2006 Miata

In article >,
pltrgyst > wrote:

> You're getting extra low-end torque by means of a turbo? Patent that sucker!

Dyno charts:
http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno.asp

--
Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:18:43 GMT, Lanny Chambers > wrote:

>In article >,
> pltrgyst > wrote:
>
>> You're getting extra low-end torque by means of a turbo? Patent that sucker!
>
>Dyno charts:
>http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno.asp

Look at both sets -- it looks like the low-end torque boost is coming from the
addition of the ECU and other add-ons, not the turbo, which shouldn't be doing
anything at low revs.

I guess you could set an ECU up to control a turbo as well, and have it spooled
up at low engine rpms, but then you'd run very inefficiently, and might as well
have a supercharger.

-- Larry

In article >,
pltrgyst > wrote:

> Look at both sets -- it looks like the low-end torque boost is coming from the
> addition of the ECU and other add-ons, not the turbo, which shouldn't be doing
> anything at low revs.

What's your point? To run more than 5 or 6 psi means installing an
aftermarket ECU of some sort, so it's hardly a separate issue. The FM
turbos spool up pretty much as fast as you can put your foot
down--there's essesntially no turbo lag. This is not some riceboy
backyard DIY project; it's a well-developed kit, with excellent
drivability. The dyno plots show an increase from 35 to 50 lb-ft at 2000
rpm, which is not a trivial improvement.

> might as wellhave a supercharger.

That would be my choice anyway. Check out the sick torque curve on the
Uber 3.

--
Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Tex wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:40:23 GMT, "tooloud" >
> wrote:
>
>> People sure complain a lot about the fancier bits on newer Miatas,
>> but you don't see many people buying stripper models.
>
> One reason is they are hard to find.
>
> When I went looking for a Club Spec it was like looking for a needle
> in a haystack. Oh sure they had plenty of those up a notch with air...

I'd just go to the nearest dealer and tell him what I want. They can order
anything.

> I received an email from a fellow out of the Mazda headquarters in
> Irvine, Ca. He gave me a list of 6 Club Spec's (without air) located
> in California. I finally drove the four hours after emailing and
> talking on the phone to the salesman.
>
> The new and younger salesman (greeter) let it slip during the deal how
> they were going to be glad to sale this one...cause it didn't even
> have air! As the deal was as good as wrapped I told him with a chuckle
> that was why I wanted it and it was most likely the deal maker along
> with the 5-spd.
>
> Now if it had crank windows, maybe window wings, and no radio I
> wouldn't have bothered holding out for a fair price for my 2002 base
> miata trade-in.

Crank windows are a pain because they require awkward leans to operate.
Window wings are something I associate with GM pickups from the early '80s,
and I think fun cars are even more fun with music. YMMV.

--
tooloud
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Leon van Dommelen wrote:
> "tooloud" > wrote:
>
>> Exactly--some people just like to have something to bitch about.
>
> No??! You surprise me.
>
>> People sure complain a lot about the fancier bits on newer Miatas,
>> but you don't see many people buying stripper models.
>
> Actually, if I would have had a choice, I would not have bought 90% of
> the fancy stuff. The way Mazda has set it up, if you need AC and
> cruise control, and seats suitable for extended driving, GT here you
> come. Even if you drop all of them and buy base, you still get lots
> of junk.

Slight correction: you still get lots of things, almost all of which are
standard on other cars, too. I mean, how many cars are even available
without power windows, locks, mirrors, etc. these days?

The base models just don't sell, and I, for one, am perfectly content with
that. All of my other vehicles have lots of options and I'm not one of those
guys that associates "fun sports car" with "uncomfortable".

