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  #31  
Old October 28th 07, 04:27 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Lawrence Lugar
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Default Thought about returning in a c5

i say the vette should remain front-engine, rwd.
but if the brass is so insistant on entering the exotic market with this
mid-engine vette...than make two, two versions.



one should be the vette as its configuration is now.

and one should be a limited production, 'exotic' version, mid-engine
configuration, more horses, track-tuned suspension, chasis, and an improved
interior - all at a premium price...for the american exotic-seekers


by the way, americans suck at trying to be exotic...just look at their last
attempt, with the ford gt (lol)







"ACAR" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Oct 27, 8:35 pm, "Lawrence Lugar" > wrote:
>> lol - i think you have evolutionary and revolutionary confused with each
>> other - based on your sentence composition.
>>
>> if the vette is to remain front-engine, rwd...then that'd be
>> revolutionary;
>> to be evolutionary...it'd need to be mid-engine
>>

> No, a revolutionary design would require a radical change, like mid-
> engine. Evolution is more like the way the 911 has changed (or not
> changed) over time. I think you are mixing up mutation (abrupt change
> in form) with evolution (gradual, progressive change).
>
> Whatever words are chosen, the Corvette is likely to retain its
> current configuration if only to keep cost down. I can't see GM
> investing in another sports car platform until they can regain some
> market share and profitability.
>
> But a mid-engined Corvette would shake the industry if GM could pull
> it off at a low price point. Let the old farts put their golf clubs
> into a Camaro, I say.
>
>
>



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  #32  
Old October 28th 07, 02:54 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Bob I
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Posts: 316
Default Thought about returning in a c5

And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the
regular 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The 'vett
is better balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of hanging
off the rear end of the differential. And it doesen't come with all the
other compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little seats in the
package compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely intrusive
maintenance schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it doesn't
change reality.

Lawrence Lugar wrote:
> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for a
> daily driver
>
> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a supercar
> for everyday
> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>
>
>
>
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as a
>> daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>
>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911 Turbo
>>>
>>>
>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a track...driving
>>> it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat on a leash in the park
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for the
>>>>> sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>
>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>
>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus and
>>>> give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations. (If yhou
>>>> have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian) Putting your fanny
>>>> near the CG with very low polar moment yields a lot of pure joy in road
>>>> sport. Don't judge by something like the MR2 or Fiero or some race cars
>>>> where the engine's center of mass is quite high.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've seriously
>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick with it's
>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed weight -
>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher. Corvette
>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7 comes out.
>>>>>>
>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor use of
>>>> interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable. Any
>>>> production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>
>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance accessibility --
>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks, are
>>>> sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost. Engine
>>>> layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a challenge.
>>>>
>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around since
>>>> the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't prove out.
>>>>
>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has increased.
>>>> Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise prices. My '02
>>>> costs less than does my '89 for all elements of the policy including
>>>> comprehensive. The liability and med coverages are much lower on the
>>>> '02 -- the car is safer! This year's bill is less than what I paid in
>>>> 2005. (the result of placing less importance on ZIP code and more on a
>>>> driver's track record.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> pj

>

  #33  
Old October 28th 07, 09:01 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Lawrence Lugar
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Posts: 48
Default Thought about returning in a c5

you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar, because
everything considered...it Is a great value for performance, good mpg, truck
space, relatively high on reliability.


but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo lovely.

by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's very
reliable(german).
it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace anyways
(it's not a station wagon)



if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the Turbo
model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman, can









