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Hey, I'm going to be attending college in Fairbanks, Alaska next year,
and I just bought a truck that should handle pretty well in snowy conditions. For those interested, it is a used 2000 GMC Sierra Ext. Cab K1500 4x4 with a little over 70,000 miles. It's also my first vehicle, and since I'll probably have it for long time, I'd like to make some modifications (duh!). What I want to know is, with FREEZING conditions in mind, what engine modifications should I make, and what shouldn't I make? I already know I'm going to need an engine preheater of some sort, what exactly I'm not sure, because it gets at most -20 degrees fahrenheit in the winter, and can get as cold as -60 degrees I've heard grill inserts help your engine warm up faster, but I'm not too confident in the idea; particularly the part where, after the engine is nice and toasty, how does the insert effect my air intake? Any suggestions for modifications would be really helpful right now, and the sooner the better. I leave in less than two months and I would like to have it all done before I head up. Thanks in advance! |
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I have gotten along very well with electrical block warmers.
I also used what we called a 'coupe warmer', which was just an appropriate electrical heater inside the car. This makes it a lot more pleasant, helps keep ice and water out of the interior, and helps keep the doors from freezing up. It was not so expensive to retrofit this kind of equipment last time I checked. Some people swear by synthetic oil, and it is probably a good measure as well. I used it one one car, but not on the other. Neither ever gave me problems, but our temperatures were not usually as cold as what you might experience. It was seldom lower than -15 to -25C. |
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Engine block heater, an interior electrical heater, preferably with a multi-speed fan [the type that plugs into your cigarette lighter works well and is moveable, which is good feature]. Lightweight oil in the crank, say a very good 5w30. Good A/Fmix, fresh, and mixed for the general temperatures you will drive in. Ranges are usually on the A/F bottles. Drain and refill [don't flush] trans, transfer case and rear end with good synthetic oil [if recommended or suggested by manuf.]. Lube all points under car, such as linkages, cable ends, etc. Clean off the starter and battery contacts well. Insulate the battery. May be a good idea to also replace the thermostat with a higher temp. rating than stock. Keep around and use gas line AF, or carb-cleaner to put into gas tank to help remove moisture from gas system. Once you are up there, you may want to do more, but by then you should know some people who may have some suggestions for ya, since they drive up there daily. Actually, at -20, most cars don't need that much in the short-term, but better to get it done than have a no-start condition, ya know? Good luck in School!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Knifeblade_03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Knifeblade_03's Profile: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...?userid=262826 View this thread: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=587152 http://www.automotiveforums.com |
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Like others have mentioned, a block heater for starts. I think the ones
that fit into a 'frost' plug are the best, but lots of folks like the ones that go into the rad hose because it is supposed to circulate fluid better by convection. A battery blanket (electric blanket) and/or a trickle charger permanently mounted to the battery to keep the battery warm. All these can be on a timer set to go off a couple hours before you plan on leaving. They do draw a lot of power. I found 2 hours on a 350 GM engine at -40 is about what's needed. Colder, add more time. I really don't like interior electric heaters. I think they cause too much condensation which freezes up doors or door trims. All your door trim rubbers should be sprayed down with silicone spray to stop them from sticking to the frame. If your door sticks shut and you yank on the door handle at -45 or colder, it is likely to just snap off in your hand and the trim will shred. Have seen that happen a few times.... Keep lock deicer outside the vehicle! They sell small ones that fit into inside coat pockets. ;-) Having super clean and dry locks seems to be the best. If anything folks that had to have 'something' in them only used graphite. Messy, but they didn't seem to freeze up. Best is to not have anything inside to steal and leave them unlocked. Lots of folks use a summer and a different winter mix on the antifreeze because the winter mix might cause overheating in the hot summer traffic if you go south. The rad blockers help you have interior heat, you just have to open them as it gets warmer out. Gear oil is pretty much a solid at -45 and 10W30 oil will come out in a blob if you squeeze the bottle upside down, then suck back up into the bottle when you stop squeezing. A standard tranny will go forward in neutral when you let the clutch out just because the gear oil is so thick. Synthetics are nice then.... And just because electricity isn't always available, I used to carry either a cheap hibachi or like my buddy, carried a steel garbage can lid and charcoal briquettes. You can light up the BBQ, then once the coals are hot, you slide it under the oil pan. This will warm up the engine and engine bay amazingly fast and give you a start. You have to watch where you put it, but after a long day ice fishing or skiing or coming out from camping, you really want the truck to go.... We would get one running, all pile in to warm up while the BBQ was doing the next engine. They get so cold a boost won't even work. Good luck in College! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) wrote: > > Hey, I'm going to be attending college in Fairbanks, Alaska next year, > and I just bought a truck that should handle pretty well in snowy > conditions. For those interested, it is a used 2000 GMC Sierra Ext. Cab > K1500 4x4 with a little over 70,000 miles. It's also my first vehicle, > and since I'll probably have it for long time, I'd like to make some > modifications (duh!). > > What I want to know is, with FREEZING conditions in mind, what engine > modifications should I make, and what shouldn't I make? I already know > I'm going to need an engine preheater of some sort, what exactly I'm > not sure, because it gets at most -20 degrees fahrenheit in the winter, > and can get as cold as -60 degrees > > I've heard grill inserts help your engine warm up faster, but I'm not > too confident in the idea; particularly the part where, after the > engine is nice and toasty, how does the insert effect my air intake? > > Any suggestions for modifications would be really helpful right now, > and the sooner the better. I leave in less than two months and I would > like to have it all done before I head up. > > Thanks in advance! |
