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Death to ethanol!
It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It should be abolished. P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. BBC; 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the world. A drought and heatwave across the US has destroyed much of the country's corn crop, driving up prices. The US argues that producing much of its own fuel, rather than importing it, is good for the country. The latest forecasts from the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) suggest that this year's corn yield - the amount produced per acre - will be the lowest since 1995-6. Total production will be the lowest for six years, it forecast, due to the extreme heat and dryness. As a result, the USDA is predicting further rises in prices. It now thinks farm prices for corn will average $7.50-$8.90 per bushel, a sharp rise on the $5.40-$6.40 per bushel it predicted just a month ago. Writing in the Financial Times, the director general of the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), Jose Graziano da Silva, said suspension of the quota would allow more of the crop to be diverted for food production. "The worst drought for 50 years is inflicting huge damage on the US maize crop, with serious consequences for the overall international food supply. "The situation reminds us that even the most advanced agricultural systems are subject to the vagaries of the weather, leading to volatility in supplies and prices, not just on domestic markets, but also internationally." Cheaper fuel Concerns about the impact of the dry weather in the US pushed maize prices up by 23% in July, according to the latest FAO food price index. But the US Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said the biofuels standard was having a positive impact on the country. "It is impacting in a positive way the cost of gasoline in this country - some estimates put it at 25 cents to as much as $1.30 less for gas because we have a biofuel industry. "There are jobs connected to that industry and less reliance on foreign oil. The question is: Is the market responding to concerns about supply and the answer is yes. "Exports are down just a bit and ethanol production is down from between 10% and 30%, depending on the part of the country." By law, 13 billion gallons of biofuel must be produced in the US this year. The country's Renewable Fuel Standard, as the law is known, was designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and dependence on imported oil. It has long been controversial, with many blaming the quota for pushing up corn prices. The United Nations is not alone in calling for the quota to be suspended. Livestock producers in the US, worried about the cost of cattle feed, also want it scrapped and the governments of China, India and France have expressed concerns about the policy. |
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Death to ethanol!
On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad > foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine > components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It > should be abolished. > P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own locally with sugar cane. > BBC; > > 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET > US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says > > The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to > suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. > Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a > quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the > world. (sniP) Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate change scam. |
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Death to ethanol!
On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote:
> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >> should be abolished. >> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. > > The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with > environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. > > Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & > economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in > the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for > Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck > with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own > locally with sugar cane. > Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane plantations all over Louisiana. > >> BBC; >> >> 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET >> US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says >> >> The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to >> suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. > >> Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a >> quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the >> world. > (sniP) > > Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate > change scam. > > |
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Death to ethanol!
On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote:
> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote: >> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >>> should be abolished. >>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. >> >> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with >> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. >> >> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & >> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in >> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for >> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck >> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own >> locally with sugar cane. >> > > Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three > sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane > plantations all over Louisiana. It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong. >> >>> BBC; >>> >>> 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET >>> US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says >>> >>> The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to >>> suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. >> >>> Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a >>> quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the >>> world. >> (sniP) >> >> Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate >> change scam. >> >> > |
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Death to ethanol!
On 8/11/2012 10:20, Brent wrote:
> On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote: >> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote: >>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >>>> should be abolished. >>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. >>> >>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with >>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. >>> >>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & >>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in >>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for >>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck >>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own >>> locally with sugar cane. >>> >> >> Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three >> sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane >> plantations all over Louisiana. > > It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong. > Mayor of Sugarland Texas on line three for you.... |
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Death to ethanol!
"WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote in message ... > On 8/11/2012 10:20, Brent wrote: >> On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote: >>> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote: >>>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >>>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >>>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >>>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >>>>> should be abolished. >>>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. >>>> >>>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with >>>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. >>>> >>>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & >>>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in >>>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for >>>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is >>>> stuck >>>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their >>>> own >>>> locally with sugar cane. >>>> >>> >>> Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three >>> sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane >>> plantations all over Louisiana. >> >> It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong. >> > > > Mayor of Sugarland Texas on line three for you.... Sugarland Texas is and has been part of urban Houston for decades. |
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Death to ethanol!
"Brent" > wrote in message ... > On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >> should be abolished. >> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. > > The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with > environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. > > Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & > economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in > the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for > Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck > with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own > locally with sugar cane. Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII. |
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Death to ethanol!
On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote:
> > "Brent" > wrote in message > ... >> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >>> should be abolished. >>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. >> >> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with >> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. >> >> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & >> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in >> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for >> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck >> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own >> locally with sugar cane. > > Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My > grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII. Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an energy loss with corn ethanol. |
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Death to ethanol!
"Brent" > wrote in message ... > On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote: >> >> "Brent" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: >>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad >>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine >>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It >>>> should be abolished. >>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. >>> >>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with >>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. >>> >>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & >>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in >>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for >>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck >>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own >>> locally with sugar cane. >> >> Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My >> grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII. > > Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane > ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process > to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an > energy loss with corn ethanol. No experience with sugar beets other than folk saying they used them to 'brew' ethanol during WWII to run their vehicles. I know sugar cane works. Right now I'm playing with duel fuel gas/CNG and diesel/CNG conversions. |
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Death to ethanol!
On Aug 11, 8:08*pm, Brent > wrote:
> On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Brent" > wrote in message > ... > >> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote: > >>> It is of no value. *It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad > >>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. *It scours engine > >>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. *It > >>> should be abolished. > >>> P.S. Enviroqueers; *Lead by example, STOP DRIVING. > > >> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with > >> environmentalists. *It has to do with big business and the corn lobby. > > >> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy & > >> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in > >> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for > >> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck > >> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own > >> locally with sugar cane. > > > Can't? *Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. *Also sugar beets. *My > > grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII. > > Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane > ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process > to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an > energy loss with corn ethanol. Anyone who thinks ethanol, from whatever source is FREE or cheap is INSANE and CLUELESS about the energy USED to produce it. |
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