Sim Racing Software Pricing

Online Racer wrote:

> If you
> look at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least
> using the same multi player code.

How is that a bad thing? It's still the best of anything I've played
(not that rFactor or LFS have bad netcode).

If you want to hate iRacing for some uninformed political reasons go
ahead, but any discussion on the quality of the product itself is
speculation.

"jason moyer" > wrote in message
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> Online Racer wrote:
>
>> If you
>> look at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least
>> using the same multi player code.
>
> How is that a bad thing? It's still the best of anything I've played
> (not that rFactor or LFS have bad netcode).
>
> If you want to hate iRacing for some uninformed political reasons go
> ahead, but any discussion on the quality of the product itself is
> speculation.

What are you and Mike smoking tonight? :-)

I expect they will improve their net code, but their old multi code doesn't
compare to rFactor. If you took a poll....


--
David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
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>
> I expect they will improve their net code, but their old multi code
> doesn't compare to rFactor. If you took a poll....
>

In what ways - features, functionality or both?

I'll admit that I haven't had a lot of experience with rFactor multi. The
few times that I've had time to fire it up and attempt online have been
dismal though. Mainly finding a race that I could actually join because I
didn't have this mod or that track.

"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Horton" > wrote in message
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>> "Online Racer" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> jason moyer wrote:
>>>> Online Racer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iracing ? Good lord , Just rehashed Nascar 2003 with the old GPL
>>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> That's as valid as saying rFactor is just rehashed F1 Challenge with
>>>> the old Sportscar GT engine, i.e. not really at all.
>>>>
>>> Except that rF has a new physics engine and multi player code. If you
>>> look at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least
>>> using the same multi player code.
>>
>> Makes sense. When you have the best multi player code out there why
>> change it to something else?
>
> You're kidding right? rFactor's is miles ahead. You are the only person
> I've heard try to claim otherwise.
>
>
> --
> David G Fisher
>

Mike Horton wrote:
> I'll admit that I haven't had a lot of experience with rFactor multi. The
> few times that I've had time to fire it up and attempt online have been
> dismal though. Mainly finding a race that I could actually join because I
> didn't have this mod or that track.

That is a somewhat different issue though. The Papy on line code was
great for its time and it has taken a remarkable amount of time for
others to catch up. However, the warp factor required clean racing to
have a different approach than real racing as driving close could end up
in a warp crash. rFactor pretty much eliminates that and for saloons
allows a degree of contact that is pretty realistic in effect, such that
a small error and resulting tap doesn't end up with a car spiralling
over a barrier.

GT Legends is less capable of handling larger numbers but also allows
for some door handle rubbing as befits the series.

rFactor seems pretty capable of handling large grids although I believe
it is more CPU intensive than NR2003.

Hopefully rFactor will get its killer mods (such as the 79 mod) which
will consolidate the complexity of joining races and give us some
greater stability.

Before the recent mods for rfactor I had sidelined it, but now it is
looking really strong with some great updates from ISI and the
aforementioned community mods.

It is hard to be tough on mods provided for free, but some of the early
rFactor mods did not do it justice, whilst the recent development seem
to be untapping the potential and I hope we end up with just a few
rising to to the top and not being subject to constant revisions and
third party physics patches.

Cheers
Tony

Price has NOT been the reason for any Sim failure.

It's always other reasons.

-Larry


"Tony Rickard" > wrote in message
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> It maybe just my impression but it seems to me sim racers are prepared to
> pay quite significant sums for hardware but are penny pinchers when it
> comes to software! Wheels and pedals, gear changers, cockpits plus the
> inevitable PC hardware upgrades in terms of cpus, graphics cards, memory
> and screens are typical products a sim racing enthusiast is looking at.
>
> Unlike other genres there is not a steady flow of titles being released. A
> typical console gamer will fill up a shelf in months that a sim racer
> takes many years to fill.
>
> 2006 has seen only NetkarPro and the Hudson rFactor add ons that I can
> think of. Both of which have been at the receiving end of certain sim
> racers vitriol for ripping us off.
>
> Now we all know that NKPro was hardly a model of release management, yet I
> was surprised how many on RSC took a view that it wasn't just the lack of
> communication that was the issue but that they had been conned (and
> getting very vocal about it). I have made some bad gaming choices over the
> years with other genres to take a view that sim racing software is very
> good value such that if the investment in NKPro doesn't pay off then so be
> it. Hopefully though it will bear fruit in the future, then we will feel
> we played our part.
>
> As for Hudson Kerr's updates, my view is here is a guy who is looking to
> bring professional updates in addition to the hobby groups. Quite frankly
> I don't think he is going to get mega rich at our expense. Yet if he can
> turn his day job into working on sim racing updates then it has to be to
> our benefit in terms of quality and speed of production and we can then
> choose if we think it is of sufficient value.
>
> On the basis rFactor is now a year old, sprucing it up with some excellent
> updates whilst we wait for a new version seems a reasonable approach.
>
> Of course there is also some excellent free stuff for rFactor, but I can
> vouch for Hudson's work as being at the absolute top end of anything that
> has been produced, so you know where you stand if you are looking for the
> best. If you have upgraded to a mid or top end graphics card to improve
> the visuals by being able to increase resolution, AA or in game detail
> then it is a relatively small cost.
>
> My concern is that if we don't support new ventures like NKPro or Hudson's
> updates then the already niche group of suppliers of our products will
> become even more niche and it will limit our options. The same goes for
> ISI and Simbin. Their approach is continual evolution of their products.
> They will not seem like quantum leaps yet they need a steady income stream
> to survive, which require our continual investment. Having experienced the
> drought of products when Papyrus stopped producing open wheel sims due to
> financial pressures we should be aware of the consequences.
>
> Cheers
> Tony

Interesting! Where did you hear this? I'd like to read up on it.

-Larry


"Online Racer" > wrote in message
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> Iracing ? Good lord , Just rehashed Nascar 2003 with the old GPL engine.

So, the best MP code that's ever been written is somehow invalidated because
it's a few years old?

Logical. NOT. (Pun intended )

-Larry

"Online Racer" > wrote in message
t...

> Except that rF has a new physics engine and multi player code. If you look
> at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least using
> the same multi player code.

Larry, come one. There's no way in hell it's the best multi code. It was,
but it's not even close now.


--
David G Fisher


"Larry" > wrote in message
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> So, the best MP code that's ever been written is somehow invalidated
> because it's a few years old?
>
> Logical. NOT. (Pun intended )
>
> -Larry
>
> "Online Racer" > wrote in message
> t...
>
>> Except that rF has a new physics engine and multi player code. If you
>> look at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least
>> using the same multi player code.
>
>

Ditto David

Honestly.. I can't even understadn the argument here. There isn't one.
GPL was great for it's TIME
rFactor netcode is miles above it though. 7 years of gpl tells that for
fact.
endo


"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
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> Larry, come one. There's no way in hell it's the best multi code. It was,
> but it's not even close now.
>
>
> --
> David G Fisher
>
>
> "Larry" > wrote in message
> news:uoGIg.4390$_q4.2182@dukeread09...
>> So, the best MP code that's ever been written is somehow invalidated
>> because it's a few years old?
>>
>> Logical. NOT. (Pun intended )
>>
>> -Larry
>>
>> "Online Racer" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>
>>> Except that rF has a new physics engine and multi player code. If you
>>> look at Iracings propaganda you will see that they are at the very least
>>> using the same multi player code.
>>
>>
>
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