Air intake mods? Which one?

One problem with all of this:

If you are running a fuel injected, computer controlled
engine, the ONLY way to get better mileage or power is to
modify the computers to be compatable with your modification.

Any modifications that you make won't do a bit of good
unless it is so significant as to override the engine's
ability to compensate. (then you have other problems)

On an old Chevy with a pair of Weber carbs - sure -
completely different story.

"Nom" > wrote in message >...
> james wrote:
> > Question for all you auto buffs. Ive got a 95 Jeep grand cherokee.
> > It has come to my attention that it might be possible to increase Fuel
> > Economy by adding one of these mods from ebay. Can you give me your
> > opinion on the following:
> > 1) can you use one of these "performance modules" in conjunction with
> > an air intake device?
>
> AVOID the "performance modules".
>
> > 2)There are a bunch of K&N air intakes, Imitation K&N intakes, this
> > "vortex" device, this "tornado" device among others. I am interested
> > in increasiing my MPG
>
> Er ?
>
> These devices are designed to give you MORE power.
> If you've got more power, then you're using more fuel to get it !
>
> > but not interested in paying upwards of 150 for
> > a K&N. Can anyone recommend one of the imitation ones such as this
> > one
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=2467691 696
> > or the vortex which are both considerably less, but seem to have a
> > similar design? Any input?
>
> If it does what it's supposed to do, it'll let more air into your engine, so
> your Engine Management will inject more fuel, and you'll go faster. Quite
> obviously this is not going to improve your fuel economy.
>
> If it does NOT do what it's supposed to do, it'll let the same air into your
> engine, so your Engine Management will inject the same amount of fuel, and
> you'll go at the same speed. Quite obviously this is not going to improve
> your fuel economy.
>
> > 3)Are there any other relatively inexpensive ways to get more milage
> > for my gas?
>
> Use your head. Performance-mods are quite obviously not going to increase
> your fuel economy !!!!
>
> > I dont feel like getting stung as badly by these gas
> > prices.
>
> So why are you driving a stupid great Jeep then ?!?!?!?
>
> Is this actually a serious post ?

Hey Nom you dipsh*t...

If you look on any of the websites for any of these air intake mods
youll see claims that they increase your fuel economy. If I knew as
much about cars as you aparently do, than I wouldnt be asking the
question. There are hundreds of things in this world I know about
that you have no clue. Posts like yours make my blood boil. If you
knew everything, then you'd also know how to effectively communicate
with your fellow humans and also how to take your anger out in places
other than an information board. Where would we be if everyone in the
world who knew something worth teaching to others had your attitude.
Also that last crack about my car was uncalled for. You want ME to
get personal you stupid sh*t?

"Use your head?" F-YOU

Not to mention the fact that if you search for air intake mods many
people will say that they increase MPG so its not like I was pulling
that out of thin air, it's at least a relatively popular opinion, so
I'm not that dumb.

Thanks for everyone else's replies. I think I am going to just leave
it as it is and not fix it if it isnt broken. I get 13.5 mpg city
which as I understand isnt that bad. I started poking around on ebay
and saw this stuff and my brain started going, especially with these
gas prices.
Thanks alot,

James

PS-Nom let me know if you want skiing, fishing, kayaking, windsurfing,
history, science lessons... Guarantee you dont know squat about at
least one if any.

