NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed

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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but
> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty
> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-
> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have
> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly
> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder under
>>> the
>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car from a
>>> two
>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done
> that
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought
> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let
>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a
> Miata
>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a Kenne
>>> Bell
>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it is
>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at
> the
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in it.
>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0
>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
> friggin'
>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
> conjure
>>> up
>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The car
>>> grows
>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is a
>>> much
>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have the
> same
>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get past
>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name
>>> thing.
>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang is a
>>> huge
>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much
>>> history
>>>> as the Corvette
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you. When
>> you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When you're sixty
>> years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking. Both the Corvette
>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the
> longer
>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>
>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of low
>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something radical
>>> like
>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no need
> for
>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's
>>>> excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of roles
>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and, in
> the
>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>
> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight.

Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.

wrote:
> On Oct 24, 9:02 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a
>> set of DD's full of man made junk any day.
>
> I could not agree more! What a waste. Too bad they don't realize
> most guys are MUCH more concerned with ass and legs.

I figured anyone that likes fake boobs must be into blowup dolls too.

wrote:
> On Oct 24, 9:02 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups
>> over a set of DD's full of man made junk any day.
>
> I could not agree more! What a waste. Too bad they don't realize
> most guys are MUCH more concerned with ass and legs.
>
> Patrick

Tout l'ensemble.

--
Frank ess

Michael Johnson > wrote in
:

> wrote:
>> On Oct 23, 8:25 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>
>>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had
>>>> your 4- door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and
>>>> Fairmonts. What's in a name?
>>
>>> When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather
>>> have sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a
>>> Mustang?
>>
>> Ummmm....ummmm....ahhh.... ummmm... depends how each of them are set-
>> up. Top choice: Any of the first three with a tightened up chassis,
>> some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a
>> rompin' V8 under the hood.
>
> If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands
> down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market
> tweaks of that magnitude.

Michael, you are always talking about how potent the mod motors are with
only a few tweaks, especially how easy it is to simply change the pulley
on the blown motors for an extra whatever horsepower. Why not apply
those thoughts here?

>> I love sleepers!
>
> You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on
> the street:
>
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg
>
> Here is an under hood shot:
>
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...6/engine3a.jpg
>
> I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I
> can remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears
> and then in third pull away from them like they were standing still.
> Then at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I
> would get from the drivers were priceless.

As awesome as your car is, I don't know that I'd call it a sleeper.
It's obviously a 5.0, and with the newer wheels, it's all that hard to
tell that someone's gotten in there and "done stuff".

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but
>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-
>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have
>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly
>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
under
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car from
a
>>>> two
>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done
>> that
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought
>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market
to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room
let
>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a
>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
Kenne
>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it
is
>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at
>> the
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in
it.
>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0
>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>> friggin'
>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>> conjure
>>>> up
>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The car
>>>> grows
>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is a
>>>> much
>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have the
>> same
>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get
past
>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name
>>>> thing.
>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang is
a
>>>> huge
>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much
>>>> history
>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you. When
>>> you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When you're sixty
>>> years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking. Both the
Corvette
>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the
>> longer
>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>
>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of
low
>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something radical
>>>> like
>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no need
>> for
>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's
>>>>> excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of
roles
>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and, in
>> the
>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>
>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight.
>
> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.

Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing invitation. I
use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill. Simply
awesome.

Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in
> :
>
>> wrote:
>>> On Oct 23, 8:25 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had
>>>>> your 4- door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and
>>>>> Fairmonts. What's in a name?
>>>> When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather
>>>> have sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a
>>>> Mustang?
>>> Ummmm....ummmm....ahhh.... ummmm... depends how each of them are set-
>>> up. Top choice: Any of the first three with a tightened up chassis,
>>> some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a
>>> rompin' V8 under the hood.
>> If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands
>> down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market
>> tweaks of that magnitude.
>
> Michael, you are always talking about how potent the mod motors are with
> only a few tweaks, especially how easy it is to simply change the pulley
> on the blown motors for an extra whatever horsepower. Why not apply
> those thoughts here?

I think we here in this group feel we are more he norm than we really
are. Most people don't seriously modify a car and stick to cosmetic
changes more than meaningful one from a standpoint of performance.
While you can give a Granada the same performance as a Mustang, or
better, why do it when you can have a Mustang for less investment.

>>> I love sleepers!
>> You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on
>> the street:
>>
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg
>>
>> Here is an under hood shot:
>>
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...6/engine3a.jpg
>>
>> I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I
>> can remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears
>> and then in third pull away from them like they were standing still.
>> Then at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I
>> would get from the drivers were priceless.
>
> As awesome as your car is, I don't know that I'd call it a sleeper.
> It's obviously a 5.0, and with the newer wheels, it's all that hard to
> tell that someone's gotten in there and "done stuff".