"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the regular
> 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The 'vett is better
> balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of hanging off the rear
> end of the differential. And it doesen't come with all the other
> compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little seats in the package
> compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely intrusive maintenance
> schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it doesn't change reality.
>
> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for a
>> daily driver
>>
>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>> supercar for everyday
>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as a
>>> daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>
>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911
>>>> Turbo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat on a
>>>> leash in the park
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for the
>>>>>> sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus and
>>>>> give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations. (If
>>>>> yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian) Putting your
>>>>> fanny near the CG with very low polar moment yields a lot of pure joy
>>>>> in road sport. Don't judge by something like the MR2 or Fiero or some
>>>>> race cars where the engine's center of mass is quite high.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've seriously
>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick with
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7 comes
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor use
>>>>> of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable. Any
>>>>> production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance accessibility --
>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks, are
>>>>> sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost. Engine
>>>>> layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around since
>>>>> the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't prove out.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has increased.
>>>>> Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise prices. My '02
>>>>> costs less than does my '89 for all elements of the policy including
>>>>> comprehensive. The liability and med coverages are much lower on the
>>>>> '02 -- the car is safer! This year's bill is less than what I paid in
>>>>> 2005. (the result of placing less importance on ZIP code and more on
>>>>> a driver's track record.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> pj

>>



  #34  
Old October 28th 07, 11:22 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Bob I
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Posts: 316
Default Thought about returning in a c5

Humm, guess you are one of those "believers". Considering the 911 came
in 5th in the satisfaction survey, it was below the Honda S2000, Mazda
MX-5 Miata and Mini Cooper S. And I'll give you one guess as to what car
topped the list. By the way 20mpg is dismal. Reliable? I suppose as long
as you give it back to the dealer every 30k miles to have the belts and
other flapping pieces replaced. And a while a sports car isn't a station
wagon, it still should enough room to pack some bags and souvenirs for a
vacation or outing. So basically you desire it even if it's not as good
at doing anything as well as a Corvette. Spare change? I suppose if you
are intimating that if money is no object, well a Porsche would be the
last thing I would consider ****ing it away on.



Lawrence Lugar wrote:
> you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar, because
> everything considered...it Is a great value for performance, good mpg, truck
> space, relatively high on reliability.
>
>
> but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo lovely.
>
> by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's very
> reliable(german).
> it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace anyways
> (it's not a station wagon)
>
>
>
> if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
> guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the Turbo
> model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman, can
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
>> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the regular
>> 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The 'vett is better
>> balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of hanging off the rear
>> end of the differential. And it doesen't come with all the other
>> compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little seats in the package
>> compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely intrusive maintenance
>> schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it doesn't change reality.
>>
>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for a
>>> daily driver
>>>
>>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>>> supercar for everyday
>>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as a
>>>> daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>>
>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911
>>>>> Turbo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat on a
>>>>> leash in the park
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for the
>>>>>>> sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus and
>>>>>> give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations. (If
>>>>>> yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian) Putting your
>>>>>> fanny near the CG with very low polar moment yields a lot of pure joy
>>>>>> in road sport. Don't judge by something like the MR2 or Fiero or some
>>>>>> race cars where the engine's center of mass is quite high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've seriously
>>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick with
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7 comes
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor use
>>>>>> of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable. Any
>>>>>> production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance accessibility --
>>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks, are
>>>>>> sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost. Engine
>>>>>> layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a challenge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around since
>>>>>> the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't prove out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has increased.
>>>>>> Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise prices. My '02
>>>>>> costs less than does my '89 for all elements of the policy including
>>>>>> comprehensive. The liability and med coverages are much lower on the
>>>>>> '02 -- the car is safer! This year's bill is less than what I paid in
>>>>>> 2005. (the result of placing less importance on ZIP code and more on
>>>>>> a driver's track record.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> pj

>
>

  #35  
Old October 29th 07, 01:40 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Bob I
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Posts: 316
Default Thought about returning in a c5

Pretty simple Yes or No, you bought a car, would you buy it again?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q... oogle+Search

Unfortunately, your logic says if you paid MORE it MUST be better, which
is a fallacy all by itself. So in your world if it costs less it must be
inferior. In reality, I see a lot more advertising hype, than car when
it comes to Porsche, but hey, believe what you will.


