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Old January 16th 12, 07:37 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
twk
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

Just a short story I'd like to share.

I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.

The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
from them, so they won't send him the tune.

Now I can see American Muscle's point of nanner-nanner you didn't buy
the SCT device from us, HOWEVER a CAI _was_ bought from them, and it
requires a tune.

I expected the SCT people to stand behind the free tunes for life
through their dealers that handle their products. Not _THE_ dealer you
bought the product from. Nowhere on American Muscle's web site does it
say free tunes for life but only if you buy the tuner here. No one's web
site who sells the tuner says that.

He's PO'd and sending the CAI back to American Muscle. No tune, no CAI.
He's buying from the local shop for only a few bucks more. Pretty much
better for everyone anyway... Except American Muscle looses a sale.

I'm not trying to pick on American Muscle, I suppose all the SCT
distributors will do the same thing. I just didn't expect this.

Sell a product that requires a tune, but refuse to supply the tune.

I didn't see anywhere on <http://www.sctflash.com/> where you could
order a tune based on:
I bought device X for car A, and car A has the following mods...

Oh, well. Live and learn. He still gets a CAI and a free tune.

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Old January 17th 12, 05:03 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
john stachlewicz
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

On Jan 16, 6:37*pm, twk > wrote:
> Just a short story I'd like to share.
>
> I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
>
> The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> from them, so they won't send him the tune.
>
> Now I can see American Muscle's point of nanner-nanner you didn't buy
> the SCT device from us, HOWEVER a CAI _was_ bought from them, and it
> requires a tune.
>
> I expected the SCT people to stand behind the free tunes for life
> through their dealers that handle their products. Not _THE_ dealer you
> bought the product from. Nowhere on American Muscle's web site does it
> say free tunes for life but only if you buy the tuner here. No one's web
> site who sells the tuner says that.
>
> He's PO'd and sending the CAI back to American Muscle. No tune, no CAI.
> He's buying from the local shop for only a few bucks more. Pretty much
> better for everyone anyway... Except American Muscle looses a sale.
>
> I'm not trying to pick on American Muscle, I suppose all the SCT
> distributors will do the same thing. I just didn't expect this.
>
> Sell a product that requires a tune, but refuse to supply the tune.
>
> I didn't see anywhere on <http://www.sctflash.com/> where you could
> order a tune based on:
> I bought device X for car A, and car A has the following mods...
>
> Oh, well. Live and learn. He still gets a CAI and a free tune.
>
> --
> For all you know this message was...
> Sent via an exclusive network, on a snobby portable computing device.


I don't remember SCT ever offering "Free Tunes for Life". I do
however remember American Muscle offering tunes for life.. Started
right after they bought out/hired/whatever they did, with Doug at
Bama.. perhaps you were mistaken on who was actually offering the
tune for life?

Also, i think SCT only sells basic tunes for stock vehicles... ??? If
you need a custom tune for your CAI, then I think you need to get it
from a reseller... I think some CAI manufactures will bundle things
together...

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Old January 17th 12, 10:47 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
biofilm
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"


"twk" > wrote in message
...
> Just a short story I'd like to share.
>
> I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
>
> The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> from them, so they won't send him the tune.


hard to see why a tune "needs to know" if there is a cold air intake or not.

after all, the air temp sensor has that nailed, also the maf.


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Old January 18th 12, 06:37 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
twk
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

In article
>,
john stachlewicz > wrote:

> On Jan 16, 6:37*pm, twk > wrote:
> > Just a short story I'd like to share.
> >
> > I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> > will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> > it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
> >
> > The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> > and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> > from them, so they won't send him the tune.
> >
> > Now I can see American Muscle's point of nanner-nanner you didn't buy
> > the SCT device from us, HOWEVER a CAI _was_ bought from them, and it
> > requires a tune.
> >
> > I expected the SCT people to stand behind the free tunes for life
> > through their dealers that handle their products. Not _THE_ dealer you
> > bought the product from. Nowhere on American Muscle's web site does it
> > say free tunes for life but only if you buy the tuner here. No one's web
> > site who sells the tuner says that.
> >
> > He's PO'd and sending the CAI back to American Muscle. No tune, no CAI.
> > He's buying from the local shop for only a few bucks more. Pretty much
> > better for everyone anyway... Except American Muscle looses a sale.
> >
> > I'm not trying to pick on American Muscle, I suppose all the SCT
> > distributors will do the same thing. I just didn't expect this.
> >
> > Sell a product that requires a tune, but refuse to supply the tune.
> >
> > I didn't see anywhere on <http://www.sctflash.com/> where you could
> > order a tune based on:
> > I bought device X for car A, and car A has the following mods...
> >
> > Oh, well. Live and learn. He still gets a CAI and a free tune.
> >
> > --
> > For all you know this message was...
> > Sent via an exclusive network, on a snobby portable computing device.

>
> I don't remember SCT ever offering "Free Tunes for Life". I do
> however remember American Muscle offering tunes for life.. Started
> right after they bought out/hired/whatever they did, with Doug at
> Bama.. perhaps you were mistaken on who was actually offering the
> tune for life?
>
> Also, i think SCT only sells basic tunes for stock vehicles... ??? If
> you need a custom tune for your CAI, then I think you need to get it
> from a reseller... I think some CAI manufactures will bundle things
> together...


When I bought mine a year ago or so, many places were advertising free
tunes for life. I didn't check every where but I was sure all the places
I checked were. The still seem to be. But I was excited about this and
possibly read into it what I wanted.

Oops, I should have said my buddy bought his from a similar local shop.
Not the same local shop. He lives about 40 miles from me.

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  #5  
Old January 18th 12, 07:34 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
twk
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

In article >,
"biofilm" > wrote:

> "twk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just a short story I'd like to share.
> >
> > I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> > will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> > it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
> >
> > The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> > and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> > from them, so they won't send him the tune.

>
> hard to see why a tune "needs to know" if there is a cold air intake or not.
>
> after all, the air temp sensor has that nailed, also the maf.


One thing I love about American Muscle, they have answers:
<http://www.americanmuscle.com/cai-faq-answer-popup.html>
<http://www.americanmuscle.com/why-tune-required-cai-popup.html>

Crap, an incomplete example from AM. There is much more to it than that.
Well, maybe someone can provide a link to the following. I hope I get
this right:

First off, all the CAI's I've looked at reuse your stock mass air flow
sensor.

With an aftermarket free flowing intake path, your stock mass air flow
sensor can saturate, meaning more air will be flowing past it than it
can sense. This can cause a lean burn situation, damaging your engine. A
tune will "re-curve" the software controlling your MAF sensor and
prevent this from happening.

Some aftermarket intakes are not much better than stock, but look good,
sound great, and don't require a tune. Some people like the looks and
new sound from those parts and that's fine for them. It's less expensive
too.

But if you shop around you'll see some cold air intakes _require_ a tune
because they _will_ damage your engine by causing a lean burn condition
if you don't re-tune your car. You'll gain much more power from one of
these tune-required intakes too.

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Old January 18th 12, 08:14 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
twk
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

In article >,
twk > wrote:

> In article >,
> "biofilm" > wrote:
>
> > "twk" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Just a short story I'd like to share.
> > >
> > > I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> > > will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> > > it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
> > >
> > > The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> > > and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> > > from them, so they won't send him the tune.

> >
> > hard to see why a tune "needs to know" if there is a cold air intake or not.
> >
> > after all, the air temp sensor has that nailed, also the maf.

>
> One thing I love about American Muscle, they have answers:
> <http://www.americanmuscle.com/cai-faq-answer-popup.html>
> <http://www.americanmuscle.com/why-tune-required-cai-popup.html>
>
> Crap, an incomplete example from AM. There is much more to it than that.
> Well, maybe someone can provide a link to the following. I hope I get
> this right:
>
> First off, all the CAI's I've looked at reuse your stock mass air flow
> sensor.
>
> With an aftermarket free flowing intake path, your stock mass air flow
> sensor can saturate, meaning more air will be flowing past it than it
> can sense. This can cause a lean burn situation, damaging your engine. A
> tune will "re-curve" the software controlling your MAF sensor and
> prevent this from happening.
>
> Some aftermarket intakes are not much better than stock, but look good,
> sound great, and don't require a tune. Some people like the looks and
> new sound from those parts and that's fine for them. It's less expensive
> too.
>
> But if you shop around you'll see some cold air intakes _require_ a tune
> because they _will_ damage your engine by causing a lean burn condition
> if you don't re-tune your car. You'll gain much more power from one of
> these tune-required intakes too.


