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GM, Ford reputations take a hit
Tom Adkins wrote:
> You might appreciate the other muli carb one in the bunch, it's a 63 > Savoy Super Stock 426 Wedge. That car is downright scary. Works of art, those early dual-quad long-rams with the carbs sitting way out over the shock tower! The super-stocks were unbelievable, but just a plain old dual-quad 413 in a Chrysler 300 is scary enough. > > I've often wondered why we fight our little battles with these old > beasts. They were supposed to have been scrapped years ago. We spend > money, time, money and frustration to keep these cars alive. Is it love? > sentiment? nostalgia? Naw, I think it's a virus. But truth be told, I spend the same or LESS actual money on the old car than on my wife's modern one. More parts get replaced on the old car, but 10 of those parts are cheaper than 1 sensor on the newer car. Nevermind that the new car cost around 20k just to buy in the first place. Some people would ask "what's your time worth," but since it doubles as a hobby I can answer "my time's worth too much to waste it playing golf when I could be spinning wrenches and having FUN." :-) > We had about 2 feet of snow here yesterday. Excuse me while I go fiddle > with the choke and dry the distributor cap on my Ford. Hmm, I think that > accelerator pump is starting to dribble...again! No snow here, but it was around 28 degrees this morning. The ol' 440 fired right up like any other day. Gotta love the electric chokes on these new Carter/Edelbrocks :-) |
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Steve wrote:
Some people would ask "what's your time worth," but since it > doubles as a hobby I can answer "my time's worth too much to waste it > playing golf when I could be spinning wrenches and having FUN." :-) I couldn't have said it better!! I hope you noticed the tongue in my cheek as I wrote the last part of that statement. I love old iron, no matter who made it. In addition to cars, here's the other way I have fun: www.lakeshorerailway.org How much is my time worth? I actually pay $20 per year to do it! > No snow here, but it was around 28 degrees this morning. The ol' 440 > fired right up like any other day. Gotta love the electric chokes on > these new Carter/Edelbrocks :-) I haven't actually had a car with a carb in some time, Fuel injection is a wonderful thing. Here's a bit of an oddity that you might appreciate. My daily driver is a 1984 Lincoln Mark VII. It's a 5.0 with Central Fuel Injection. The CFI unit actually has a heated "choke" spring, fast idle cam and "choke" pulloff just like on the old Autolite carb. It's just a fast idle system though, no choke plate. |
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Tom Adkins wrote:
> > I haven't actually had a car with a carb in some time, Fuel injection > is a wonderful thing. I work with "kids" who've never even DRIVEN a carbureted car :-/ Fuel injection is amazing to someone like me who grew up with carbs.... Until something breaks ;-) No, I'm not a luddite who fears or dislikes it. Its very reliable and easy to fix when something does go wrong... just tends to be expensive. Mainly because there ARE no cheap parts in it like there are in a carb. > Here's a bit of an oddity that you might > appreciate. My daily driver is a 1984 Lincoln Mark VII. It's a 5.0 with > Central Fuel Injection. The CFI unit actually has a heated "choke" > spring, fast idle cam and "choke" pulloff just like on the old Autolite > carb. It's just a fast idle system though, no choke plate. The only EFI from that era that I'm really familiar with was on the gone-and-not-missed Cadillac HT4100 (talk about "reputations taking a hit!") that I used to care for and feed for my parents. It was a full-up digital throttle-body EFI, though, all idle speeds controlled by computer. I've looked at the EFI used on the 81-83 Imperial a little, and it was pretty far ahead of its time too. It was actually a mass air flow system, but it reached a little far ahead of the state of the art and was regarded as a failure. Still a number of them out there running around though- they sometimes show up at Mopar shows. |
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Tom Adkins > wrote: > I haven't actually had a car with a carb in some time, Fuel injection is a > wonderful > thing. Here's a bit of an oddity that you might appreciate. My daily driver > is a 1984 > Lincoln Mark VII. It's a 5.0 with Central Fuel Injection. The CFI unit > actually has a > heated "choke" spring, fast idle cam and "choke" pulloff just like on the old > Autolite > carb. It's just a fast idle system though, no choke plate. Crude. Before they figured out how to program a computer to sense what an engine really needed. My '86 Chrysler with TBFI also has a few crude remnants of past approaches. |
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> Crude. > Before they figured out how to program a computer to sense what an > engine really needed. > My '86 Chrysler with TBFI also has a few crude remnants of past > approaches. Crude for sure. It doesn't even have a way for the PCM to adjust the idle speed. There's just a kicker solenoid to bump the idle up when the AC cycles on (just like on a carb). A year or so later the same CFI system used an Idle Speed Control motor that was controlled by the PCM. It always seemed to me that they pushed CFI into production before it was quite ready. |
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Steve wrote:
> But truth be told, I spend the same or LESS actual money on the old car > than on my wife's modern one. More parts get replaced on the old car, > but 10 of those parts are cheaper than 1 sensor on the newer car. Also when you do replace a $5 part, you don't have to disassemble half the engine to get to it due to the order-of-magnitude increase in number of surrounding parts and super-tight integration. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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