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> wrote in message oups.com... > Hey, I'm going to be attending college in Fairbanks, Alaska next year, > and I just bought a truck that should handle pretty well in snowy > conditions. For those interested, it is a used 2000 GMC Sierra Ext. Cab > K1500 4x4 with a little over 70,000 miles. It's also my first vehicle, > and since I'll probably have it for long time, I'd like to make some > modifications (duh!). > > What I want to know is, with FREEZING conditions in mind, what engine > modifications should I make, and what shouldn't I make? I already know > I'm going to need an engine preheater of some sort, what exactly I'm > not sure, because it gets at most -20 degrees fahrenheit in the winter, > and can get as cold as -60 degrees > > I've heard grill inserts help your engine warm up faster, but I'm not > too confident in the idea; particularly the part where, after the > engine is nice and toasty, how does the insert effect my air intake? > > Any suggestions for modifications would be really helpful right now, > and the sooner the better. I leave in less than two months and I would > like to have it all done before I head up. > > Thanks in advance! > I lived for 13 years where low temp was minus 30 F. I used a radiator hose heater and a battery heater ( this was inserted under battery) Had them on a timer. 2 hours before going to work. Used 10-30 oil. Drove real slow for first 1/2 mile to churn up gear boxes oil. Never had a problem. 289 ci engine. WW |
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Good points, Mike, re door trim and lock deicer!! And, as Warren said, think of cold fluids at start-up, drive-train fluids are susceptible to cold, Jeff has mentioned this. The mechanical premise they are saying, is that, even with warmed engine, non-drive, the rest of the power train remains very cold. Due to the heavier viscosities these down-site trasmission and drives use, the thicker they get. Sort of like moving a spoon into heavy mollasses [ just a simple analogy, lol]. Do check with folks you meet up there, or even some of our colder-weather respondents, to get more info. What we all replied was good. And again, good luck in school, but I truly wonder why a Fairbanks University??!!. LOL. -- Knifeblade_03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Knifeblade_03's Profile: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...?userid=262826 View this thread: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=587152 http://www.automotiveforums.com |
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"Mike Romain" > wrote in message ... > All these can be on a timer set to go off a couple hours before you plan > on leaving. They do draw a lot of power. I found 2 hours on a 350 GM > engine at -40 is about what's needed. Colder, add more time. We had electrical outlets in the parking lots, looking a lot like parking meters. We just left them connected all the time. > I really don't like interior electric heaters. I think they cause too > much condensation which freezes up doors or door trims. I know what you mean. Actually, when you get in the car with ice and snow on your shoes, there is little way to keep the inside of the car condensation free. I had envisioned, at one time, developing an electrolytic dehumidifier, but gave it up when I left Norway. I am, by the way, moving back there in a month or two. Silicone spray on the gaskets of the doors DOES help a lot. My doors, however, tended to freeze up internally if I did not use the coupe warmer. I guess the grease got stiff, or something. There were some days when the ice would form on the inside of the windows, even with the heater and defroster running. When it is that cold, dehumidification, or a blowtorch, is the only relief. |
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Ralf Ballis wrote:
> wrote: > > > What I want to know is, with FREEZING conditions in mind, > > what engine modifications should I make, and what > > shouldn't I make? I already know I'm going to need an > > engine preheater of some sort, what exactly I'm not sure, > > because it gets at most -20 degrees fahrenheit in the > > winter, and can get as cold as -60 degrees > > The most important task to do is to adjust antifreeze for > this temperature. You also can insulate your battery by > polystyrene. And change to the right viscosity range oil ASAP as you get there. Up that way, wind chills are the hardest on cars; they soak every last bit of heat out of an engine in just a couple hours, so also look for wind protected places to park. Ideally a garage but ... up against a building is also pretty useful sometimes. Blankets over the grill etc. are useless - don't even bother with that kind of thing. Water jacket and oil heaters are good, in that order, to keep a car starting. We get almost as cold winters here in far upstate NY and the heaters are the best. Avoid the dipstick types IF you have the time & means, and go for the internal elements types. Make sure the electrical connections are EASY to get at. At 30 below and a windy day, you're going to hate opening the hood and digging around for the plug. Get one that mounts where you cna reach it easily and just push an extension cord onto it. Mine is sort of hidden under the hood/wiper arms area of the car. Keep an extra cord in the car. Pop > > > I've heard grill inserts help your engine warm up faster, > > but I'm not too confident in the idea; particularly the > > part where, after the engine is nice and toasty, how does > > the insert effect my air intake? > > This thinks are very common and no problem with air intake, > but don't forget to remove it if temperature rising to > prevent overheating. > > Regards, > > Ralf |
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