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Old December 23rd 05, 08:04 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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hi
got a new 2005 miata, still under warranty...

am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs (i"m not
racing but I may go to club stuff later on, etc.), plus installs with
no damage to body or floor? i want it for safety.

it also work with soft tops and seats? right?

thanks
dave

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Old December 23rd 05, 10:16 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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On 23 Dec 2005 11:04:05 -0800, "dave" > wrote:

>am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs (i"m not
>racing but I may go to club stuff later on, etc.), plus installs with
>no damage to body or floor?....it also work with soft tops and seats? right?


If you mean the Hard Dog "Hard Core," that would be yes, yes, yes, and yes
(assuming you mean here that it doesn't reduce seat travel). The only problem is
with the soft top's rear window, which can't be laid down flat on the rear deck
or maneuvered under the lower horizontal support bar.

-- Larry

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Old December 23rd 05, 10:18 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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"dave" > wrote in
oups.com:

> hi
> got a new 2005 miata, still under warranty...
>
> am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs


No, it does not. http://www.teammiata.com/Rollbar-faqs.htm

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Old December 23rd 05, 10:23 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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In article .com>,
"dave" > wrote:

> am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs


No. Only the bars with "Hard Core" in the name meet SCCA specs.

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'94C, St. Louis
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Old December 23rd 05, 11:10 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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On 2005-12-23, pltrgyst > wrote:
> On 23 Dec 2005 11:04:05 -0800, "dave" > wrote:
>
>>am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs (i"m not
>>racing but I may go to club stuff later on, etc.), plus installs with
>>no damage to body or floor?....it also work with soft tops and seats? right?

>
> If you mean the Hard Dog "Hard Core," that would be yes, yes, yes, and yes
> (assuming you mean here that it doesn't reduce seat travel). The only problem is
> with the soft top's rear window, which can't be laid down flat on the rear deck
> or maneuvered under the lower horizontal support bar.


And you don't have to do any drilling or cutting?!?!

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Old December 23rd 05, 11:55 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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Grant Edwards wrote:


> And you don't have to do any drilling or cutting?!?!


Heh, that would be scary. I guess you could just glue it in with JB
Weld. ;-)

I thought I would share my experience with the rollbar installation that
I did. It was far easier than I thought it would be.

There was plenty of drilling, but the instructions call for far more
cutting than is required on the rear parcel shelf. The only parts of the
shelf that need to be removed are the 2 small spots that actually block
the rollbar.

I went by the instructions on the first side and chopped away the sheet
metal to access the spots to drill holes in the body of the car.
On the second side I thought, "What am I doing here that simply drilling
a hole straight through both the shelf and the car body will not
accomplish? As it turns out, I was doing nothing other than needlessly
chopping up sheet metal.

If the drill bit is long enough, and you are sure to line it up
properly, the end result is much nicer looking, not that you can see it
underneath the carpet anyway.

Pat
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Old December 24th 05, 12:04 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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pltrgyst wrote:
> On 23 Dec 2005 11:04:05 -0800, "dave" > wrote:
>
>
>>am i right that the hard dog "hard bar" meets scca specs (i"m not
>>racing but I may go to club stuff later on, etc.), plus installs with
>>no damage to body or floor?....it also work with soft tops and seats? right?

>
>
> If you mean the Hard Dog "Hard Core," that would be yes, yes, yes, and yes
> (assuming you mean here that it doesn't reduce seat travel). The only problem is
> with the soft top's rear window, which can't be laid down flat on the rear deck
> or maneuvered under the lower horizontal support bar.
>
> -- Larry
>



Another problem, since he is not using the car exclusively to race, is
possibly hitting your head against it in a collision, especially if you
get rear-ended.
Rollbars were intended to be used with helmets, and that is a thick
piece of metal to smack your noggin against that Mazda never intended to
be on the car.

That said, I still consider a rollbar basically a mandatory safety
feature for this car, whether it is raced or not. I will lose the airbag
before I would take out the rollbar.
For me, it helps that I am only 5'9" with long legs and short torso, so
my head sits well below the bar. This, however, is not always the case
with my passengers.
This is also the Hard Dog Hard Core bar with no hardtop option, their
tallest bar as far as I know.

Pat
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Old December 24th 05, 03:44 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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In article >,
pws > wrote:

> I went by the instructions on the first side and chopped away the sheet
> metal to access the spots to drill holes in the body of the car.
> On the second side I thought, "What am I doing here that simply drilling
> a hole straight through both the shelf and the car body will not
> accomplish? As it turns out, I was doing nothing other than needlessly
> chopping up sheet metal.


Needless, unless you need access to the gauge sender, fuel pump, or fuel
filter in the gas tank, in which case you'll need to remove the rollbar
first.

--
Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html
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Old December 24th 05, 03:55 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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Lanny Chambers wrote:

>
> Needless, unless you need access to the gauge sender, fuel pump, or fuel
> filter in the gas tank, in which case you'll need to remove the rollbar
> first.
>


We appear to be on at the same time.

I am confused. The panel shelf still goes on and comes off the same
either way, it is just a matter of how much sheet metal you end up
removing from it to get to the access points to drill the holes through
the body of the car.

Once the shelf panel is off, you can access all of the items that you
mentioned.

The installation that I did let the panel slide back in just fine, even
though one side had been done my way. Removing it will be no problem
when I get to dismantling that part of the car, and it will come off
before the rollbar does.

What am I missing here?

Pat
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Old December 24th 05, 05:19 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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In article >,
pws > wrote:

> The panel shelf still goes on and comes off the same
> either way


I thought you were drilling bolt holes through the shelf. Sorry, I was
confused.

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Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html
 




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