Lawrence Lugar wrote:
> state the publication, date, page, etc of that customer satisfaction
> survey - to have some credibility.
>
> i'd like to see the variables they use.
> but keep in mind, it's made for the masses in mind.
>
> that's like saying a ferrari is inferior to corvette because the masses
> can't afford one, it's too expensive.
> since corvette is more affordable, it ranks higher in this 'survery' - that
> logic, to some extent is bs
>
> corvette is good, i'm not taking anything away from it...but it's like a
> hershey chocolate bar.
> porsche is arguably better...albeit, at a premium price...it'd be like an
> imported swiss or italian chocolate bar.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Humm, guess you are one of those "believers". Considering the 911 came in
>> 5th in the satisfaction survey, it was below the Honda S2000, Mazda MX-5
>> Miata and Mini Cooper S. And I'll give you one guess as to what car topped
>> the list. By the way 20mpg is dismal. Reliable? I suppose as long as you
>> give it back to the dealer every 30k miles to have the belts and other
>> flapping pieces replaced. And a while a sports car isn't a station wagon,
>> it still should enough room to pack some bags and souvenirs for a vacation
>> or outing. So basically you desire it even if it's not as good at doing
>> anything as well as a Corvette. Spare change? I suppose if you are
>> intimating that if money is no object, well a Porsche would be the last
>> thing I would consider ****ing it away on.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>> you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar,
>>> because everything considered...it Is a great value for performance, good
>>> mpg, truck space, relatively high on reliability.
>>>
>>>
>>> but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo
>>> lovely.
>>>
>>> by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's
>>> very reliable(german).
>>> it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace anyways
>>> (it's not a station wagon)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
>>> guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the Turbo
>>> model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman, can
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the
>>>> regular 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The 'vett
>>>> is better balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of hanging
>>>> off the rear end of the differential. And it doesen't come with all the
>>>> other compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little seats in the
>>>> package compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely intrusive
>>>> maintenance schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it doesn't
>>>> change reality.
>>>>
>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for a
>>>>> daily driver
>>>>>
>>>>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>>>>> supercar for everyday
>>>>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as a
>>>>>> daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911
>>>>>>> Turbo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat on
>>>>>>> a leash in the park
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for
>>>>>>>>> the sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus and
>>>>>>>> give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations. (If
>>>>>>>> yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian) Putting
>>>>>>>> your fanny near the CG with very low polar moment yields a lot of
>>>>>>>> pure joy in road sport. Don't judge by something like the MR2 or
>>>>>>>> Fiero or some race cars where the engine's center of mass is quite
>>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've
>>>>>>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick with
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7 comes
>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor
>>>>>>>> use of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable.
>>>>>>>> Any production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance
>>>>>>>> accessibility --
>>>>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks,
>>>>>>>> are sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost.
>>>>>>>> Engine layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a challenge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around
>>>>>>>> since the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't prove
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has
>>>>>>>> increased. Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise
>>>>>>>> prices. My '02 costs less than does my '89 for all elements of the
>>>>>>>> policy including comprehensive. The liability and med coverages are
>>>>>>>> much lower on the '02 -- the car is safer! This year's bill is less
>>>>>>>> than what I paid in 2005. (the result of placing less importance on
>>>>>>>> ZIP code and more on a driver's track record.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> pj

>

  #36  
Old October 29th 07, 02:17 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Lawrence Lugar
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 48
Default Thought about returning in a c5

state the publication, date, page, etc of that customer satisfaction
survey - to have some credibility.

i'd like to see the variables they use.
but keep in mind, it's made for the masses in mind.

that's like saying a ferrari is inferior to corvette because the masses
can't afford one, it's too expensive.
since corvette is more affordable, it ranks higher in this 'survery' - that
logic, to some extent is bs

corvette is good, i'm not taking anything away from it...but it's like a
hershey chocolate bar.
porsche is arguably better...albeit, at a premium price...it'd be like an
imported swiss or italian chocolate bar.