"Nom" > wrote in message >...
> james wrote:
> > Question for all you auto buffs. Ive got a 95 Jeep grand cherokee.
> > It has come to my attention that it might be possible to increase Fuel
> > Economy by adding one of these mods from ebay. Can you give me your
> > opinion on the following:
> > 1) can you use one of these "performance modules" in conjunction with
> > an air intake device?
>
> AVOID the "performance modules".
>
> > 2)There are a bunch of K&N air intakes, Imitation K&N intakes, this
> > "vortex" device, this "tornado" device among others. I am interested
> > in increasiing my MPG
>
> Er ?
>
> These devices are designed to give you MORE power.
> If you've got more power, then you're using more fuel to get it !
>
> > but not interested in paying upwards of 150 for
> > a K&N. Can anyone recommend one of the imitation ones such as this
> > one
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=2467691 696
> > or the vortex which are both considerably less, but seem to have a
> > similar design? Any input?
>
> If it does what it's supposed to do, it'll let more air into your engine, so
> your Engine Management will inject more fuel, and you'll go faster. Quite
> obviously this is not going to improve your fuel economy.
>
> If it does NOT do what it's supposed to do, it'll let the same air into your
> engine, so your Engine Management will inject the same amount of fuel, and
> you'll go at the same speed. Quite obviously this is not going to improve
> your fuel economy.
>
> > 3)Are there any other relatively inexpensive ways to get more milage
> > for my gas?
>
> Use your head. Performance-mods are quite obviously not going to increase
> your fuel economy !!!!
>
> > I dont feel like getting stung as badly by these gas
> > prices.
>
> So why are you driving a stupid great Jeep then ?!?!?!?
>
> Is this actually a serious post ?

Hey Nom you dipsh*t...

If you look on any of the websites for any of these air intake mods
youll see claims that they increase your fuel economy. If I knew as
much about cars as you aparently do, than I wouldnt be asking the
question. There are hundreds of things in this world I know about
that you have no clue. Posts like yours make my blood boil. If you
knew everything, then you'd also know how to effectively communicate
with your fellow humans and also how to take your anger out in places
other than an information board. Where would we be if everyone in the
world who knew something worth teaching to others had your attitude.
Also that last crack about my car was uncalled for. You want ME to
get personal you stupid sh*t?

"Use your head?" F-YOU

Not to mention the fact that if you search for air intake mods many
people will say that they increase MPG so its not like I was pulling
that out of thin air, it's at least a relatively popular opinion, so
I'm not that dumb.

Thanks for everyone else's replies. I think I am going to just leave
it as it is and not fix it if it isnt broken. I get 13.5 mpg city
which as I understand isnt that bad. I started poking around on ebay
and saw this stuff and my brain started going, especially with these
gas prices.
Thanks alot,

James

PS-Nom let me know if you want skiing, fishing, kayaking, windsurfing,
history, science lessons... Guarantee you dont know squat about at
least one if any.

"james" > wrote in message
m...
> "Nom" > wrote in message
>...

> > So why are you driving a stupid great Jeep then ?!?!?!?
> >
> > Is this actually a serious post ?
>
> Hey Nom you dipsh*t...
>
> If you look on any of the websites for any of these air intake mods
> youll see claims that they increase your fuel economy. If I knew as
> much about cars as you aparently do, than I wouldnt be asking the
> question. There are hundreds of things in this world I know about
> that you have no clue. Posts like yours make my blood boil. If you
> knew everything, then you'd also know how to effectively communicate
> with your fellow humans and also how to take your anger out in places
> other than an information board. Where would we be if everyone in the
> world who knew something worth teaching to others had your attitude.
> Also that last crack about my car was uncalled for. You want ME to
> get personal you stupid sh*t?

Lets face it, anyone who's worried about mpg and drives a Jeep is a few
sperm short of a bollock.

> Thanks for everyone else's replies. I think I am going to just leave
> it as it is and not fix it if it isnt broken. I get 13.5 mpg city
> which as I understand isnt that bad. I started poking around on ebay
> and saw this stuff and my brain started going, especially with these
> gas prices.

Modern cars can be a right ******* to do much to, engine wise. Sensors
everywhere for everything. I can free plenty of power out my cars by
reducing pumping losses from the intake and exhaust systems, but mainly
because I can also adjust the timing and mixture to suit. Replacing your air
filter will only result in the engine management adding more fuel - You
might free a small amount of power and so gain a fraction on your mpg, but I
would imagine it would be quite negligeable. Then again, I tend to steer
clear of anything that needs a computer to simply turn over...