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tooloud
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"tooloud" > wrote in message
news:kZJbg.954366$x96.868778@attbi_s72...
> Tex wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:40:23 GMT, "tooloud" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> People sure complain a lot about the fancier bits on newer Miatas,
>>> but you don't see many people buying stripper models.
>>
>> One reason is they are hard to find.
>>
>> When I went looking for a Club Spec it was like looking for a needle
>> in a haystack. Oh sure they had plenty of those up a notch with air...
>
> I'd just go to the nearest dealer and tell him what I want. They can order
> anything.
>
>> I received an email from a fellow out of the Mazda headquarters in
>> Irvine, Ca. He gave me a list of 6 Club Spec's (without air) located
>> in California. I finally drove the four hours after emailing and
>> talking on the phone to the salesman.
>>
>> The new and younger salesman (greeter) let it slip during the deal how
>> they were going to be glad to sale this one...cause it didn't even
>> have air! As the deal was as good as wrapped I told him with a chuckle
>> that was why I wanted it and it was most likely the deal maker along
>> with the 5-spd.
>>
>> Now if it had crank windows, maybe window wings, and no radio I
>> wouldn't have bothered holding out for a fair price for my 2002 base
>> miata trade-in.
>
> Crank windows are a pain because they require awkward leans to operate.
> Window wings are something I associate with GM pickups from the early
> '80s, and I think fun cars are even more fun with music. YMMV.
>
> --

I don't recall ever wishing I had power windows in my '96 (bought new).

The great thing about window wings (vent windows) was if you smoked. You
could hold that cigarette near the open vent window and nearly all the smoke
would vent out. You could also flick the ash anywhere near the window and
it would get sucked out.

On Sat, 20 May 2006 19:19:44 GMT, "tooloud" >
wrote:

>Tex wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:40:23 GMT, "tooloud" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> People sure complain a lot about the fancier bits on newer Miatas,
>>> but you don't see many people buying stripper models.
>>
>> One reason is they are hard to find.
>>
>> When I went looking for a Club Spec it was like looking for a needle
>> in a haystack. Oh sure they had plenty of those up a notch with air...
>
>I'd just go to the nearest dealer and tell him what I want. They can order
>anything.
>

I went to the dealer I bought the 2002 from...they said it would take
six months and even then it might not be the one without air...so much
for that...

>> I received an email from a fellow out of the Mazda headquarters in
>> Irvine, Ca. He gave me a list of 6 Club Spec's (without air) located
>> in California. I finally drove the four hours after emailing and
>> talking on the phone to the salesman.
>>
>> The new and younger salesman (greeter) let it slip during the deal how
>> they were going to be glad to sale this one...cause it didn't even
>> have air! As the deal was as good as wrapped I told him with a chuckle
>> that was why I wanted it and it was most likely the deal maker along
>> with the 5-spd.
>>
>> Now if it had crank windows, maybe window wings, and no radio I
>> wouldn't have bothered holding out for a fair price for my 2002 base
>> miata trade-in.
>
>Crank windows are a pain because they require awkward leans to operate.
>Window wings are something I associate with GM pickups from the early '80s,
>and I think fun cars are even more fun with music. YMMV.

I had a couple 323's without air and no radio.....yes my YMMV does
indeed. I think my window wing association dates back to the 50s &
60s.

On Sat, 20 May 2006 16:03:07 -0500, "Frank Berger"
> wrote:

>
>The great thing about window wings (vent windows) was if you smoked. You
>could hold that cigarette near the open vent window and nearly all the smoke
>would vent out. You could also flick the ash anywhere near the window and
>it would get sucked out.

I do smoke and wings would be nice for that reason. Also without A/C
it was nice to direct the air flow.

On Sat, 20 May 2006 18:28:19 GMT, Lanny Chambers > wrote:

>> might as wellhave a supercharger.
>
>That would be my choice anyway. Check out the sick torque curve on the
>Uber 3.

Me too. On that we agree. I've owned one turbo, and would never even think of
owning another, especially if I thought I might take that vehicle to the track
or an autocross venue.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:

> You're getting extra low-end torque by means of a turbo? Patent that sucker!
>
> -- Larry


I can't patent it, it is not my design. If you think that my car does
not have more low-end torque now than it did stock, you are welcome to
take it for a drive and be proven wrong.

I'll bet $5000.00 against your $50.00 that the low-end torque has
increased by a considerable margin. We can even take it to a dyno if you
want, but then I will want $500.00 of your money. :-)

Pat