'm sure that Leon has >already got the calculator on it ;-) Not really. Some things do not require a calculator. Even if the sack of salt (or whatever) was on the roof and the wheelbase 3 feet, how many g's of acceleration would you reach on iced roads? And how is a 50 lb bag of salt going to affect a 2650 lb car measurably, whatever wheels it may be put on? Scott's advice to just keep his gas tank full is good, but I have a better one. Just wear very, *very*, heavy clothes. Note that much of this weight will be very high above the ground and press down on both axles. It really helps! Leon >Chris >99BBB > >"Iva" .> wrote in message ... >> dave wrote: >> >>> > Got through the panic of buying snow tires >>> > (just any snow tire would not do...."it is the ride stupid" ... and >>> > using my wife's car to carry the four originals back home for >>> storage. >>> >>> >>> living in Wisconsin.... >>> bought all season goodyear eagle hp ultra plus tires and 70lbs of >>> weight in trunk seems to work ok for snow. >>> huh? >> >> Not a good idea. Cheap steel wheels and good Blizzaks on all four corners >> works best. Putting extra weight in the trunk just adds inertia to a >> slide. If you're going to add *any* weight, put it in the passenger seat. >> >> Iva & Belle.) >> '90B Classic Red.) >> #3 winkin' Miata with Blizzaks on all four corners >> >> > -- Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) |
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Not really. Some things do not require a calculator. Even if the
sack of salt (or whatever) was on the roof and the wheelbase 3 feet, how many g's of acceleration would you reach on iced roads? And how is a 50 lb bag of salt going to affect a 2650 lb car measurably, whatever wheels it may be put on? ------- are you saying that xtra weight over the drive wheels doesnt work in snow? dave |
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In article . com>,
"dave" > wrote: > are you saying that xtra weight over the drive wheels doesnt work in > snow? What he's saying is that 50 pounds is not enough to make much difference one way or the other. It works, but not in the way you want it to work. It also increases the mass that must be accelerated, turned, and stopped, in the most detrimental location, without adding any more grip to the front tires. Since grip does not increase proportionately to mass, adding weight is a net loss. This is why the old saw "heavy cars hold the road better" is bunk. It's why most of the vehicles you see in ditches are SUVs. Instead of salt, carry a bag of kitty litter or sand. At least you'll have something you can throw under the rear tires if you get stuck. If you don't want to get stuck in the first place, buy winter tires. -- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html |
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What he's saying is that 50 pounds is not enough to make much
difference one way or the other. It works, but not in the way you want it to work. It also increases the mass ---------- what about the 4x4 trick of reducing air pressure in tires to improve traction? does that work on miatas? dave |
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