1.8T Oil issue -- cost

The 1.8T in Passats have a factory oil capacity of 3.9 quarts - all other
1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with
lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8
with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.

"Rex B" > wrote in message
...
> We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice.
> Can anyone elaborate on this?
>
> On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, (Libby) wrote:
>
> ||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T
> ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the
> ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue.
> ||
> ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
> ||
> ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm
> ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is
> ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their
> ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
> ||
> ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
> ||
> ||Thanks for any help,
> ||Libby
>
> Texas Parts Guy

Mistakes, what mistakes? All 1.8t turbo's in Germany had synthetic and
required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only
recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t
owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil
in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10
Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs
synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.


"Libby" > wrote in message
om...
> sd > wrote in message
>...
> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby

"Biz" > wrote in message >...
> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
> is juat a fool.

"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
regular oil.

[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
is *just* a fool]

Libby

"Will" > wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
> Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
> break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
> understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
> suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
> has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
> a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
> put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
> that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
> could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
> wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
> oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
> warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
> If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
> for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
> place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
> be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.

Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
educated.

Libby

Libby wrote:

> "Will" > wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
>>break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
>>understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
>>suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
>>has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
>>a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
>>put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
>>that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
>>could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
>>wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
>>oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
>>warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
>>If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
>>for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
>>place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
>>be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
> answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
> now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
> educated.
>
> Libby

Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble
when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm
on your position!

In article >,
"Woodchuck" > wrote:

> I think VW only
> recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
> cost($20) of getting the oil changed.

And so here is your proof ...

sd

sd wrote:
> In article >,
> "Woodchuck" > wrote:
>
>
>>I think VW only
>>recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
>>cost($20) of getting the oil changed.
>
>
> And so here is your proof ...
>
> sd


LOL

Libby wrote:

> "Biz" > wrote in message >...
>
>>easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
>>long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>>decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
>>is juat a fool.
>
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group.

I didn't see him claim to be.

--
Mike Smith

The letter I got for my Passat 1.8T specifies 5k/6mos.

"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> Libby wrote:
>
> >The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> >bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> >to me by the manufacturer
>
> The car was delivered to you by the dealer I presume. Not by the
> manufacturer. So you have a case with the dealer in the first place,
> no?
>
> >-- synthetic oils were not part of the
> >maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> >*additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> >likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> >oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart.
>
> Ok. Your maintenance cost increased.
>
> >To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> >changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> >failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
>
> Do you have Audi warranty or a third party warranty? 5k miles and 6
> mos does not at all sound like VW/Audi's service plan. There have been
> numerous threads in the recent past asking the famous oil question and
> if it would be ok to go as far as 30.000 km between oil changes. That
> is what VW/Audi recommends in many cars now.
>
> Who issued these notices? VW, Audi or the dealer?
>
> Did you ask Audi or VW about their opinion? You could just sell the
> car if it's too expensive for you now.
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

Note:
I'm not a moderator (and wouldn't want to be)

A valid fact that should be pointed out is that the synthetics have a
greater "cleaning" action than the dino oils and you "MAY" develop some
minor seepage seal depending on the age of your engine and the amount to the
varnish/wax/sludge buildup.

If you do change from dino to synthetic oil you should change filters early
a couple times and watch for seepage. I would change filters (only) every
1000 miles x 2 or 3 then resume your regular schedule or perhaps extend the
schedule somewhat. I have gone from every 3000 to every 5000 miles in my
2.7tQ which is still less than the Audi recommended 10,000 miles but then I
run my cars until they can no longer be fixed.

If you do get seepage you can choose to live with it, switch to a higher
weight oil (questionable with turbos) or revert to dino oil. There is no
danger to revert and the seals will be "recoated" soon enough.

One final point.... If your warranty requires it you have to do it or risk a
very expensive repair bill. I am not sure what they do for cars that have
been maintained for several years on dino oil,per the manual, and then
develop problems.


"Libby" > wrote in message
om...
> "Biz" > wrote in message
> >...
>> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about,
>> as
>> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the
>> manufacturer
>> is juat a fool.
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
> your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
> have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
> regular oil.
>
> [Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
> is *just* a fool]
>
> Libby