"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> Humm, guess you are one of those "believers". Considering the 911 came in
> 5th in the satisfaction survey, it was below the Honda S2000, Mazda MX-5
> Miata and Mini Cooper S. And I'll give you one guess as to what car topped
> the list. By the way 20mpg is dismal. Reliable? I suppose as long as you
> give it back to the dealer every 30k miles to have the belts and other
> flapping pieces replaced. And a while a sports car isn't a station wagon,
> it still should enough room to pack some bags and souvenirs for a vacation
> or outing. So basically you desire it even if it's not as good at doing
> anything as well as a Corvette. Spare change? I suppose if you are
> intimating that if money is no object, well a Porsche would be the last
> thing I would consider ****ing it away on.
>
>
>
> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>> you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar,
>> because everything considered...it Is a great value for performance, good
>> mpg, truck space, relatively high on reliability.
>>
>>
>> but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo
>> lovely.
>>
>> by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's
>> very reliable(german).
>> it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace anyways
>> (it's not a station wagon)
>>
>>
>>
>> if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
>> guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the Turbo
>> model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman, can
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the
>>> regular 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The 'vett
>>> is better balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of hanging
>>> off the rear end of the differential. And it doesen't come with all the
>>> other compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little seats in the
>>> package compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely intrusive
>>> maintenance schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it doesn't
>>> change reality.
>>>
>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for a
>>>> daily driver
>>>>
>>>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>>>> supercar for everyday
>>>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as a
>>>>> daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911
>>>>>> Turbo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat on
>>>>>> a leash in the park
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for
>>>>>>>> the sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus and
>>>>>>> give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations. (If
>>>>>>> yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian) Putting
>>>>>>> your fanny near the CG with very low polar moment yields a lot of
>>>>>>> pure joy in road sport. Don't judge by something like the MR2 or
>>>>>>> Fiero or some race cars where the engine's center of mass is quite
>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've
>>>>>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick with
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7 comes
>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor
>>>>>>> use of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable.
>>>>>>> Any production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance
>>>>>>> accessibility --
>>>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks,
>>>>>>> are sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost.
>>>>>>> Engine layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a challenge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around
>>>>>>> since the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't prove
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has
>>>>>>> increased. Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise
>>>>>>> prices. My '02 costs less than does my '89 for all elements of the
>>>>>>> policy including comprehensive. The liability and med coverages are
>>>>>>> much lower on the '02 -- the car is safer! This year's bill is less
>>>>>>> than what I paid in 2005. (the result of placing less importance on
>>>>>>> ZIP code and more on a driver's track record.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> pj

>>


  #37  
Old October 29th 07, 06:04 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Lawrence Lugar
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lol - i won't disagree with you on the advertising...porsche sells emotion
in their advertising, while corvette sells its performance stats.
i see it all the time in the car magazines i read.



there's four levels of sportscars:

1.) asian brands
2.) corvette
3.) porsche
4.) ferrari


they're all fine and great cars, in their respective price categories.
but one should ultimatey start from 1 and go all the way up through 4, if
possible

the vette people always say the vette can match, if not beat, the italians
and germans.
maybe or maybe not...but there's sooo much more else than just what 0-60 and
other common stat measures tells.








