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Old January 8th 06, 06:36 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Zathras wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:39:10 GMT, Catman
> > wrote:
>
>>Zathras wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:23:21 GMT, Catman
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I want a 156 JTD. The T Spark is crippling me
>>>
>>> I told you that the JTD was the 156 for discerning people before you
>>> bought yours. Mind you, the JTD is only cheaper for fuel, the rest of
>>> it is standard Alfa expensive.
>>>

>>And purchase is *much* more expensive, which is why I don't have one.

>
> Interesting..I've just had a look at Parkers (yes I know) and there's
> an interesting difference - the 2.0 (same spec as mine) is worth about
> 1000UKP (private good) less but the original price difference was only
> 200UKP. I had always assumed these figures tracked and with almost
> nobody getting decent sales of JTDs on eBay had assumed very depressed
> prices all round.


Apparently not.
> Fortunately, being skint stops me changing cars at present anyway so
> I'm not overly bothered.


I know that feeling

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  #22  
Old January 8th 06, 09:21 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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On 8th Jan, Zathras wrote...

>As I've said before, I wouldn't exchange a 156 2.4 JTD for any petrol
>Alfa (the GTA is too flawed in my book) and economy wouldn't be the
>consideration.


.... waddya mean, the GTA is flawed? Apart from a turning circle bettered by
a supertanker, less clearance than a ground-effect Lotus GP,
self-destructing suspension, intelligent electrics (mind of their own),
thirstier than Charles Kennedy (allegedly), gets through more tyres than an
F1 qualifying session and drinks more oil than Iraq. Oh yes- but it goes
like stink and makes me grin like a grinning thing. Alfa Romeo may have
corporately lost the plot, but the GTA is one hell of a way to stick two
fingers up at mundane motoring.

Steve B.


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Old January 8th 06, 09:32 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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In ,
SteveH > wrote something quite bizarre, possibly in
an effort to confuddle the world. It went like so;
> Catman > wrote:
>
>> SteveH wrote:
>>
>>> Catman > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've mostly managed to block diesels from my thoughts when people
>>>>> ask me about Alfas :-P
>>>> Pah! I want a 156 JTD. The T Spark is crippling me
>>>
>>> Sometimes I do, for the economy. Then I realise that the cost vs.
>>> the cost of my daily hack means it would take me 5 years to recoup
>>> the cost.

>>
>> But but but, you own a Marea.....

>
> Yes, and?
>
> It's just a less pretty 156 with a better engine.


Steve H in "Fiat engine better than Alfa engine" shocker.


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Old January 8th 06, 09:40 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Pete M . uk> wrote:

> In ,
> SteveH > wrote something quite bizarre, possibly in
> an effort to confuddle the world. It went like so;
> > Catman > wrote:
> >
> >> SteveH wrote:
> >>
> >>> Catman > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> I've mostly managed to block diesels from my thoughts when people
> >>>>> ask me about Alfas :-P
> >>>> Pah! I want a 156 JTD. The T Spark is crippling me
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes I do, for the economy. Then I realise that the cost vs.
> >>> the cost of my daily hack means it would take me 5 years to recoup
> >>> the cost.
> >>
> >> But but but, you own a Marea.....

> >
> > Yes, and?
> >
> > It's just a less pretty 156 with a better engine.

>
> Steve H in "Fiat engine better than Alfa engine" shocker.


Heh.

Well, I do have a bit of a background in Fiats..... I love the FIRE and
Lampredi lumps.
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Old January 8th 06, 10:40 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:21:15 +0000 (UTC), "Steve Byatt"
> wrote:

>On 8th Jan, Zathras wrote...
>
>>As I've said before, I wouldn't exchange a 156 2.4 JTD for any petrol
>>Alfa (the GTA is too flawed in my book) and economy wouldn't be the
>>consideration.

