Revitalized Malibu Takes on Accord and Camry

"80 Knight" > wrote in message
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>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>>> To
>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>> you
>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year old Honda
>>> or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 year old car.
>>
>> Did I mention that I pay CASH for my cars?
>
> It wouldn't matter if you paid in gold. A 17 year old Honda is true
> garbage.
>

Agreed, yes, a 17 year old HONDA is pure garbage. My TEN year old vehicle is
a CAMRY.

"Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>> Did I mention that I pay CASH for my cars?
>>
>> It wouldn't matter if you paid in gold. A 17 year old Honda is true
>> garbage.
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> Hey, that wasn't nice! You just hurt my 18 year-old Integra's feelings!
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> Tegger
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AH, nothing personal, Tegger.

"Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>
> Are you illiterate or just plain stupid? I garage the Camry when I am not
> driving it unlike some idiots who leave their vehicles parked on the
> street or exposed on open driveways.
>

At 10 years old and only approximately 80,000 miles on it, the car sits in
the garage more than it gets driven. Do the math - that comes out to...
8,000 miles per year. Hardly something to brag about. Illiterate? Stupid?
No. Rather, I am quite capable of seeing idiots like you for what they are.

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-Mike-

"Tegger" > wrote in message
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> To the purists, anything post-war is considered "modern". No post-war car
> is "antique" or "Classic".
>
> You're absolutely right that a 17 year-old Honda or Toyota is "just an old
> car". So were Model A's and '57 Chevrolets at one time too. All cars go
> through the "just an old car" phase before a few of them eventually get
> famous and valuable.
>

Quite true - but my point was simply a response to a red herring interjected
into the conversation which introduced the terms and concepts of antiques
and classics.

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-Mike-

"Sharx35" > wrote in message
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> Frugality enabled me to retire from full time work at 42 and to accumulate
> near a million bucks in assets. Maybe YOU want to spend like a crack
> monkey. Enjoy having to work until you are 90.
>
>
>

You are completely incapable of conversation. Just what in the hell gives
you any reason to believe or even suspect that 80Knight lacks any form of
frugality? You are just to ate up with yourself. Good thing though,
because I doubt others are equally impressed with you.

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>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for
>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the
>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>>
>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>>> To
>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>> you
>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>
>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder
>>> the world is in a recession.
>>
>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are
>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the
>> better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their
>> corrupt values.
>>
>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
>> sickness for sure.
>>
>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>>
>
> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled with
> years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always trading in
> their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.

Agreed. While not the most economical, I buy new and tend to keep for 12-15
years. I had to explain to my wife why buying cash was more economical than
leasing. As in short order I owned it and would not be back in a few years
to renew the lease with another, and yet another downpayment, and yet
another... and no getting dinged for scratches and mileage. Once a lease is
over, you walk away with nothing but having to do it all over again into
perpetuity.

Even if you have to take a loan, say $600 to own for 3 years sounds better
than $450 lease for 15 years. And 15 years also has an infation component,
on the 15th year they will be paying $700 while I ride mortgage free.

Finance manages love these lease types. It is like any other debt, pay me
now or pay even more over time but monthly payments seem less on the myopic
one month view. Sucker play.

"80 Knight" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for
>>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the
>>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto
>>>>> circle. To
>>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>>> you
>>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>
>>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder
>>>> the world is in a recession.
>>>
>>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
>>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are
>>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the
>>> better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their
>>> corrupt values.
>>>
>>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
>>> sickness for sure.
>>>
>>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>>>
>>
>> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled with
>> years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always trading in
>> their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.
>
> Not really. From what I have seen of your post's, you are actually just a
> cheap prick.

No, he values economic freedom more than a shinny new car, wise man
actually.

Who suffers more when laid off? The person who has their house and car paid
for with cash on the self, or the over drawn idiot with a mortgage on the
car, home and credit card bouncing?

It even makes for a great family life. Seriously. I have been married for
19 years, and never once argued about the number one cause of divorce,
money. Makes one truly rich.... a great home life and we have everything we
need.

So when I go to work, I see people sweat out getting paid, I spend my
energies being better. My economic freedoms allow me the choices... as I am
not a slave to debt. Boss knows it too, I always get better raises and
nicer projects as he knows I am there for the challenges and fun.