"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> Pretty simple Yes or No, you bought a car, would you buy it again?
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q... oogle+Search
>
> Unfortunately, your logic says if you paid MORE it MUST be better, which
> is a fallacy all by itself. So in your world if it costs less it must be
> inferior. In reality, I see a lot more advertising hype, than car when it
> comes to Porsche, but hey, believe what you will.
>
>
> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>> state the publication, date, page, etc of that customer satisfaction
>> survey - to have some credibility.
>>
>> i'd like to see the variables they use.
>> but keep in mind, it's made for the masses in mind.
>>
>> that's like saying a ferrari is inferior to corvette because the masses
>> can't afford one, it's too expensive.
>> since corvette is more affordable, it ranks higher in this 'survery' -
>> that logic, to some extent is bs
>>
>> corvette is good, i'm not taking anything away from it...but it's like a
>> hershey chocolate bar.
>> porsche is arguably better...albeit, at a premium price...it'd be like an
>> imported swiss or italian chocolate bar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Humm, guess you are one of those "believers". Considering the 911 came
>>> in 5th in the satisfaction survey, it was below the Honda S2000, Mazda
>>> MX-5 Miata and Mini Cooper S. And I'll give you one guess as to what car
>>> topped the list. By the way 20mpg is dismal. Reliable? I suppose as long
>>> as you give it back to the dealer every 30k miles to have the belts and
>>> other flapping pieces replaced. And a while a sports car isn't a station
>>> wagon, it still should enough room to pack some bags and souvenirs for a
>>> vacation or outing. So basically you desire it even if it's not as good
>>> at doing anything as well as a Corvette. Spare change? I suppose if you
>>> are intimating that if money is no object, well a Porsche would be the
>>> last thing I would consider ****ing it away on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>> you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar,
>>>> because everything considered...it Is a great value for performance,
>>>> good mpg, truck space, relatively high on reliability.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo
>>>> lovely.
>>>>
>>>> by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's
>>>> very reliable(german).
>>>> it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace anyways
>>>> (it's not a station wagon)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
>>>> guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the
>>>> Turbo model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman, can
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the
>>>>> regular 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The
>>>>> 'vett is better balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of
>>>>> hanging off the rear end of the differential. And it doesen't come
>>>>> with all the other compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly little
>>>>> seats in the package compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage, extremely
>>>>> intrusive maintenance schedule. and on an on. Stand where you will, it
>>>>> doesn't change reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited for
>>>>>> a daily driver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>>>>>> supercar for everyday
>>>>>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used as
>>>>>>> a daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the 911
>>>>>>>> Turbo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>>>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat
>>>>>>>> on a leash in the park
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for
>>>>>>>>>> the sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which
>>>>>>>>>> magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus
>>>>>>>>> and give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving situations.
>>>>>>>>> (If yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go Italian)
>>>>>>>>> Putting your fanny near the CG with very low polar moment yields a
>>>>>>>>> lot of pure joy in road sport. Don't judge by something like the
>>>>>>>>> MR2 or Fiero or some race cars where the engine's center of mass
>>>>>>>>> is quite high.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've
>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick
>>>>>>>>>>>> with it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7
>>>>>>>>>>> comes out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor
>>>>>>>>> use of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is laughable.
>>>>>>>>> Any production Corvette has to carry golf clubs... period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance
>>>>>>>>> accessibility --
>>>>>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks,
>>>>>>>>> are sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost.
>>>>>>>>> Engine layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a
>>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around
>>>>>>>>> since the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't
>>>>>>>>> prove out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has
>>>>>>>>> increased. Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise
>>>>>>>>> prices. My '02 costs less than does my '89 for all elements of
>>>>>>>>> the policy including comprehensive. The liability and med
>>>>>>>>> coverages are much lower on the '02 -- the car is safer! This
>>>>>>>>> year's bill is less than what I paid in 2005. (the result of
>>>>>>>>> placing less importance on ZIP code and more on a driver's track
>>>>>>>>> record.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> pj

>>



  #38  
Old October 29th 07, 06:08 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Lawrence Lugar
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the ferrari will make you hot and horny.
the porsche will make your soul dance.
the corvette will make you feel like the lead actor.
and the asian sportscars, lol..will make you feel karatey and chinese foody



