latest SATURN HORROR STORY !!!

sent to misterfact. reprinted here.

I have a 1996 Saturn with a cracked cylinder. After the repair shop
replaced it the crack occurred again within 1 month. When my dealer
asked the suppliers to examine any cylinder before shipping they found
all in stock had cracks. It took almost a week to find a supplier
with good cylinder head. I believe that everyone with this problem
(there are many) need to file a complaint with the Federal Trade
Commission in order to get reimbursed for the poor product Saturn
produces.

Gary
Yeah sure! Good luck. The government is worthless in these matters
unleass its a safety defect and 5000 people have died. At that point,
they'll look at it and when the number reaches 10,000- they MAY take
action.

Best thing to do is post your horror stories all over the internet.
If you're a gluten for punishment and buy another Saturn- might as
well buy that expensive entended warranty. You can be sure you'll need
it! Saturn needs all that money so they can recover all their losses
under those warranties. If Saturn was such a great car, their extended
warrant7y would be reasonably priced.
Mike

(misterfact) typed until their fingers bled, and came
up with:

> sent to misterfact. reprinted here.
>
> I have a 1996 Saturn with a cracked cylinder.

SOHC heads had a KNOWN CASTING FLAW that was covered by Saturn for 6 yr /
100k miles.


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Visit the Saturn Performance Club - http://www.saturnperformanceclub.com

well? just curious who are you and why are you spending so much of your
personal time flaming saturn? are you a disgruntled ex-saturn employee? how
do you know so many negative "facts" about saturn?


marx404

"marx404" > wrote in message
...
> well? just curious who are you and why are you spending so much of your
> personal time flaming saturn? are you a disgruntled ex-saturn employee?
how
> do you know so many negative "facts" about saturn?
>
>
> marx404
>

Good question.....From what I have found through Google...He says he is a
professional symphony violinist who lives in Michigan (auction selling a
violin). He also seems to think of himself as the next Ralph Nader or any
other flavor of consumer activist. In fact from a message he posted in
alt.home.repair on 3-2-04, the tag line was the following...

Misterfact is available to talk to high school students or any informal
group about general and specific consumer rip-offs.

His Yahoo profile says in the Hobbies area: I collect evidence of radio and
television broadcast law violations- and send them to the FCC.

In November of 2003 he put a message up that read Send me your defective
product info for massive internet posting.

Even the Saturn Newsgroup old friend Steve Scharf thinks this guy is a nut.

It seems that he has the biggest rant against RCA Video cameras, Saturn, and
Georgia Pacific (well that and Princess Cruise Lines).

Just do a Google search on misterfact AT yahoo.com and read for yourself.
Though you will need a bit of time to blow. I went through 23 pages at 30
references per page.


Jim

>Misterfact is available to talk to high school students or any informal
>group about general and specific consumer rip-offs.
>
>His Yahoo profile says in the Hobbies area: I collect evidence of radio and
>television broadcast law violations- and send them to the FCC.

Sounds like this joker has WAY too much time on his hands! He must be one of
those types that doesn't want people to do anything for enjoyment.......closing
racetracks, mtn bike trails, etc......all they ever do is bitch about
something....

We had a similar type on an electronics group I also participate in.
news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
When anybody asked how to steal cable, he started to rant about ethics. The
Frank Burns character in the MASH series came to mind...
Oppie


"BANDIT2941" > wrote in message
...
> >Misterfact is available to talk to high school students or any informal
> >group about general and specific consumer rip-offs.
> >
> >His Yahoo profile says in the Hobbies area: I collect evidence of radio
and
> >television broadcast law violations- and send them to the FCC.
>
> Sounds like this joker has WAY too much time on his hands! He must be one
of
> those types that doesn't want people to do anything for
enjoyment.......closing
> racetracks, mtn bike trails, etc......all they ever do is bitch about
> something....

"Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message >...
> "marx404" > wrote in message
> ...
> > well? just curious who are you and why are you spending so much of your
> > personal time flaming saturn? are you a disgruntled ex-saturn employee?
> how
> > do you know so many negative "facts" about saturn?
> >
> >
> > marx404
> >
>
> Good question.....From what I have found through Google...He says he is a
> professional symphony violinist who lives in Michigan (auction selling a
> violin). He also seems to think of himself as the next Ralph Nader or any
> other flavor of consumer activist. In fact from a message he posted in
> alt.home.repair on 3-2-04, the tag line was the following...
>
> Misterfact is available to talk to high school students or any informal
> group about general and specific consumer rip-offs.
>
> His Yahoo profile says in the Hobbies area: I collect evidence of radio and
> television broadcast law violations- and send them to the FCC.
>
> In November of 2003 he put a message up that read Send me your defective
> product info for massive internet posting.
>
> Even the Saturn Newsgroup old friend Steve Scharf thinks this guy is a nut.
>
> It seems that he has the biggest rant against RCA Video cameras, Saturn, and
> Georgia Pacific (well that and Princess Cruise Lines).
>
> Just do a Google search on misterfact AT yahoo.com and read for yourself.
> Though you will need a bit of time to blow. I went through 23 pages at 30
> references per page.
>
>
> Jim

If Jim spent half as much time examining the messages on this board
as he does digging up alledged trash about the messenger- we'd all be
better off.

nice, blame it on poor ol jim....and the reason that YOU avoided answering a
direct question, mr "fact"? nevermind, your last reponse speaks volumes, all
that we here need and more. now go away and leave us alone, your "help" is
not wanted here by anyone. thanks and goodbye.

we would all do well to ignore this one from now on.

"Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message
...

> Even the Saturn Newsgroup old friend Steve Scharf thinks this guy is a
nut.

This is true.

Just remember who was the first person on this newsgroup to report about the
cracked head issue on the SOHC, years and years before Saturn admitted the
problem. Ditto for confirmation of the oil-burning issue. And recall the
abuse this individual received, from people that quietly disappeared, after
being proven wrong.

....different day same Steven Scharf - Steve, you make me laugh and I needed
that today.

If any of the old crowd cared to dig through Google going back to the late
90's I think there would be a difference of opinion. To my knowledge and to
this day, you do not own a Saturn, yet you have made it a point to harvest
information from this group and regurgitate it as if you are a Saturn guru.
You take a line of fact, tweak a piece of it to fit your need or lack of
contiguous thought and then frost it with ego. You have done this over and
over and over again. You are one rare bird.

Do you not remember get flamed after making erroneous remarks, being
corrected repeatedly, posting under your wife's name, and how 'bout the guy
you ****ed off so badly he wrote a poem about you and posted it on a website
for years?

Being a previous GM owner circa 1980 I was wonderfully impressed how much
better my 97SL2 is. I was disappointed with the frozen rings and very happy
the repair was done under warranty. The alternator and battery thing is
just dumb (on Saturn's part). I am disappointed the S Series did not evolve
to the next level, however the Ecotech engine being used in the new cars is
supposed to be superior.

There are no conspiracies here - it's a Saturn newsgroup with a wide range
of participants and I'd guess 99% of the folks can separate their emotional
association (of any flavor) with the car and the company and its features
and problems. So think what you will about your place here and just know
there are always a couple of views and opinions that may not align with
yours.

In my humblest opinion it would have been more enjoyable if even in later
years you bought a used S Series and shared your first hand experiences with
some tips and tricks. There are many of us who won't attempt a repair or
are unsure about the best method to tackle an issue. I believe you have a
technical background and may have been able to contribute in that way. Why
you wish to remotely participate and harvest self-made acclaim is certainly
entertaining, but that's about it...


"Steven M. Scharf" > wrote in message
link.net...
> "Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Even the Saturn Newsgroup old friend Steve Scharf thinks this guy is a
> nut.
>
> This is true.
>
> Just remember who was the first person on this newsgroup to report about
the
> cracked head issue on the SOHC, years and years before Saturn admitted the
> problem. Ditto for confirmation of the oil-burning issue. And recall the
> abuse this individual received, from people that quietly disappeared,
after
> being proven wrong.
>
>