New Vette has HP:)

"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> Michael Johnson wrote:
>> corky wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>>>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>>>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>>>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been
>>>> given the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette
>>>> or Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to
>>>> redesign the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>>>
>>>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
>>>> cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>>>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>>>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming
>>>> to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>>>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>>>
>>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
>>> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why
>>> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed
>>> of sound?
>>
>> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car we
>> drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
>> that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
>> more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
>> could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
>> having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
>> also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
>> especially torque, in day to day driving.
>
>
>
> It's not so much the speed, but how quickly you reach it.
> AFAIK, there's no law that limits how fast you can accelerate, provided
> that you do not cause danger to other traffic or pedestrians etc.
> In many places it's illegal to do burnouts however...
>
> Jan

I WISH THAT WERE TRUE!

Having been the recipient of at least one Exhibition of Speed ticket, I can
assure you, you are mistaken... :-(

My Name Is Nobody wrote:
> "Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Michael Johnson wrote:
>>> corky wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>>>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>>>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>>>>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>>>>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>>>>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been
>>>>> given the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette
>>>>> or Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to
>>>>> redesign the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
>>>>> cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>>>>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>>>>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming
>>>>> to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>>>>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>>>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
>>>> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why
>>>> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed
>>>> of sound?
>>> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car we
>>> drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
>>> that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
>>> more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
>>> could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
>>> having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
>>> also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
>>> especially torque, in day to day driving.
>>
>>
>> It's not so much the speed, but how quickly you reach it.
>> AFAIK, there's no law that limits how fast you can accelerate, provided
>> that you do not cause danger to other traffic or pedestrians etc.
>> In many places it's illegal to do burnouts however...
>>
>> Jan
>
> I WISH THAT WERE TRUE!
>
> Having been the recipient of at least one Exhibition of Speed ticket, I can
> assure you, you are mistaken... :-(


What was the documented reason for the ticket?
The vehicle must be under the driver's full control, meaning no
drifting, or loss of tire grip. Simple tire spin while going straight
has been enough to warrant a ticket, since the tire was no longer in
constant contact with the pavement and thus not under teh driver's
control.. lame.

With no wheelspin, the remaining 'valid' reason would be general
endangering of other traffic. That's kind of hard to beat, and cops back
home liked to use that a lot. If you can prove there was no other
traffic...

Anyway, the laws and their interpretations vary.


Jan

"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>> "Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Michael Johnson wrote:
>>>> corky wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current
>>>>>>>> engine
>>>>>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>>>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>>>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>>>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>>>>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>>>>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been
>>>>>> given the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD
>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>> or Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to
>>>>>> redesign the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
>>>>>> cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>>>>>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>>>>>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global
>>>>>> warming
>>>>>> to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>>>>>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>>>>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
>>>>> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at?
>>>>> Why
>>>>> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the
>>>>> speed
>>>>> of sound?
>>>> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car
>>>> we
>>>> drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
>>>> that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
>>>> more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
>>>> could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
>>>> having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
>>>> also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
>>>> especially torque, in day to day driving.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not so much the speed, but how quickly you reach it.
>>> AFAIK, there's no law that limits how fast you can accelerate, provided
>>> that you do not cause danger to other traffic or pedestrians etc.
>>> In many places it's illegal to do burnouts however...
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>> I WISH THAT WERE TRUE!
>>
>> Having been the recipient of at least one Exhibition of Speed ticket, I
>> can
>> assure you, you are mistaken... :-(
>
>
> What was the documented reason for the ticket?
> The vehicle must be under the driver's full control, meaning no drifting,
> or loss of tire grip. Simple tire spin while going straight has been
> enough to warrant a ticket, since the tire was no longer in constant
> contact with the pavement and thus not under teh driver's control.. lame.
>
> With no wheelspin, the remaining 'valid' reason would be general
> endangering of other traffic. That's kind of hard to beat, and cops back
> home liked to use that a lot. If you can prove there was no other
> traffic...
>
> Anyway, the laws and their interpretations vary.
>
>
> Jan

I only play a lawyer on TV...

A person commits the offense of speed racing on a highway if, on a highway
or other premises open to the public in this state, the person drives a
vehicle or participates in any manner in, or organizes or aids in
organizing, any of the following in which a vehicle is involved:
(a) A speed competition or contest.
(b) An acceleration contest.
(c) A test of physical endurance.
(d) An exhibition of speed or acceleration.
(e) The making of a speed record.
(f) A race. For purposes of this paragraph, racing is the use of one or more
vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance or prevent another vehicle
from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or
vehicles or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long
distance driving routes.

(g) A drag race. For purposes of this paragraph, drag racing is the
operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating
speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other, or the operation
of one or more vehicles over a common selected course, from the same point
to the same point for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power
of acceleration of the vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time
limit.

(2) The offense described in this section, speed racing on a highway, is a
Class A traffic violation, unless the person drives a vehicle in committing
the offense. If the person drives a vehicle in committing the offense, the
offense is a Class A misdemeanor.

"Exhibition of speed" shall mean a willful act of showing off or displaying
a dangerous or imprudent speed in a vehicle on a highway where the presence
of another person is known to the driver or may be reasonably anticipated by
the driver. In order to constitute an exhibition of speed under this
chapter, there must be at least two spectators present at the event.

"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
>I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine block
>used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just about all
>the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and they would
>need a new block or go with forced induction to get much more. Looks like
>they have gone the blower route. Now what are all those Chevy guys going
>to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a blower to make power? LOL!
>

Right!

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Merry Christmas, or whatever is PC here.

Al

From Michael Johnson, on 12/23/2007 7:34 PM:
> corky wrote:
>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in
>> most states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to
>> look at? Why not something you can run through it's paces without
>> breaking the speed of sound?
>
> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car
> we drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance
> available that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human
> nature to want more than we need. Another good example is our
> computers. Most of us could still get by with an original Pentium
> and AMD K7 processor but having something faster than we need is just
> irresistible. You would also be surprised how often you can enjoy an
> excess of horsepower, and especially torque, in day to day driving.

The fun factor is definitely a plus. But there are many times when not
having quick acceleration is limiting or dangerous -- sometimes it's
just needed. And you can always make a fast car go slow, but you can't
make a slow car go fast.

-mb