Go ahead, be a debt slave, someone has to support the bankers new suit.

"Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto
>>>>>> circle. To
>>>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder
>>>>> the world is in a recession.
>>>>
>>>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
>>>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are
>>>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the
>>>> better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their
>>>> corrupt values.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
>>>> sickness for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled
>>> with years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always
>>> trading in their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.
>>
>> Not really. From what I have seen of your post's, you are actually just
>> a cheap prick.
>>
>
> Frugality enabled me to retire from full time work at 42 and to accumulate
> near a million bucks in assets. Maybe YOU want to spend like a crack
> monkey. Enjoy having to work until you are 90.

Sharx35, be easy on him. Far too many like him have never been tought
otherwise. They know not economic freedom as they were just a few points
less on self dicipline and IQ, they pay an awful price. Plus, they make
banking cheap for us, as banks could not buy coffee for what I pay them.
They pay ME. They should teach personal economics in high school. Rig it
to real life, banks and governments always win unless you get smart about
it.

But I started in debt with zero, just managed it and not it managing me.
Got it paid off, new car or $10,000 off the mortgage goes a long way to
achiving the financial liberty we enjoy.

I tried retirement at 51 for 3 months, it sucked, I was bored. Decided to
go back to work, new job has low hours, lots of time off. Just wish we
could do the 4 day work week every week.... maybe my next job. But taking
every Friday off in the summer. I made sure of that before I started. And
maybe do Costa Rica in December.

"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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> "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message
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>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> "Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>>>Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>>>To
>>>>them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>>you
>>>>aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year old Honda
>>> or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 year old car.
>>>
>>
>>
>> But then there are the 1st and 2nd generation Civics of which two are
>> notable...
>>
>> 1983 Civic 1500 "S" which was the forerunner of the early CRX
>>
>> and
>>
>> 1982-83 1300 Civic FE which was the forerunner of the early CRX(s) that
>> got great fuel economy.... 40+ MPG City and 55 MPG Highway in actual
>> real world tests..
>>
>> JT
>
> Hi JOAT - true, they are notable, but for all but the most eccentric, they
> aren't cars that one would one would be driving at 17 years of age. Still
> goes back to the matter of them being a 17 year old car, regardless of
> what notable contribution they may have made to the annals of automotive
> history.

17 year old inexpensive car. Think of the money he saved!!!

"Canuck57" > wrote in message
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>
> No, he values economic freedom more than a shinny new car, wise man
> actually.
>

Many here value economic freedom and live their lives to provide that. He
has thrown that out as a red herring in attempt to distract from the
original conversation.

> Who suffers more when laid off? The person who has their house and car
> paid for with cash on the self, or the over drawn idiot with a mortgage on
> the car, home and credit card bouncing?
>
> It even makes for a great family life. Seriously. I have been married
> for 19 years, and never once argued about the number one cause of divorce,
> money. Makes one truly rich.... a great home life and we have everything
> we need.
>

Seriously - I have been married for over 27 years, successfully raised 4
kids, enjoy life, live in a mortgage free home of our chosing, and continue
to contribute to the society I live in. What does any of that have to do
with driving a 17 year old car?

> So when I go to work, I see people sweat out getting paid, I spend my
> energies being better. My economic freedoms allow me the choices... as I
> am not a slave to debt. Boss knows it too, I always get better raises and
> nicer projects as he knows I am there for the challenges and fun.
>
> Go ahead, be a debt slave, someone has to support the bankers new suit.
>

Why do people like you make statements like this? You know absolutely
nothing about 80 Knight's life - whether he is enslaved to a mountain of
debt, whether he inherited $10M from a rich uncle, or whether he is modestly
secure for the rest of his life. He has indicated nothing to suggest either
of those, yet you comment "Go ahead, be a debt slave, someone has to support
the bankers new suit.". That is the very same red herring type of comment
made by the OP, and all that type of comment serves to do is indicate you
are at a loss to deal with the conversation/point at hand.

You and I don't agree on every aspect of the whole GM conversation that has
taken place over the past several weeks, and we don't disagree on every
aspect. I've thought that some of your ideas were over the top - perhaps
thrown out there to simple raise a little hell, but I've also found some of
your thoughts to represent an effort at genuine dialog and debate. This
kind of statement does not serve the latter well.

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