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  #21  
Old October 15th 09, 09:50 AM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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J.D. wrote:
> "SteveH" > wrote in message
> ...
>> J.D. > wrote:
>>
>>> "R C Nesbit" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> The 156 was in need of a pair of front tyres, but since my
>>>> financial partners pulled out in June I am flat broke most
>>>> of the time.
>>>>
>>>> So I called in to The Tyre Shop, purveyors of cheap rubber
>>>> to the denizens of Ollerton (ex mining village) and bought
>>>> a pair of economy branded fronts for the princely sum of
>>>> £89 - the pair, balanced and fitted!
>>>>
>>>> I was somewhat wary, but they drove, tracked and sounded
>>>> fine, and as luck would have it I've just driven 20 miles
>>>> through heavy rain and they are OK in the wet as well!
>>>>
>>> Hallo,
>>> Typical mistake!
>>> New tyres should go on the rear. Not front!

>> <passes round popcorn>
>>
>> I always put new tyres on the driven wheels.

>
> Then you are always wrong.
> Look at this:
> http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk...314172074.html
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52
> http://www.etyres.co.uk/flashmovies/...ear-etyres.htm
> http://www.celtictyres.co.uk/front-rear.php


Wouldn't go as far as wrong. The important thing here is:

<quote>
Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
than those at the rear.
<quote>

But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.



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  #22  
Old October 15th 09, 12:35 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
R C Nesbit
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Catman spoke:
> >>> Hallo,
> >>> Typical mistake!
> >>> New tyres should go on the rear. Not front!

> >
> > Well, according to all the tyre manufacturers anyway.
> >
> >> <passes round popcorn>

> >
> > :-)
> >
> >> I always put new tyres on the driven wheels.

> >
> > I always found it a more consistent handling and pleasing experience
> > not to do that on my 156. YMMV.
> >

>
> /me sides with Steve on this. But we don't have enough regs to have a
> proper jihad


Well I obviously side with the front brigade as well.


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  #23  
Old October 15th 09, 12:41 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
J.D.[_2_]
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"Catman" > wrote in message
...
> J.D. wrote:
>> "SteveH" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> J.D. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "R C Nesbit" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> The 156 was in need of a pair of front tyres, but since my
>>>>> financial partners pulled out in June I am flat broke most
>>>>> of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I called in to The Tyre Shop, purveyors of cheap rubber
>>>>> to the denizens of Ollerton (ex mining village) and bought
>>>>> a pair of economy branded fronts for the princely sum of
>>>>> £89 - the pair, balanced and fitted!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was somewhat wary, but they drove, tracked and sounded
>>>>> fine, and as luck would have it I've just driven 20 miles
>>>>> through heavy rain and they are OK in the wet as well!
>>>>>
>>>> Hallo,
>>>> Typical mistake!
>>>> New tyres should go on the rear. Not front!
>>> <passes round popcorn>
>>>
>>> I always put new tyres on the driven wheels.

>>
>> Then you are always wrong.
>> Look at this:
>> http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk...314172074.html
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52
>> http://www.etyres.co.uk/flashmovies/...ear-etyres.htm
>> http://www.celtictyres.co.uk/front-rear.php

>
> Wouldn't go as far as wrong. The important thing here is:
>
> <quote>
> Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
> than those at the rear.
> <quote>
>
> But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.
>


Sorry, but now you are wrong. It is not the question who is better driver.
Schumacher is better driver than I am but it doesn't mean that he would
put new tyres in front. Or put it in this way: why would he do that?


  #24  
Old October 15th 09, 01:04 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:45:25 +0100, "GT"
> wrote:

>When you hit the wall because you have old tyres on your braking, steering,
>driving wheels,


When the any tyres are likely to hinder you from missing walls, it
might just be worth replacing them..no?

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  #25  
Old October 15th 09, 03:41 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
Catman
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J.D. wrote:
> "Catman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> J.D. wrote:
>>> "SteveH" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> J.D. > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "R C Nesbit" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The 156 was in need of a pair of front tyres, but since my
>>>>>> financial partners pulled out in June I am flat broke most
>>>>>> of the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I called in to The Tyre Shop, purveyors of cheap rubber
>>>>>> to the denizens of Ollerton (ex mining village) and bought
>>>>>> a pair of economy branded fronts for the princely sum of
>>>>>> £89 - the pair, balanced and fitted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was somewhat wary, but they drove, tracked and sounded
>>>>>> fine, and as luck would have it I've just driven 20 miles
>>>>>> through heavy rain and they are OK in the wet as well!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hallo,
>>>>> Typical mistake!
>>>>> New tyres should go on the rear. Not front!
>>>> <passes round popcorn>
>>>>
>>>> I always put new tyres on the driven wheels.
>>> Then you are always wrong.
>>> Look at this:
>>> http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk...314172074.html
>>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52
>>> http://www.etyres.co.uk/flashmovies/...ear-etyres.htm
>>> http://www.celtictyres.co.uk/front-rear.php

>> Wouldn't go as far as wrong. The important thing here is:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
>> than those at the rear.
>> <quote>
>>
>> But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.
>>

>
> Sorry, but now you are wrong. It is not the question who is better driver.
> Schumacher is better driver than I am but it doesn't mean that he would
> put new tyres in front. Or put it in this way: why would he do that?