"Lawrence Lugar" > wrote in message
news
> lol - i won't disagree with you on the advertising...porsche sells emotion
> in their advertising, while corvette sells its performance stats.
> i see it all the time in the car magazines i read.
>
>
>
> there's four levels of sportscars:
>
> 1.) asian brands
> 2.) corvette
> 3.) porsche
> 4.) ferrari
>
>
> they're all fine and great cars, in their respective price categories.
> but one should ultimatey start from 1 and go all the way up through 4, if
> possible
>
> the vette people always say the vette can match, if not beat, the italians
> and germans.
> maybe or maybe not...but there's sooo much more else than just what 0-60
> and other common stat measures tells.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pretty simple Yes or No, you bought a car, would you buy it again?
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q... oogle+Search
>>
>> Unfortunately, your logic says if you paid MORE it MUST be better, which
>> is a fallacy all by itself. So in your world if it costs less it must be
>> inferior. In reality, I see a lot more advertising hype, than car when it
>> comes to Porsche, but hey, believe what you will.
>>
>>
>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>> state the publication, date, page, etc of that customer satisfaction
>>> survey - to have some credibility.
>>>
>>> i'd like to see the variables they use.
>>> but keep in mind, it's made for the masses in mind.
>>>
>>> that's like saying a ferrari is inferior to corvette because the masses
>>> can't afford one, it's too expensive.
>>> since corvette is more affordable, it ranks higher in this 'survery' -
>>> that logic, to some extent is bs
>>>
>>> corvette is good, i'm not taking anything away from it...but it's like a
>>> hershey chocolate bar.
>>> porsche is arguably better...albeit, at a premium price...it'd be like
>>> an imported swiss or italian chocolate bar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Humm, guess you are one of those "believers". Considering the 911 came
>>>> in 5th in the satisfaction survey, it was below the Honda S2000, Mazda
>>>> MX-5 Miata and Mini Cooper S. And I'll give you one guess as to what
>>>> car topped the list. By the way 20mpg is dismal. Reliable? I suppose as
>>>> long as you give it back to the dealer every 30k miles to have the
>>>> belts and other flapping pieces replaced. And a while a sports car
>>>> isn't a station wagon, it still should enough room to pack some bags
>>>> and souvenirs for a vacation or outing. So basically you desire it even
>>>> if it's not as good at doing anything as well as a Corvette. Spare
>>>> change? I suppose if you are intimating that if money is no object,
>>>> well a Porsche would be the last thing I would consider ****ing it away
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>> you're right - that's why the Vette is dubbed america's sportscar,
>>>>> because everything considered...it Is a great value for performance,
>>>>> good mpg, truck space, relatively high on reliability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> but if you have change to spare, the 911 Turbo is ever soooo, sooo
>>>>> lovely.
>>>>>
>>>>> by the way, the 911 Turbo get's an avg. of 20mpg (i believe) and It's
>>>>> very reliable(german).
>>>>> it's a sportscar, you don't need large backseats and truckspace
>>>>> anyways (it's not a station wagon)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> if you drive both for a week, in the street and track...i can almost
>>>>> guarantee you although the Vette is great, the 911 (preferably the
>>>>> Turbo model) will merge with your soul like no other car, or woman,
>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> And what is the criteria for supercar? As for power to weight, the
>>>>>> regular 'vette matches the the 911. Top speed, same. Balance? The
>>>>>> 'vett is better balanced AND has the engine mid-mounted instead of
>>>>>> hanging off the rear end of the differential. And it doesen't come
>>>>>> with all the other compromises like no trunk to speak of, silly
>>>>>> little seats in the package compartment, gas guzzler fuel mileage,
>>>>>> extremely intrusive maintenance schedule. and on an on. Stand where
>>>>>> you will, it doesn't change reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>> if it's the 'vette...it's the c6, not the zo6, that's best suited
>>>>>>> for a daily driver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but even then, there's a reason the 911 Turbo is known for being a
>>>>>>> supercar for everyday
>>>>>>> ...so my vote still stands, firmly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bob I" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately you have way too many compromises for it to be used
>>>>>>>> as a daily driver so the 'vette gets the nod once again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> the best supercar for the street/everyday life...is by far, the
>>>>>>>>> 911 Turbo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ferrari's and lambo's, even the z06 is best at home on a
