seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul

I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth shank. I
guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common sense..

Carl


"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>
> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
> threaded rod.
>
> Mike
>
> Will Honea wrote:
>>
>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a
>> > > new
>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>> > > replacement
>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> > >
>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to
>> > > the
>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer.
>> > > Cut the
>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
>> > > use a
>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> > > mounting
>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
>> > > slide
>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> > >
>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> > >
>> > > HTH
>> > >
>> > > Carl
>> > >
>> > > > wrote in message
>> > > ps.com...
>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
>> > > > the
>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
>> > > > in
>> > > > first also.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>> > > > transmission
>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
>> > > > try
>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> > > >
>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will
>> > > > be
>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
>> > > > have
>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> > > > their shafts?
>> > > >
>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>> > > > have
>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> > > >
>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> > > > kind
>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>> > > >
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea

I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....

I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
threaded rod.

Mike

Will Honea wrote:
>
> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two bolt
> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain >
> wrote:
>
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM replacement
> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >
> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut the
> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can use a
> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four mounting
> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will slide
> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >
> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ps.com...
> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with the
> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up in
> > > > first also.
> > > >
> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the transmission
> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to try
> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > > >
> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to have
> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > > > their shafts?
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > > >
> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx in advance!
> > > >
>
> --
> Will Honea

Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Earle,
> I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> http://www.billhughes.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> said.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle

Hi Earle,
And one of the television car/truck rebuild series I was, suggest
we buy a car lift, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Earle,
> > I've never been that good at aligning. I use dummies:
> > http://www.billhughes.com/temp/dummies.jpg Never use the transmission
> > bolt to pull it in as that bend the disk. Besides for this reason there
> > always a wooden or plastic dowel supplied with the the disk as Mike
> > said.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> > >
> > > Earle

Hi Mike,
I like to put the trans in two gears, locking the input so I may
rock it back and forth to find the spline. In neutral it just hangs.
Turning the output shaft in gear doesn't work as well for me.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder to
> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>
> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
> threaded rod.
>
> Mike

That reminds me most of the drag strips I when to through the
sixties, used dirt pit areas, and the height of the car for weight
transfer was high enough we just crawl underneith swap transmission is
about ten minutes. Many of those four speeds came from the new cars lots
without even jacking the car up.
That God for naugahyde seats, probably another reason there are no
more muscle cars.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>
> Earle

Now we know who hunted those innocent Naugas into extinction !


"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> That reminds me most of the drag strips I when to through the
> sixties, used dirt pit areas, and the height of the car for weight
> transfer was high enough we just crawl underneith swap transmission is
> about ten minutes. Many of those four speeds came from the new cars lots
> without even jacking the car up.
> That God for naugahyde seats, probably another reason there are no
> more muscle cars.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Of course the best option is a polished concrete floor and a transmission
>> jack. That is what they use in the magazines, the guys with the $50,000
>> worth of shop equipment to work on two cars.
>>
>> Earle

LOL
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Now we know who hunted those innocent Naugas into extinction !

> Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
> properly.

I've had a trans slip while reinstalling it. No fun having that on your
chest, it'd probably kill you if it fell on your head.

You can discount the POS BA 10/5 there, I think. Pulled the tc, then
used both hands to slide mine back. Once it cleared the input shaft,
I used one hand to pull myself out from under and one hand to carry
the tranny out. It was immediately obvious that there was
insufficient machinery to survive the 4 liter eniine for long <g>.
Now, the AX15 could indeed put a serious dent in your forhead.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:39:16 UTC "Bill Kearney"
> wrote:

> > Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
> > properly.
>
> I've had a trans slip while reinstalling it. No fun having that on your
> chest, it'd probably kill you if it fell on your head.
>


--
Will Honea