Because it's a rather simplistic view.

Tell you what, you do it your way, and I'll keep being 'wrong'. How's that.


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  #26  
Old October 15th 09, 08:19 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
Zathras
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:50:18 +0100, Catman
> wrote:

>The important thing here is:
>
><quote>
>Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
>than those at the rear.
><quote>


When I bought the 156 in 2001, nobody could understand why I chose the
diesel over the petrol except that I must be skint and needed a more
economical car. Even when I pointed out that it was not more fuel
economical (for low mileage me) people still didn't get it. I wanted
the 224 lb-ft of torque at 1700 rpm. Period.

I used to fit the best tyres to the driven wheels but what changed my
mind was what I found on the 156 when I tried the *new* way. The
traction balance was identical to immediately before I had the tyres
changed..there was none of the feeling of driving a different car for
the first few miles after a tyre change. I liked the traction balance
on the 156 so I didn't see a good reason to change it just because I
put new tyres on. That was enough for good old me.

>But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.


Indeed.. and Michelin says as much but, I'm still not sure how a good
driver can alter the traction balance of a car on today's congested
roads without encouraging oncoming traffic into the adjacent fields.

As I get progressively older but my cars get faster and quicker, the
bit I wonder about is how good a driver I will be in those short
moments before an accident.

Having said all that, my current faux-dragster arrangement means I'll
be compelled, by the motor manufacturer, to ignore Michelin and my own
preferences when I come to my next tyre change. So "ya boo sucks" to
me then! ;-)

--
Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather (sold)
'Oil' be seeing you..
(Email must have the word 'Alfa' in the
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  #27  
Old October 15th 09, 09:37 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
Catman
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Zathras wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:50:18 +0100, Catman
> > wrote:
>
>> The important thing here is:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
>> than those at the rear.
>> <quote>

>
> When I bought the 156 in 2001, nobody could understand why I chose the
> diesel over the petrol except that I must be skint and needed a more
> economical car. Even when I pointed out that it was not more fuel
> economical (for low mileage me) people still didn't get it. I wanted
> the 224 lb-ft of torque at 1700 rpm. Period.
>
> I used to fit the best tyres to the driven wheels but what changed my
> mind was what I found on the 156 when I tried the *new* way. The
> traction balance was identical to immediately before I had the tyres
> changed..there was none of the feeling of driving a different car for
> the first few miles after a tyre change. I liked the traction balance
> on the 156 so I didn't see a good reason to change it just because I
> put new tyres on. That was enough for good old me.
>
>> But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.

>
> Indeed.. and Michelin says as much but, I'm still not sure how a good
> driver can alter the traction balance of a car on today's congested
> roads without encouraging oncoming traffic into the adjacent fields.


The driver can't alter it, but you as good as make the point up there
'for the first few miles' and then you adjust. Then it becomes a matter
of choice how you want your traction balanced, and if you're prepared to
go through the 'few miles' of re-adjustment when you change tyres.


>
> As I get progressively older but my cars get faster and quicker, the
> bit I wonder about is how good a driver I will be in those short
> moments before an accident.


You won't be a driver at all, you'll be a passenger
>
> Having said all that, my current faux-dragster arrangement means I'll
> be compelled, by the motor manufacturer, to ignore Michelin and my own
> preferences when I come to my next tyre change. So "ya boo sucks" to
> me then! ;-)


Think of the children!


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  #28  
Old October 15th 09, 09:57 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
GT[_12_]
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"J.D." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Catman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> J.D. wrote:
>>> "SteveH" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> J.D. > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "R C Nesbit" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The 156 was in need of a pair of front tyres, but since my
>>>>>> financial partners pulled out in June I am flat broke most
>>>>>> of the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I called in to The Tyre Shop, purveyors of cheap rubber
>>>>>> to the denizens of Ollerton (ex mining village) and bought
>>>>>> a pair of economy branded fronts for the princely sum of
>>>>>> £89 - the pair, balanced and fitted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was somewhat wary, but they drove, tracked and sounded
>>>>>> fine, and as luck would have it I've just driven 20 miles
>>>>>> through heavy rain and they are OK in the wet as well!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hallo,
>>>>> Typical mistake!
>>>>> New tyres should go on the rear. Not front!
>>>> <passes round popcorn>
>>>>
>>>> I always put new tyres on the driven wheels.
>>>
>>> Then you are always wrong.
>>> Look at this:
>>> http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk...314172074.html
>>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52
>>> http://www.etyres.co.uk/flashmovies/...ear-etyres.htm
>>> http://www.celtictyres.co.uk/front-rear.php

>>
>> Wouldn't go as far as wrong. The important thing here is:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Numerous tests have shown that it is easier to control the front wheels
>> than those at the rear.
>> <quote>
>>
>> But that depends entirely on how good a driver you are.
>>

>
> Sorry, but now you are wrong. It is not the question who is better driver.
> Schumacher is better driver than I am but it doesn't mean that he would
> put new tyres in front. Or put it in this way: why would he do that?