Found a link from Ford Racing for the v6 intake. Others are similar.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11129
It says, in BOLD type:
Calibration is necessary to prevent engine damage! Calibration not
included!

Still not the link I saw not long ago, but you get the idea I hope.

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Old January 18th 12, 12:32 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
john stachlewicz
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"

On Jan 17, 4:47*pm, "biofilm" > wrote:
> "twk" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Just a short story I'd like to share.

>
> > I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live. They
> > will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine loved
> > it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.

>
> > The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
> > and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT tuner
> > from them, so they won't send him the tune.

>
> hard to see why a tune "needs to know" if there is a cold air intake or not.
>
> after all, the air temp sensor has that nailed, also the maf.


It's the MAF housing that's important... if you chance the size of the
housing or flow characteristics you need to tune for it...
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Old January 19th 12, 06:32 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
biofilm
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Default SCT "Free Tunes for Life"


"twk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> twk > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "biofilm" > wrote:
>>
>> > "twk" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Just a short story I'd like to share.
>> > >
>> > > I bought my SCT X3/XF3 tuner from a local shop near where I live.
>> > > They
>> > > will update my tuner for life. No problem there. A buddy of mine
>> > > loved
>> > > it and did the same thing, bought his from the same local shop.
>> > >
>> > > The friend of mine then bought a cold air intake from American Muscle
>> > > and they won't send him a tune for the CAI. He didn't buy the SCT
>> > > tuner
>> > > from them, so they won't send him the tune.
>> >
>> > hard to see why a tune "needs to know" if there is a cold air intake or
>> > not.
>> >
>> > after all, the air temp sensor has that nailed, also the maf.

>>
>> One thing I love about American Muscle, they have answers:
>> <http://www.americanmuscle.com/cai-faq-answer-popup.html>
>> <http://www.americanmuscle.com/why-tune-required-cai-popup.html>
>>
>> Crap, an incomplete example from AM. There is much more to it than that.
>> Well, maybe someone can provide a link to the following. I hope I get
>> this right:
>>
>> First off, all the CAI's I've looked at reuse your stock mass air flow
>> sensor.
>>
>> With an aftermarket free flowing intake path, your stock mass air flow
>> sensor can saturate, meaning more air will be flowing past it than it
>> can sense. This can cause a lean burn situation, damaging your engine. A
>> tune will "re-curve" the software controlling your MAF sensor and
>> prevent this from happening.
>>
>> Some aftermarket intakes are not much better than stock, but look good,
>> sound great, and don't require a tune. Some people like the looks and
>> new sound from those parts and that's fine for them. It's less expensive
>> too.
>>
>> But if you shop around you'll see some cold air intakes _require_ a tune
>> because they _will_ damage your engine by causing a lean burn condition
>> if you don't re-tune your car. You'll gain much more power from one of
>> these tune-required intakes too.

>
> Found a link from Ford Racing for the v6 intake. Others are similar.
> http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11129
> It says, in BOLD type:
> Calibration is necessary to prevent engine damage! Calibration not
> included!
>
> Still not the link I saw not long ago, but you get the idea I hope.
>


Sounds right to me, airflow and MAF is fussy stuff, it may get fussy at low
temp or high temp.
stay away from lean !! more HP there but so is DET.

related: I remember some problems with how the air tube went to the MAF,
if there was sharp bend near it, the cal would be thrown off, also some
issue with the lenght of tube on both sides of the MAF, and inside the 1993
5.0 at least there is a screen that tends to strighten//smooth the airflow
out before it hits the MAF sensor. Some take the screen out, for more
airflow, but that makes the engine surge under some conditions.


 




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