Ford chief seeks help from Toyota

That is the source of your misunderstanding, you guys are equating NA parts
content with US content.

The funny thing is I asked the question of one of the Ford engineers at the
NYC show last year, he did not know the difference either. I had to call
one of my old friends also retired, from when I worked as a design engineer
at Ford, to get the correct answer as to why three are three numbers for
vehicle assembled the US.

mike


"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
news
>
>
>> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread, unless
>> you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am wasting my
>> time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> I'm with you, Jeff. But I don't think Mike is going to change his feeble
> mind.
>
> If I find myself at the Detroit auto show this month I will make a note of
> the VIN's and domestic content of the cars I look at and post them here.
> It opens to the public next Sunday.
>
>
>
>

Of course people can disagree and still be a nice people, except politicians
I guess. Besides all my friends and relatives love me.

I have been going to the NYC International Auto Show since I was in college
in the early fifties, when it was held in the NYC Convention Center at
Columbus Circle. A number of friends in the business from Delaware and I
would drive every year but now we go by limousine on the first day, however
and that is the day before it is opens to the public.


mike


"Jeff" > wrote in message
news:eszoh.15583$Pe7.476@trnddc04...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>>
>>> http://calbears.findarticles.com/p/a...2/ai_n12553720
>>>
>>> This indicates that the reason why 4 and 5 were added as the first digit
>>> of the VIN is that we ran out of 1s, then 4s, and now we are getting
>>> short of 5s. Content has nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread,
>>> unless you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am
>>> wasting my time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>> I'm with you, Jeff. But I don't think Mike is going to change his feeble
>> mind.
>>
>> If I find myself at the Detroit auto show this month I will make a note
>> of the VIN's and domestic content of the cars I look at and post them
>> here. It opens to the public next Sunday.
>
> I will do the same at the NYC show. I wish Mike would join me, though.
> While I disagree with him on this issue as well as who is #2 in US auto
> sales, he seems to be a nice gentleman who likes cars. I should be fun
> meeting him and seeing the cars with him (or any other member of the
> newsgroup).
>
> Jeff
>

Yet you won't share it to prove your claims, and you wonder why no one
believes you.

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Actually it is because I know so, because I did the search to find out
> why.
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You're making a cyclical argument, based on the premise that your
>> original claim is correct, which you have provided NO documentation other
>> than "because I said so."
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Think about it. The fact two vehicles assembled in the same plant can
>>> have different numbers proves it has to do with content. If not it
>>> would not only be the LT, but some of the F150s as well, that would
>>> exhibit a 4
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> Yeah, it's the 11th digit. Your point is?
>>>>
>>>> My point as others have pointed out, we have more vehicles produced at
>>>> more assembly plants. Your information that Fords and Lincoln trucks
>>>> assembled at the same plant but with different country digits
>>>> completely proves that you are incorrect.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Which office did you work at? I know a number of folks who work in Dearborn,
one of them lives two doors down from me. I will ask them if they remember
you...

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> That is the source of your misunderstanding, you guys are equating NA
> parts content with US content.
>
> The funny thing is I asked the question of one of the Ford engineers at
> the NYC show last year, he did not know the difference either. I had to
> call one of my old friends also retired, from when I worked as a design
> engineer at Ford, to get the correct answer as to why three are three
> numbers for vehicle assembled the US.
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>>
>>> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread,
>>> unless you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am
>>> wasting my time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>> I'm with you, Jeff. But I don't think Mike is going to change his feeble
>> mind.
>>
>> If I find myself at the Detroit auto show this month I will make a note
>> of the VIN's and domestic content of the cars I look at and post them
>> here. It opens to the public next Sunday.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

In my final years I worked in structural destructive testing, on crumple
zone design. I retired from Ford in 1986. You will not find me as Mike
Hunter in any event

mike


"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
...
> Which office did you work at? I know a number of folks who work in
> Dearborn, one of them lives two doors down from me. I will ask them if
> they remember you...
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> That is the source of your misunderstanding, you guys are equating NA
>> parts content with US content.

Nice, so you won't confirm where you worked, under what name, you've been
retired for better than two decades, and your "sources" are retired
engineers as well, who I am sure are completely "in the know" for current
specifications and up-to-date practical engineering guidelines.