>
>... waddya mean, the GTA is flawed? Apart from a turning circle bettered by
>a supertanker, less clearance than a ground-effect Lotus GP,
>self-destructing suspension, intelligent electrics (mind of their own),
>thirstier than Charles Kennedy (allegedly), gets through more tyres than an
>F1 qualifying session and drinks more oil than Iraq. Oh yes- but it goes
>like stink and makes me grin like a grinning thing. Alfa Romeo may have
>corporately lost the plot, but the GTA is one hell of a way to stick two
>fingers up at mundane motoring.


The GTA's main flaw is common to many other Alfas - designed for
European roads. The main flaw for UK roads is little ground clearance
allied to less than stellar body control - this means that on many UK
roads, mundane cars are quicker - unless you want to risk loosing the
sump or grinding off lots of the underbody. Trouble is that when the
underbody is grinding away, the handling and control suffers. If only
Alfa had looked at how Subaru do body control and learned..

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Old January 8th 06, 10:43 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:32:56 -0000, "Pete M"
. uk> wrote:

>Steve H in "Fiat engine better than Alfa engine" shocker.


Other than tweaked heads and the old V6, is there any difference these
days?

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Old January 8th 06, 10:43 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Zathras > wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:21:15 +0000 (UTC), "Steve Byatt"
> > wrote:
>
> >On 8th Jan, Zathras wrote...
> >
> >>As I've said before, I wouldn't exchange a 156 2.4 JTD for any petrol
> >>Alfa (the GTA is too flawed in my book) and economy wouldn't be the
> >>consideration.

> >
> >... waddya mean, the GTA is flawed? Apart from a turning circle bettered by
> >a supertanker, less clearance than a ground-effect Lotus GP,
> >self-destructing suspension, intelligent electrics (mind of their own),
> >thirstier than Charles Kennedy (allegedly), gets through more tyres than an
> >F1 qualifying session and drinks more oil than Iraq. Oh yes- but it goes
> >like stink and makes me grin like a grinning thing. Alfa Romeo may have
> >corporately lost the plot, but the GTA is one hell of a way to stick two
> >fingers up at mundane motoring.

>
> The GTA's main flaw is common to many other Alfas - designed for
> European roads. The main flaw for UK roads is little ground clearance
> allied to less than stellar body control - this means that on many UK
> roads, mundane cars are quicker - unless you want to risk loosing the
> sump or grinding off lots of the underbody. Trouble is that when the
> underbody is grinding away, the handling and control suffers. If only
> Alfa had looked at how Subaru do body control and learned..


Noooooo!

I don't want boring Alfas.

The only thing a Subaru has going for it is that turbocharged engine.
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Old January 8th 06, 10:46 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Zathras > wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:32:56 -0000, "Pete M"
> . uk> wrote:
>
> >Steve H in "Fiat engine better than Alfa engine" shocker.

>
> Other than tweaked heads and the old V6, is there any difference these
> days?


There is when it's a 5 cylinder petrol ;-)
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Old January 9th 06, 12:41 AM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Zathras wrote:

> The GTA's main flaw is common to many other Alfas - designed for
> European roads. The main flaw for UK roads is little ground clearance
> allied to less than stellar body control - this means that on many UK
> roads, mundane cars are quicker - unless you want to risk loosing the
> sump or grinding off lots of the underbody. Trouble is that when the
> underbody is grinding away, the handling and control suffers. If only
> Alfa had looked at how Subaru do body control and learned..


The curious thing is my 156 V6 grounds far less than the 2.0 GTV did. I
only have an issue on some very severe speed bumps, it has never
grounded on normal roads, despite some spirited driving. It is an 03
Veloce if that makes a difference. Is the 2.4 diesel heavier still than
the 2.5 V6?

You have mentioned several times that your JTD grounds regularly on the
open road, an experience I have not had.

I think both 2.4 and 2.5 are great engines. I am intrigued to see how
the 159 will perform with a 200bhp 2.4 diesel. That is more bhp than my
2.5 V6 and of course loads more torque. My problem is I am addicted to
the sound of the V6 at near 7000 rpm - I still struggle to change gears
fast enough to keep it off the rev limiter. Of course we won't get into
a debate about economy especially when feeding my rpm addiction...

I wouldn't mind a GTA though!

Cheers
Tony
 




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