Wheels get changed all the time. Most people don't even realize I had
to swap out the front spindles and brakes to put on the 2000 GT rims.
Ride height is stock, the hood is stock, tail pipes look stock. If
anything gives it away it would be the cam and very slight blower whine.
Cruising down the road though it comes off as stock with newer rims.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
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> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but
>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-
>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have
>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly
>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
> under
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car from
> a
>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done
>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought
>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market
> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room
> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a
>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
> Kenne
>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it
> is
>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in
> it.
>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0
>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>> conjure
>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The car
>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is a
>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have the
>>> same
>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get
> past
>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang is
> a
>>>>> huge
>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much
>>>>> history
>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>> ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you. When
>>>> you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When you're sixty
>>>> years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking. Both the
> Corvette
>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the
>>> longer
>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>
>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of
> low
>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something radical
>>>>> like
>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no need
>>> for
>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's
>>>>>> excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of
> roles
>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and, in
>>> the
>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight.
>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>
> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing invitation. I
> use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill. Simply
> awesome.

I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had a
house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air
boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We
would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key
Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper
Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and
sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of
people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state
offers. Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from
Mother Nature.

Michael Johnson > wrote in
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> Joe wrote:
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>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1193186694.185363.167230
>> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sporty
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-
>>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have
>>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slightly
>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
>> under
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> a
>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done
>>>> that
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought
>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market
>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room
>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a
>>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
>> Kenne
>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it
>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in
>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0
>>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>>> conjure
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The
>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get
>> past
>>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang
>>>>>>> is
>> a
>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much
>>>>>> history
>>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you.
>>>>> When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When
>>>>> you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking.
>>>>> Both the
>> Corvette
>>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the
>>>> longer
>>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of
>> low
>>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something
>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no
>>>>>>> need
>>>> for
>>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's
>>>>>>> excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of
>> roles
>>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and,
>>>>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight.
>>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>>
>> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing invitation.
>> I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill.
>> Simply awesome.
>
> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had
> a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air
> boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We
> would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key
> Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper
> Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and
> sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of
> people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state
> offers. Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from
> Mother Nature.

You got that right. Most people don't have a clue what the Everglades
or the Keys are all about - nowadays they all think of Disney. But I've
heard that Ft. Lauderdale is now the top gay vacation spot.

Check out any of Tim Dorsey's books (www.timdorsey.com) - he's a pretty
good satirist from Tampa. Writes mostly about over-the-top hijinks in
Florida. Sort of a poor man's Carl Hiaasen if you will.

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>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1193186694.185363.167230
>>> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sporty
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-
>>>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have
>>>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slightly
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
>>> under
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>> a
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought
>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market
>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room
>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a
>>>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
>>> Kenne
>>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in
>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0
>>>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>>>> conjure
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The
>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get
>>> past
>>>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name
>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang
>>>>>>>> is
>>> a
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much
>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you.
>>>>>> When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When
>>>>>> you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking.
>>>>>> Both the
>>> Corvette
>>>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the
>>>>> longer
>>>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of
>>> low
>>>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something
>>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's
>>>>>>>> excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of
>>> roles
>>>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and,
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight.
>>>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>>> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing invitation.
>>> I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill.
>>> Simply awesome.
>> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had
>> a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air
>> boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We
>> would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key
>> Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper
>> Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and
>> sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of
>> people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state
>> offers. Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from
>> Mother Nature.
>
> You got that right. Most people don't have a clue what the Everglades
> or the Keys are all about - nowadays they all think of Disney. But I've
> heard that Ft. Lauderdale is now the top gay vacation spot.
>
> Check out any of Tim Dorsey's books (www.timdorsey.com) - he's a pretty
> good satirist from Tampa. Writes mostly about over-the-top hijinks in
> Florida. Sort of a poor man's Carl Hiaasen if you will.

I'll check it out. Speaking of popular gay spots, my wife and I were
visiting Maine in late August one year and decided to visit some of the
surrounding small towns for site seeing purposes. I can't remember the
town's name but it swells in population every year about that time with
gays. It took me about an hour of walking around to get what was going
on there. Three young guys were walking toward us on the sidewalk and
one was dressed in tight, small shorts, combat boots and a tight
T-shirt. He was the poster boy for what one might think as the
stereotypical gay man. As we got closer I glanced over at him and he
smiled real big and winked at me! I lost it right there and started
laughing. He laughed too.

I spent the next five minutes explaining to my wife what just
transpired. I told her she had better treat me right that day because
in this town I am a hot commodity.... a gay virgin in an overwhelmingly
gay town. I was trophy material for these guys! When we got back to
our friends house and told them about our experience they laughed their
asses off. Evidently that town is known as the San Francisco of the
East Coast in late August. Gays come from all over to stay there for a
couple of weeks. It is so crowded that the locals stay away until they
leave. The town loves it because gays spend money like drunken sailors
while they are there.

"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 9:02 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>
>>> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a
>>> set of DD's full of man made junk any day.
>>
>> I could not agree more! What a waste. Too bad they don't realize
>> most guys are MUCH more concerned with ass and legs.
>
> I figured anyone that likes fake boobs must be into blowup dolls too.

Exactly!