And you wonder why no one believes you?

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
news
> In my final years I worked in structural destructive testing, on crumple
> zone design. I retired from Ford in 1986. You will not find me as Mike
> Hunter in any event
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Which office did you work at? I know a number of folks who work in
>> Dearborn, one of them lives two doors down from me. I will ask them if
>> they remember you...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> That is the source of your misunderstanding, you guys are equating NA
>>> parts content with US content.
>
>

The current VIN numbering system has been in effect since 1980. Some of the
'young' guys I worked with and trained are now retiring. You can be
cynical and free to believe whatever you choose,. I could not care less. .


mike


"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
. ..
> Nice, so you won't confirm where you worked, under what name, you've been
> retired for better than two decades, and your "sources" are retired
> engineers as well, who I am sure are completely "in the know" for current
> specifications and up-to-date practical engineering guidelines.
>
> And you wonder why no one believes you?
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> news
>> In my final years I worked in structural destructive testing, on crumple
>> zone design. I retired from Ford in 1986. You will not find me as Mike
>> Hunter in any event
>>
>> mike

And you still won't post anything to validate your claims, you just say "I
know it for a fact." Well I for one have never met someone who wouldn't back
up their claims with evidence that wasn't considered a crackpot. How
convenient it is that you can't post a simple link to any evidence to back
up your claims, since after all it was a couple of guys that told you what
apparently no one else knows.

In psychiatric circles, that's known as a self-reinforcing delusion.

Have a good life.

<plonk>

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> The current VIN numbering system has been in effect since 1980. Some of
> the 'young' guys I worked with and trained are now retiring. You can be
> cynical and free to believe whatever you choose,. I could not care less.
> .
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Nice, so you won't confirm where you worked, under what name, you've been
>> retired for better than two decades, and your "sources" are retired
>> engineers as well, who I am sure are completely "in the know" for current
>> specifications and up-to-date practical engineering guidelines.
>>
>> And you wonder why no one believes you?
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> In my final years I worked in structural destructive testing, on crumple
>>> zone design. I retired from Ford in 1986. You will not find me as Mike
>>> Hunter in any event
>>>
>>> mike
>
>

I could not care less what you think, Dr Spock. LOL

mike





"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
. ..
> And you still won't post anything to validate your claims, you just say "I
> know it for a fact." Well I for one have never met someone who wouldn't
> back up their claims with evidence that wasn't considered a crackpot. How
> convenient it is that you can't post a simple link to any evidence to back
> up your claims, since after all it was a couple of guys that told you what
> apparently no one else knows.
>
> In psychiatric circles, that's known as a self-reinforcing delusion.
>
> Have a good life.
>
> <plonk>
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The current VIN numbering system has been in effect since 1980. Some of
>> the 'young' guys I worked with and trained are now retiring. You can be
>> cynical and free to believe whatever you choose,. I could not care less.
>> .
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Nice, so you won't confirm where you worked, under what name, you've
>>> been retired for better than two decades, and your "sources" are retired
>>> engineers as well, who I am sure are completely "in the know" for
>>> current specifications and up-to-date practical engineering guidelines.
>>>
>>> And you wonder why no one believes you?
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> In my final years I worked in structural destructive testing, on
>>>> crumple zone design. I retired from Ford in 1986. You will not find
>>>> me as Mike Hunter in any event
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>
>>
>
>

Believe whatever you wish but actually nobody has posted anything that
disputed what I have said about the REASON for the three different number
assigned to vehicles made in the US. None of the sites posted pointed to
any other reason or anything else, except the fact that there is three
numbers and that fact has never been in dispute. Simply saying I can't find
that information, does not make what I have said incorrect If you
believe you can find another reason go find it, WBMA



mike


"David M" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:07:46 +0000, Jeff rearranged some electrons to
> form:
>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> You are somewhat correct, the first number of the VIN designates country
>>> of origin. The different numbers assigned, 1, 4 and 5 is determined by
>>> US
>>> content.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> He couldn't prove it before and he can't prove it now, despite being
> proven wrong many times.
>
> All of us have posted numerous references that refute Mike's claims. Yet
> he continues to post his ignorant blather.
>
>
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