> PS-Nom let me know if you want skiing, fishing, kayaking, windsurfing,
> history, science lessons... Guarantee you dont know squat about at
> least one if any.

Coming from someone on AOL, who is almost certainly American, and is posting
to a UK car group about a wallowy yank tank, I hope you've got a modicum of
proof to back yourself up

"james" > wrote in message
m...
> "Nom" > wrote in message
>...

> > So why are you driving a stupid great Jeep then ?!?!?!?
> >
> > Is this actually a serious post ?
>
> Hey Nom you dipsh*t...
>
> If you look on any of the websites for any of these air intake mods
> youll see claims that they increase your fuel economy. If I knew as
> much about cars as you aparently do, than I wouldnt be asking the
> question. There are hundreds of things in this world I know about
> that you have no clue. Posts like yours make my blood boil. If you
> knew everything, then you'd also know how to effectively communicate
> with your fellow humans and also how to take your anger out in places
> other than an information board. Where would we be if everyone in the
> world who knew something worth teaching to others had your attitude.
> Also that last crack about my car was uncalled for. You want ME to
> get personal you stupid sh*t?

Lets face it, anyone who's worried about mpg and drives a Jeep is a few
sperm short of a bollock.

> Thanks for everyone else's replies. I think I am going to just leave
> it as it is and not fix it if it isnt broken. I get 13.5 mpg city
> which as I understand isnt that bad. I started poking around on ebay
> and saw this stuff and my brain started going, especially with these
> gas prices.

Modern cars can be a right ******* to do much to, engine wise. Sensors
everywhere for everything. I can free plenty of power out my cars by
reducing pumping losses from the intake and exhaust systems, but mainly
because I can also adjust the timing and mixture to suit. Replacing your air
filter will only result in the engine management adding more fuel - You
might free a small amount of power and so gain a fraction on your mpg, but I
would imagine it would be quite negligeable. Then again, I tend to steer
clear of anything that needs a computer to simply turn over...

> PS-Nom let me know if you want skiing, fishing, kayaking, windsurfing,
> history, science lessons... Guarantee you dont know squat about at
> least one if any.

Coming from someone on AOL, who is almost certainly American, and is posting
to a UK car group about a wallowy yank tank, I hope you've got a modicum of
proof to back yourself up

In article >,
says...
>
> "Nom" > wrote in message
> ...
> > james wrote:
> > > Question for all you auto buffs. Ive got a 95 Jeep grand cherokee.
> > > It has come to my attention that it might be possible to increase Fuel
> > > Economy by adding one of these mods from ebay. Can you give me your
> > > opinion on the following:
> > > 1) can you use one of these "performance modules" in conjunction with
> > > an air intake device?
> >
> > AVOID the "performance modules".
> >
> > > 2)There are a bunch of K&N air intakes, Imitation K&N intakes, this
> > > "vortex" device, this "tornado" device among others. I am interested
> > > in increasiing my MPG
> >
> > Er ?
> >
> > These devices are designed to give you MORE power.
> > If you've got more power, then you're using more fuel to get it !
> >
> > > but not interested in paying upwards of 150 for
> > > a K&N. Can anyone recommend one of the imitation ones such as this
> > > one
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=2467691 696
> > > or the vortex which are both considerably less, but seem to have a
> > > similar design? Any input?
> >
> > If it does what it's supposed to do, it'll let more air into your engine,
> so
> > your Engine Management will inject more fuel, and you'll go faster. Quite
> > obviously this is not going to improve your fuel economy.
> >
> > If it does NOT do what it's supposed to do, it'll let the same air into
> your
> > engine, so your Engine Management will inject the same amount of fuel, and
> > you'll go at the same speed. Quite obviously this is not going to improve
> > your fuel economy.
>
> Performance mods can increase your fuel economy.. If the engine can use
> what it has more efficiently, then you'll get better gas mileage. In other
> words, if you can get more power out of the same amount of fuel, then you're
> likely to get better gas mileage. I figure a muffler swap could do this. A
> more free flowing exhaust can give you better gas mileage.