I've seen those programmes - he usually changes all 4 tyres at once, but
then he drives away really fast without paying. Scandelous! And you quote
him as an example?!?


  #29  
Old October 15th 09, 10:01 PM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:37:26 +0100, Catman
> wrote:

>Zathras wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:50:18 +0100, Catman


>> Indeed.. and Michelin says as much but, I'm still not sure how a good
>> driver can alter the traction balance of a car on today's congested
>> roads without encouraging oncoming traffic into the adjacent fields.

>
>The driver can't alter it, but you as good as make the point up there
>'for the first few miles' and then you adjust. Then it becomes a matter
>of choice how you want your traction balanced, and if you're prepared to
>go through the 'few miles' of re-adjustment when you change tyres.


I prefer not to need to do that at all though. Why should I endure
even the tiny/major (delete according to driving skill) inconvenience
of it when all I need to say is "new ones on the back, mate" and I can
avoid it completely. That's my point. Lazy does it..

>>
>> As I get progressively older but my cars get faster and quicker, the
>> bit I wonder about is how good a driver I will be in those short
>> moments before an accident.

>
>You won't be a driver at all, you'll be a passenger


I think the tyre manufacturers (though my opinion should not be
considered fact) are targeting that gray area between driver and
passenger to try and elongate the driver time (for the average driver
of course) before he converts to a passenger even if he can't avoid
that bit!

>> Having said all that, my current faux-dragster arrangement means I'll
>> be compelled, by the motor manufacturer, to ignore Michelin and my own
>> preferences when I come to my next tyre change. So "ya boo sucks" to
>> me then! ;-)

>
>Think of the children!


...Currently shouting "that says faster..faster ha ha hee hee ho ho"
whenever the word "Slow" is painted on the road!!!! 8-| The real
problem is SWMBO who wasn't best pleased when I got a bit of air time
in today over a sequence of decent mounds. Ooops.... I bent a car
(er..my dad's car!!) in the middle doing that... Back doors wouldn't
open afterwards. I was young and stupid then, now I'm no longer
young.. Dammit.

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'Oil' be seeing you..
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  #30  
Old October 16th 09, 06:40 AM posted to alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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Zathras wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:37:26 +0100, Catman
> > wrote:
>
>> Zathras wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:50:18 +0100, Catman

>
>>> Indeed.. and Michelin says as much but, I'm still not sure how a good
>>> driver can alter the traction balance of a car on today's congested
>>> roads without encouraging oncoming traffic into the adjacent fields.

>> The driver can't alter it, but you as good as make the point up there
>> 'for the first few miles' and then you adjust. Then it becomes a matter
>> of choice how you want your traction balanced, and if you're prepared to
>> go through the 'few miles' of re-adjustment when you change tyres.

>
> I prefer not to need to do that at all though. Why should I endure
> even the tiny/major (delete according to driving skill) inconvenience
> of it when all I need to say is "new ones on the back, mate" and I can
> avoid it completely. That's my point. Lazy does it..


You may chose to endure it to get the increased traction in wet weather
on the front tyres. Or you may not. Each to their own.

>
>>> As I get progressively older but my cars get faster and quicker, the
>>> bit I wonder about is how good a driver I will be in those short
>>> moments before an accident.

>> You won't be a driver at all, you'll be a passenger

>
> I think the tyre manufacturers (though my opinion should not be
> considered fact) are targeting that gray area between driver and
> passenger to try and elongate the driver time (for the average driver
> of course) before he converts to a passenger even if he can't avoid
> that bit!


And also,if they said 'deal with the transition because of benefit x'
you just know someone is going to sue them cos their 17 year old idiot
ploughed the Scooby backwards into a bus queue.
>
>>> Having said all that, my current faux-dragster arrangement means I'll
>>> be compelled, by the motor manufacturer, to ignore Michelin and my own
>>> preferences when I come to my next tyre change. So "ya boo sucks" to
>>> me then! ;-)

>> Think of the children!

>
> ..Currently shouting "that says faster..faster ha ha hee hee ho ho"
> whenever the word "Slow" is painted on the road!!!! 8-| The real
> problem is SWMBO who wasn't best pleased when I got a bit of air time
> in today over a sequence of decent mounds. Ooops.... I bent a car
> (er..my dad's car!!) in the middle doing that... Back doors wouldn't
> open afterwards. I was young and stupid then, now I'm no longer
> young.. Dammit.


Ooops


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