>>>>>>>>> track...driving it in street conditions is like walking a wildcat
>>>>>>>>> on a leash in the park
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "pj" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence Lugar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>>>>>>>>>>> it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost
>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of being 'exotic'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot
>>>>>>>>>>> which magazine specifically, i subscribe to many)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All is not race/track in this market. Strap on a 914-6 or Lotus
>>>>>>>>>> and give a 'middie' a try in a wide variety of driving
>>>>>>>>>> situations. (If yhou have more money than I -- a lot more -- go
>>>>>>>>>> Italian) Putting your fanny near the CG with very low polar
>>>>>>>>>> moment yields a lot of pure joy in road sport. Don't judge by
>>>>>>>>>> something like the MR2 or Fiero or some race cars where the
>>>>>>>>>> engine's center of mass is quite high.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "ACAR" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 5:53 pm, "name" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i've read about the mid-engine vette in a magazine...i've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered the pros/cons...and i say, corvette should stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> front-engine design placement
>>>>>>>>>>>> If mid-engined is the way Corvette has to go in order to shed
>>>>>>>>>>>> weight -
>>>>>>>>>>>> then so be it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever increasing HP is gonna send insurance rates even higher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>>>>>> has to find another way to boost performance.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A mid-engined platform should also allow for an AWD option. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly go for that!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Traditionalists will have the new Camaro by the time the C7
>>>>>>>>>>>> comes out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While fun to drive, mid-engine layouts (I speak to less expensive
>>>>>>>>>> criters that I've owned: MR2, Lotus, Porsche, & Fiero) have poor
>>>>>>>>>> use of interior volume. Storage, for a weekend trip is
>>>>>>>>>> laughable. Any production Corvette has to carry golf clubs...
>>>>>>>>>> period.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Middies are a nightmare when it comes to maintenance
>>>>>>>>>> accessibility --
>>>>>>>>>> the flat rate manual hours, for what we think of as simple tasks,
>>>>>>>>>> are sky high. Plumbing for cooling and a/c add weight and cost.
>>>>>>>>>> Engine layout, to keep vertical center of mass low, is a
>>>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The horsepower vs. insurance rate scare argument has been around
>>>>>>>>>> since the first Chrysler 300 -- circa 1950s -- and it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> prove out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Corvette insurance rates have dropped even though HP has
>>>>>>>>>> increased. Drunks, immature drivers and racing exposure all raise
>>>>>>>>>> prices. My '02 costs less than does my '89 for all elements of
>>>>>>>>>> the policy including comprehensive. The liability and med
>>>>>>>>>> coverages are much lower on the '02 -- the car is safer! This
>>>>>>>>>> year's bill is less than what I paid in 2005. (the result of
>>>>>>>>>> placing less importance on ZIP code and more on a driver's track
>>>>>>>>>> record.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> pj
>>>

>
>



  #39  
Old October 29th 07, 07:21 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
JimH[_2_]
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Bob I wrote:
> Pretty simple Yes or No, you bought a car, would you buy it again?
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q... oogle+Search
>


Well, I prefer the Corvette, but to be honest, the survey that you
linked to shows that both cars scored very high, and within a few
percent points of each other. Based on that, and the text that goes with
the table, both got a thumbs up rating. They both ranked below the
Toyota Prius, but I'm not considering one to replace my Corvette.
  #40  
Old October 30th 07, 12:40 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:29:06 -0700, "Lawrence Lugar"
> puked:

>a mid-engine vette won't decrease weight, nor increase 0-60 time
>it says so in the article....if anything, it'll just add cost for the sake
>of being 'exotic'
>
>i think it was the latest isssue of Road and Track. (forgot which magazine
>specifically, i subscribe to many)
>
>pure race, track cars should be rear-wheel drive.


Wouldn't the mid engine be RWD? And the engine placement is for
overall balance of the car.

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