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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
I have a black, 4 door, 1986 Chervolet Celibity. It is in mint
condition (also still has the orginial upholstery)exceptit got a tiny power steering leak which I had to add about a tablespoon of p.s. fluid about once a week. I was told to buy a Rack and Pinion (Cost me $93 counting the tax and core charge. I took it to a well known mechanic and he fixed it. He also said I had a small leak in the radiator so I bought a radiator also. Everything else looked pretty good. Except he, me, and a few other friends, couldn't find it in any book why the fan runs constantly. Most of the books we found had 1985 and 1987 Chevrolets listed. Do I have a "one of a kind" auto. :-) The mechanic said I didn't need any coolant either. I thought all cars needed coolant. (Yes, I am a woman. :-)Any ideas? |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
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Jan > wrote: >I have a black, 4 door, 1986 Chervolet Celibity. It is in mint >condition (also still has the orginial upholstery)exceptit got a tiny >power steering leak which I had to add about a tablespoon of p.s. >fluid about once a week. I was told to buy a Rack and Pinion (Cost me >$93 counting the tax and core charge. I took it to a well known >mechanic and he fixed it. He also said I had a small leak in the >radiator so I bought a radiator also. Everything else looked pretty >good. Except he, me, and a few other friends, couldn't find it in any >book why the fan runs constantly. Most of the books we found had 1985 >and 1987 Chevrolets listed. Do I have a "one of a kind" auto. :-) The >mechanic said I didn't need any coolant either. I thought all cars >needed coolant. (Yes, I am a woman. :-)Any ideas? If the car is cold, hasn't been driven in a day or so, and you turn it on, does the fan start up immediately? If this is the case, you KNOW it's not because the thing is overheating, it has to be because of a sensor. In '86, the fan was probably controlled directly by a temperature-control switch, rather than by the engine computer. Follow the wires of the fan out and see if any of them are connected to a thing that is bolted into the engine or screwed into the engine. If so, measure that thing with an ohmmeter and make sure it is an open when it's cold, instead of a short. If it's a short even when it's cold, take it out and take it to your local auto parts store and get a replacement. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
On Jun 30, 1:21*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > If this is the case, you KNOW it's not because the thing is overheating, > it has to be because of a sensor. > --scott > > -- > "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Someone could have "jumped it out" to make it run all thew time! |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
Scott Dorsey wrote:
> it has to be because of a sensor. > > In '86, the fan was probably controlled directly by a temperature-control > switch, rather than by the engine computer. Follow the wires of the fan > out and see if any of them are connected to a thing that is bolted into > the engine or screwed into the engine. If so, measure that thing with > an ohmmeter and make sure it is an open when it's cold, instead of a short. > If it's a short even when it's cold, take it out and take it to your > local auto parts store and get a replacement. > --scott > not necessarily. Friend had an 85 Cavalier that the fan ran constantly. Sending unit was fine. Step 2 was replace the computer, so he just wired up a manual switch. I believe the wife's 90 Beretta and my old 84 Fiero were the same way. Definitely start with the sensor tho. Ray |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
[Good troubleshooting logic]
A possibly relevant Technical Service Bulletin came out partway through that model year: > 86203 DEC 86 Coolant Fan - Runs Whenever Ignition Switch is in Run That's about all I know about it without dropping some money on alldatadiy.com or https://www.acdelcotds.com/acdelco/action/home but it might be worth looking into. BTW, the fan always running (as long as it eventually goes off -- there is also a TSB for 902396B MAY 90 Cooling Fan - Runs Battery Dead ) is sure preferable to the fan's *not* running when it needs to. But I think any cooling-system bizarreness should be sorted out and repaired, if you like the car and mean to keep it. Cheers, --Joe PS. When working under the hood, keep in mind that these electrical fans can come on without warning even when the engine is off... |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article >, > Jan > wrote: > >> I have a black, 4 door, 1986 Chervolet Celibity. It is in mint >> condition (also still has the orginial upholstery)exceptit got a tiny >> power steering leak which I had to add about a tablespoon of p.s. >> fluid about once a week. I was told to buy a Rack and Pinion (Cost me >> $93 counting the tax and core charge. I took it to a well known >> mechanic and he fixed it. He also said I had a small leak in the >> radiator so I bought a radiator also. Everything else looked pretty >> good. Except he, me, and a few other friends, couldn't find it in any >> book why the fan runs constantly. Most of the books we found had 1985 >> and 1987 Chevrolets listed. Do I have a "one of a kind" auto. :-) The >> mechanic said I didn't need any coolant either. I thought all cars >> needed coolant. (Yes, I am a woman. :-)Any ideas? >> > > If the car is cold, hasn't been driven in a day or so, and you turn it > on, does the fan start up immediately? > > If this is the case, you KNOW it's not because the thing is overheating, > it has to be because of a sensor. > > Correct. > In '86, the fan was probably controlled directly by a temperature-control > switch, rather than by the engine computer. It is controlled by a coolant temp switch input to the fan relay (closed at 230*F); this circuit is also paralleled to a relay output that requires A/C clutch command (depends on engine option: V5 runs all the time and the DA6 cycles) and ECM approval before closing the fan relay. > Follow the wires of the fan > out and see if any of them are connected to a thing that is bolted into > the engine or screwed into the engine. That won't yield a useful result. No engine mounted switch is going to handle 20+ amps on any vehicle I've seen. Motors of this size always go through a relay, and the routing of the wires will not be easy to follow what with the masses of enclosed harness and hidden relay panel backs. > If so, measure that thing with > an ohmmeter and make sure it is an open when it's cold, instead of a short. > If it's a short even when it's cold, take it out and take it to your > local auto parts store and get a replacement. > --scott > Good advice. I hope the well known mechanic referenced in the above riveting story heeds it. Then he can move on to discover the most likely failed relay, thereby taking a logical diagnostic path towards a solution. BTW, I know all of this because, yes, I am a man. (note: ignorant comment not actually intended to be taken at face value) -- Toyota MDT in MO |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
Toyota MDT in MO > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> In '86, the fan was probably controlled directly by a temperature-control >> switch, rather than by the engine computer. > >It is controlled by a coolant temp switch input to the fan relay (closed >at 230*F); this circuit is also paralleled to a relay output that >requires A/C clutch command (depends on engine option: V5 runs all the >time and the DA6 cycles) and ECM approval before closing the fan relay. AAARGH! Why all this crap just for a simple fan? This is the kind of stuff German car makers do. So... first step is to check the fan relay..... ---scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
> >It is controlled by a coolant temp switch input to the fan relay (closed > >at 230*F); this circuit is also paralleled to a relay output that > >requires A/C clutch command (depends on engine option: V5 runs all the > >time and the DA6 cycles) and ECM approval before closing the fan relay. > AAARGH! *Why all this crap just for a simple fan? *This is the kind of > stuff German car makers do. Welcome to the new millennium. The only strange sounding thing about it to me is that GM was doing it as early as '86. I just realized that my coffeepot AND toaster both have embedded processors now. My guess about the AC clutch, without obtaining and pondering the schematic, is that there was a tradeoff between too much current drain at idle (perhaps the reason the ECM gets involved) and risk of too much lag time between actual physical overheating and fan on, since AC adds to the engine heat load and is usually employed when the ambient temperature is hot anyway. A friend of mine called the late 70s and early 80s the "heart-lung machine" era of engine controls... --Joe |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
Ad absurdum per aspera wrote:
>>> It is controlled by a coolant temp switch input to the fan relay (closed >>> at 230*F); this circuit is also paralleled to a relay output that >>> requires A/C clutch command (depends on engine option: V5 runs all the >>> time and the DA6 cycles) and ECM approval before closing the fan relay. > >> AAARGH! Why all this crap just for a simple fan? This is the kind of >> stuff German car makers do. > > Welcome to the new millennium. The only strange sounding thing about > it to me is that GM was doing it as early as '86. I just realized > that my coffeepot AND toaster both have embedded processors now. > > My guess about the AC clutch, without obtaining and pondering the > schematic, is that there was a tradeoff between too much current drain > at idle (perhaps the reason the ECM gets involved) and risk of too > much lag time between actual physical overheating and fan on, since AC > adds to the engine heat load and is usually employed when the ambient > temperature is hot anyway. > > A friend of mine called the late 70s and early 80s the "heart-lung > machine" era of engine controls... > > --Joe The ac needs air pulled thru the condensor. The cooling fans on most cars run when the ac is on and the car is stopped. |
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1986 Chevrolet Celibity
Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Toyota MDT in MO > wrote: >> Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >>> In '86, the fan was probably controlled directly by a temperature-control >>> switch, rather than by the engine computer. >> It is controlled by a coolant temp switch input to the fan relay (closed >> at 230*F); this circuit is also paralleled to a relay output that >> requires A/C clutch command (depends on engine option: V5 runs all the >> time and the DA6 cycles) and ECM approval before closing the fan relay. > > AAARGH! Why all this crap just for a simple fan? This is the kind of > stuff German car makers do. > > So... first step is to check the fan relay..... > ---scott No they don't, or at least didn't start doing it until much later. All my German cars (well, not sure about the '02 GTI) used a simple thermoswitch in the radiator, and a relay (also tied into the A/C if car has it.) That's it. People accuse German cars of being overly complex, and in some cases that is justified, but it's a really recent phenomenon. Overengineered, yes, but overly complex... Now I would say "that's the kind of thing I'd expect from a Japanese car" :P nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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