Stick a fork in it: r.a.s. is done

Mitch_A wrote:
> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim
> Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was bound
> to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability. Without it
> any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current state of Sim
> Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small cliques that know
> each other and drive respectably towards one another. Enter the nameless
> faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is currently sim
> racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the migration away
> from RAS imo.
>
> Mitch


no its idiots like you and papadoc spewing your propaganda BS allover
the boards. get a clue.

Steve Smith wrote:

> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it
> with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or
> Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or
> Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American
> soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et cetera.
> This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual
> interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks it's
> time to move on.
>
>
yep, used to be the best. Then Mitch arrived!

> To all ??simulator?? companies other than Papy I say this - YOU'RE
> ****ING USELESS! To this day there is one company in the racing simulator
> genre that can do multiplayer code - FFS!
>
> Simbin so far can't even offer dedicated server support or even a proper
> results file. And the replay functionality is pathetic. Can't wait for the
> big May patch - LOL. What number we up to? 1.1 --> 1.2 --> 1.21 -->
> .23 --> 1.3 .......................................... Thanks for the alpha
> **** Simbin.
>
> No wonder we talk so much **** - what else is there to do 'til FIRST is
> up and running?

I hate to agree with such a post but it is so true! It often amazes me
what these companies do?!? If we were writing a Sim game we all know what
we want. Papy knew what we wanted. The net code in the early games was
better than GTR is now!

I have only played GTR on a lan, the 'jolt' as
someone joins is well inexcusable. LFS never had that problem. No other
game I know of has that problem. Counter Strike anyone? Maybe we can do a
Half-Life mod that lets you drive the cars.

So we are left with EA. Well that game looks like it was dead before it
got here. Shame, so much promised so little delivered.

rFactor is looking amazing. Guys if you are listening. Great work. How
about giving me a single seater to drive around with?? I really can't wait
for this game..

First.. Well they know how to start a hate war against them. Will the game
be any good, only time will tell. Will anyone buy it? Probably. (You know
you will when nothing else has really filled the gap and Nascar 2003 is
looking at tad old)

RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time
there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing in
particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text forum
is a tad old school.

If you want to have some fun racing get in a league. I am Nascar'ing at
the moment over at www.v8thunder.com. Great bunch of guys. Only way to
race online is a closed community. Happens in 'real' racing too. Just go
Karting at a random track one weekend. People run you off the road.

Time to move on. But the small race games are the way forward I think. The
big players are all on consoles. So unless you want GT4 with sub 5 min
laps round the ring, let's support them..


Scott

I tend to agree, Steve.

I've been a "member" of RAS since (at least) April 1998...possibly
earlier...and there was negligible extraneous posting.
Any crap that was posted invariably had something to do with simulations
(ICR2, NASCAR2, GPL, GP2, GP3 et al) or real-life motor sport and not much
else....certainly nothing about religious terrorism, Viagra or Britney
Spears (thank Christ!).

Nowadays I might check into RAS every couple of days, whereas back when it
was all Geoff Crammond and Papyrus I'd be here every day.

Not any more; it's become a bit like a run-down pub which once-upon-a-time
was your favourite hangout but now you think twice about going there.

Bruce.

"Steve Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it

Scott Rixon wrote:
....
> RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time
> there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing in
> particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text forum
> is a tad old school.

No slam against RSC, but I'd take the newsgroup format over a web based
forum any day, broadband or not. With ones favorite news reader, you
can sort, find, apply filters or rules, download quicker and save a
bunch of time in general. Some better web forums have some flexibility,
but none that I've seen come close to even the most basic news reader
software. Sure you can put pictures on the web forums, but that is a
double edge sword especially with all the useless signature pictures
people use. Ugh!

I think the demise (or supposed demise) of this group is not due to the
format but the fact that it is not moderated and/or (as other's have
said), that idiots are encouraged by getting replys to their posts.

Okay, now I'll go back to having fun with LFS S2 alpha ...

Russell

This newsgroup will always be the home of sim racing because it will
never disappear. RSC and the like are great for a lot of reasons but even
they were off the wire not long back.

As far as the off topic stuff goes - well, that's usenet - the price of
freedom. A small price to pay for a place where people can come and tell it
like it really is If you can work out the **** from the gold then you see
that this place truely is a treasure that will never suffer from old women
moderators or moderators with agendas/biases. Participation in the off topic
is optional as well.


"RWKeating" > wrote in message
...
> Scott Rixon wrote:
> ...
>> RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time
>> there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing
>> in
>> particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text
>> forum
>> is a tad old school.
>
> No slam against RSC, but I'd take the newsgroup format over a web based
> forum any day, broadband or not. With ones favorite news reader, you can
> sort, find, apply filters or rules, download quicker and save a bunch of
> time in general. Some better web forums have some flexibility, but none
> that I've seen come close to even the most basic news reader software.
> Sure you can put pictures on the web forums, but that is a double edge
> sword especially with all the useless signature pictures people use. Ugh!
>
> I think the demise (or supposed demise) of this group is not due to the
> format but the fact that it is not moderated and/or (as other's have
> said), that idiots are encouraged by getting replys to their posts.
>
> Okay, now I'll go back to having fun with LFS S2 alpha ...
>
> Russell

"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
m...
> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim
> Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was
> bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability.
> Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current
> state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small
> cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another.
> Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is
> currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the
> migration away from RAS imo.
>

I think it will be this very issue that FIRST will tackle. The open
servers via Sierra needed policing as does Simbin's though who cares, so
far, about the latter.

Come to think of it, this is one of my personal views towards what a
modern **sim** is - first rate, policed multiplay. So I therefore view
Sierra and Simbin servers as kids games rather than worthy of **sim**
status. Good for a laugh though.

artie beamer wrote:

> no its idiots like you and papadoc spewing your propaganda BS allover
> the boards. get a clue.

Or people who post inflammatory comments which will start arguments?

Get a clue....

Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's taking place in
SIM releases right now.

The worst thing that EVER happened to us was the damned Console.

-Larry

"Steve Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it
> with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or
> Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or
> Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American
> soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et
> cetera.
> This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual
> interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks
> it's
> time to move on.
>
>

This is why I liked TEN so much.

It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is
almost useless.

They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as
well as LPI and rank.

Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few
people care about what happens there in online races.

-Larry

"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
m...
> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim
> Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was
> bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability.
> Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current
> state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small
> cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another.
> Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is
> currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the
> migration away from RAS imo.
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "Steve Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it
>> with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or
>> Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or
>> Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American
>> soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et
>> cetera.
>> This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual
>> interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks
>> it's
>> time to move on.
>>
>>
>
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