A free flowing exhaust gives you less low end torque, thee's no free
lunch.
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In article >,
says...
>
> "Nom" > wrote in message
> ...
> > james wrote:
> > > Question for all you auto buffs. Ive got a 95 Jeep grand cherokee.
> > > It has come to my attention that it might be possible to increase Fuel
> > > Economy by adding one of these mods from ebay. Can you give me your
> > > opinion on the following:
> > > 1) can you use one of these "performance modules" in conjunction with
> > > an air intake device?
> >
> > AVOID the "performance modules".
> >
> > > 2)There are a bunch of K&N air intakes, Imitation K&N intakes, this
> > > "vortex" device, this "tornado" device among others. I am interested
> > > in increasiing my MPG
> >
> > Er ?
> >
> > These devices are designed to give you MORE power.
> > If you've got more power, then you're using more fuel to get it !
> >
> > > but not interested in paying upwards of 150 for
> > > a K&N. Can anyone recommend one of the imitation ones such as this
> > > one
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=2467691 696
> > > or the vortex which are both considerably less, but seem to have a
> > > similar design? Any input?
> >
> > If it does what it's supposed to do, it'll let more air into your engine,
> so
> > your Engine Management will inject more fuel, and you'll go faster. Quite
> > obviously this is not going to improve your fuel economy.
> >
> > If it does NOT do what it's supposed to do, it'll let the same air into
> your
> > engine, so your Engine Management will inject the same amount of fuel, and
> > you'll go at the same speed. Quite obviously this is not going to improve
> > your fuel economy.
>
> Performance mods can increase your fuel economy.. If the engine can use
> what it has more efficiently, then you'll get better gas mileage. In other
> words, if you can get more power out of the same amount of fuel, then you're
> likely to get better gas mileage. I figure a muffler swap could do this. A
> more free flowing exhaust can give you better gas mileage.

A free flowing exhaust gives you less low end torque, thee's no free
lunch.
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> 3)Are there any other relatively inexpensive ways to get more milage
> for my gas? I dont feel like getting stung as badly by these gas
> prices.
>
> Thanks alot,
> James


Why'd you buy a car like that and then worry about its fuel consumption?

> 3)Are there any other relatively inexpensive ways to get more milage
> for my gas? I dont feel like getting stung as badly by these gas
> prices.
>
> Thanks alot,
> James


Why'd you buy a car like that and then worry about its fuel consumption?

> Hey Nom you dipsh*t...
>
> If you look on any of the websites for any of these air intake mods
> youll see claims that they increase your fuel economy. If I knew as
> much about cars as you aparently do, than I wouldnt be asking the
> question. There are hundreds of things in this world I know about
> that you have no clue. Posts like yours make my blood boil. If you
> knew everything, then you'd also know how to effectively communicate
> with your fellow humans and also how to take your anger out in places
> other than an information board. Where would we be if everyone in the
> world who knew something worth teaching to others had your attitude.
> Also that last crack about my car was uncalled for. You want ME to
> get personal you stupid sh*t?
>
> "Use your head?" F-YOU
>
> Not to mention the fact that if you search for air intake mods many
> people will say that they increase MPG so its not like I was pulling
> that out of thin air, it's at least a relatively popular opinion, so
> I'm not that dumb.
>
> Thanks for everyone else's replies. I think I am going to just leave
> it as it is and not fix it if it isnt broken. I get 13.5 mpg city
> which as I understand isnt that bad. I started poking around on ebay
> and saw this stuff and my brain started going, especially with these
> gas prices.
> Thanks alot,
>
> James
>
> PS-Nom let me know if you want skiing, fishing, kayaking, windsurfing,
> history, science lessons... Guarantee you dont know squat about at
> least one if any.



James, you could try posting in a Yank newsgroup and not a UK one. You might
get more sympathy for your idea that you somehow pay a lot for gasoline...