Right turn signal required on green traffic light?

"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, John F.
> Carr wrote:
>
>> That is not true in California. Vehicle Code section 22107
>> requires use of turn signals only when other vehicles would
>> be affected by the turn. The law is the same in Massachusetts
>> where I live. Many other states do require unnecessary use
>> of turn signals.
>
> Like the cop behind him or any number of other drivers at that
> intersection.
>

Don't forget the drivers, pedestrians, motorcyclists, etc., that the driver
HAD NOT SEEN YET. -Dave

It happened at 5:30 am when the streets were practically empty (except
for the cop hiding on one of the side street).

Ken.

Motorhead Lawyer wrote:
> John F. Carr wrote:
> > In article ews.net>,
> > Mike T. wrote:
> > >
> > >Turn signals are required for all turns.
> >
> > That is not true in California. Vehicle Code section 22107
> > requires use of turn signals only when other vehicles would
> > be affected by the turn. The law is the same in Massachusetts
> > where I live. Many other states do require unnecessary use
> > of turn signals.
>
> So now you're left arguing the meaning of "affected". If I had to
> gamble a couple hundred bucks and some points on my license that I can
> convince a judge that anyone seeing my turn signal is "unaffected", I'd
> just use the signal. In fact, I do.
>
> As far as Massachusetts is concerned, common practice throughout New
> England not only mandates that one NOT SIGNAL a right turn but that one
> NEVER STOP before making one, regardless of the current coloration of
> any traffic signals in the vicinity.
>
> Ask the *first* rear bumper of my old Toyota how I know this.
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (foolish enough to believe that 'right turn on red after stopping'
> actually means that)

> Signals are to be used when other traffic is present, period.

You're close. Signals are to be used at all times, because you aren't
always aware of all the "other" traffic around you, no matter how carefully
you try to maintain 360 degree awareness. If you don't see any traffic
around you, it is even MORE IMPORTANT that you signal, to potentially alert
someone you DO NOT SEE. -Dave

"Ken Jones" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It happened at 5:30 am when the streets were practically empty (except
> for the cop hiding on one of the side street).
>
> Ken.

It doesn't matter what happened. The fact is, you did not see and COULD not
see all the traffic and potential traffic around you. That is when it is
most important to use the signal. That is, ALWAYS, as you can never be 100%
sure that you have seen ALL traffic around you. -Dave

In article t>,
Dave > wrote:
>
>"Ken Jones" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>> It happened at 5:30 am when the streets were practically empty (except
>> for the cop hiding on one of the side street).
>>
>> Ken.
>
>It doesn't matter what happened. The fact is, you did not see and COULD not
>see all the traffic and potential traffic around you. That is when it is
>most important to use the signal. That is, ALWAYS, as you can never be 100%
>sure that you have seen ALL traffic around you. -Dave

So you think police ticket law-abiding drivers whose legal
driving you happen to disapprove of? I bet a cop could
find something to throw you in jail for if freed from
the requirement that he only arrest you for illegal acts.

--
John Carr )

Remember it's close to the end of the month. Cops need to meet their
quota for the month. They can always find something wrong with every
driver. What can you say? They are crook.

Royal

John F. Carr wrote:
> In article t>,
> Dave > wrote:
> >
> >"Ken Jones" > wrote in message
> roups.com...
> >> It happened at 5:30 am when the streets were practically empty (except
> >> for the cop hiding on one of the side street).
> >>
> >> Ken.
> >
> >It doesn't matter what happened. The fact is, you did not see and COULD not
> >see all the traffic and potential traffic around you. That is when it is
> >most important to use the signal. That is, ALWAYS, as you can never be 100%
> >sure that you have seen ALL traffic around you. -Dave
>
> So you think police ticket law-abiding drivers whose legal
> driving you happen to disapprove of? I bet a cop could
> find something to throw you in jail for if freed from
> the requirement that he only arrest you for illegal acts.
>
> --
> John Carr )

In article . net>, Dave wrote:
>> Signals are to be used when other traffic is present, period.
>
> You're close. Signals are to be used at all times, because you aren't
> always aware of all the "other" traffic around you, no matter how carefully
> you try to maintain 360 degree awareness. If you don't see any traffic
> around you, it is even MORE IMPORTANT that you signal, to potentially alert
> someone you DO NOT SEE. -Dave

Yep. That's the meaning I was hinting at. There is always other traffic.

"John F. Carr" > wrote in message
...
> In article ews.net>,
> Mike T. wrote:
>>
>>"Ken Jones" > wrote in message
groups.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just got ticketed for making a right turn on GREEN light without
>>> turning my right-turn-signal light on.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if turning signal is mandatory in California? Even
>>> when the traffic light is green on your direction?
>>>
>>
>>Turn signals are required for all turns.
>
> That is not true in California. Vehicle Code section 22107
> requires use of turn signals only when other vehicles would
> be affected by the turn. The law is the same in Massachusetts
> where I live. Many other states do require unnecessary use
> of turn signals.

Why even worry if the signal is necessary or not. Just signal
for all turns or lane changes; you'll never be wrong -- and you
won't have to think about it.


>
> --
> John Carr )

Ken Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got ticketed for making a right turn on GREEN light without
> turning my right-turn-signal light on.
>
> Does anyone know if turning signal is mandatory in California? Even
> when the traffic light is green on your direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken

Since you got a ticket I think the answer is obvious.

Common sense, courtesy, concern about the safety of others and
self-interest would dictate the use of turn signals at all times. It's
a good habit to get into.

In article .com>,
says...

>Hi,
>I just got ticketed for making a right turn on GREEN light without
>turning my right-turn-signal light on.
>Does anyone know if turning signal is mandatory in California? Even
>when the traffic light is green on your direction?

this question explains a lot of the poor driving I see.
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Alex