Oil Filter Stuck. Options Please?

Count Floyd wrote:
> Bill Putney wrote:
>
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> > JR wrote:
>> >> This is a first for me. I can't bunge the oil filter(PH16) on my 97
>> >> Avenger. I've tried different types of wrenches, but I'm afraid I'll
>> >> crush or tear the filter. There isn't much room to work. Should I
>> >> leave it alone and change the oil more often (the car has140000k and
>> >> is driven about 100 miles a week)? Bring it in to a oil change place,
>> >> etc.? And will they have any better luck? Or a chrysler shop ($$)?
>> >> Thanks.
>> >
>> > Just make sure your turning it the right direction. I had one on
>> > my Nissan years ago that wouldn't turn and I used the punch screwdriver
>> > through it method and it still wouldn't turn. Then I realized I was
>> > turning
>> > it backwards.
>> >
>> > Ted
>>
>> Righty tighty lefty loosey, Ted.
>>
>> Yep - being upside down messes with the mind.
>>
> Except for the drivers side wheels on old Chryslers!

In the early 80s, I bought a '69 Barracuda 340-S convertible that had
frontend issues, with front tires that had the steel belts showing. I
swapped a pair of decent tires on '70 rallye wheels onto it. When I came
home from work the next day, I found the front of the car dangling on a
bumper jack with only the right front wheel & tire missing... and the lug
nuts for the left front were pi$$-tight.

Bryan
PS: My ragtop is NOT for sale.

"Bryan" > writes:

> Count Floyd wrote:
>> Bill Putney wrote:
>>
>>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>> > JR wrote:
>>> >> This is a first for me. I can't bunge the oil filter(PH16) on my 97
>>> >> Avenger. I've tried different types of wrenches, but I'm afraid I'll
>>> >> crush or tear the filter. There isn't much room to work. Should I
>>> >> leave it alone and change the oil more often (the car has140000k and
>>> >> is driven about 100 miles a week)? Bring it in to a oil change place,
>>> >> etc.? And will they have any better luck? Or a chrysler shop ($$)?
>>> >> Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Just make sure your turning it the right direction. I had one on
>>> > my Nissan years ago that wouldn't turn and I used the punch screwdriver
>>> > through it method and it still wouldn't turn. Then I realized I was
>>> > turning
>>> > it backwards.
>>> >
>>> > Ted
>>>
>>> Righty tighty lefty loosey, Ted.
>>>
>>> Yep - being upside down messes with the mind.
>>>
>> Except for the drivers side wheels on old Chryslers!
>
> In the early 80s, I bought a '69 Barracuda 340-S convertible that had
> frontend issues, with front tires that had the steel belts showing. I
> swapped a pair of decent tires on '70 rallye wheels onto it. When I came
> home from work the next day, I found the front of the car dangling on a
> bumper jack with only the right front wheel & tire missing... and the lug
> nuts for the left front were pi$$-tight.

Sometime in the late 1970s, I broke a breaker bar by putting a cheater
on it and jumping up and down. Yep, it was the left side....

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> "Bryan" > writes:
>
>> Count Floyd wrote:
>>> Bill Putney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>>>> JR wrote:
>>>>>> This is a first for me. I can't bunge the oil filter(PH16) on my 97
>>>>>> Avenger. I've tried different types of wrenches, but I'm afraid I'll
>>>>>> crush or tear the filter. There isn't much room to work. Should I
>>>>>> leave it alone and change the oil more often (the car has140000k and
>>>>>> is driven about 100 miles a week)? Bring it in to a oil change place,
>>>>>> etc.? And will they have any better luck? Or a chrysler shop ($$)?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Just make sure your turning it the right direction. I had one on
>>>>> my Nissan years ago that wouldn't turn and I used the punch screwdriver
>>>>> through it method and it still wouldn't turn. Then I realized I was
>>>>> turning
>>>>> it backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>> Righty tighty lefty loosey, Ted.
>>>>
>>>> Yep - being upside down messes with the mind.
>>>>
>>> Except for the drivers side wheels on old Chryslers!
>> In the early 80s, I bought a '69 Barracuda 340-S convertible that had
>> frontend issues, with front tires that had the steel belts showing. I
>> swapped a pair of decent tires on '70 rallye wheels onto it. When I came
>> home from work the next day, I found the front of the car dangling on a
>> bumper jack with only the right front wheel & tire missing... and the lug
>> nuts for the left front were pi$$-tight.
>
> Sometime in the late 1970s, I broke a breaker bar by putting a cheater
> on it and jumping up and down. Yep, it was the left side....

Kind of a twist (literally) of that scenario: Many years ago, before I
had a sense of how much a given torque value was, I had an OHC Subaru
that I changed the timing belt on. The tensioning involved putting a
certain amount of torque on one of the cam sprockets - in the
*counter-clockwise* direction - and holding that tension while you
tightened the tensioner pulley bracket.

Well, I set the torque wrench to the correct value, and went to apply
the torque - increased the torque waiting for the click - it never came.
Applied more and more torque - no click. I applied so much torque,
it's a wonder that I didn't bend or break something or ruin the belt. I
couldn't figure out what was going on - felt like I was in the twilight
zone. Long story short - I had one of those cheap 1/2 torque wrenches -
the kind you still buy in the cheap tool stores today - it only clicks
in the CW direction - CCW: no clicky!

--
Bill Putney
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"Bill Putney" > wrote in message
...
> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > "Bryan" > writes:
> >
> >> Count Floyd wrote:
> >>> Bill Putney wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >>>>> JR wrote:
> >>>>>> This is a first for me. I can't bunge the oil filter(PH16) on my 97
> >>>>>> Avenger. I've tried different types of wrenches, but I'm afraid
I'll
> >>>>>> crush or tear the filter. There isn't much room to work. Should I
> >>>>>> leave it alone and change the oil more often (the car has140000k
and
> >>>>>> is driven about 100 miles a week)? Bring it in to a oil change
place,
> >>>>>> etc.? And will they have any better luck? Or a chrysler shop ($$)?
> >>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>> Just make sure your turning it the right direction. I had one on
> >>>>> my Nissan years ago that wouldn't turn and I used the punch
screwdriver
> >>>>> through it method and it still wouldn't turn. Then I realized I was
> >>>>> turning
> >>>>> it backwards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ted
> >>>> Righty tighty lefty loosey, Ted.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep - being upside down messes with the mind.
> >>>>
> >>> Except for the drivers side wheels on old Chryslers!
> >> In the early 80s, I bought a '69 Barracuda 340-S convertible that had
> >> frontend issues, with front tires that had the steel belts showing. I
> >> swapped a pair of decent tires on '70 rallye wheels onto it. When I
came
> >> home from work the next day, I found the front of the car dangling on a
> >> bumper jack with only the right front wheel & tire missing... and the
lug
> >> nuts for the left front were pi$$-tight.
> >
> > Sometime in the late 1970s, I broke a breaker bar by putting a cheater
> > on it and jumping up and down. Yep, it was the left side....
>
> Kind of a twist (literally) of that scenario: Many years ago, before I
> had a sense of how much a given torque value was, I had an OHC Subaru
> that I changed the timing belt on. The tensioning involved putting a
> certain amount of torque on one of the cam sprockets - in the
> *counter-clockwise* direction - and holding that tension while you
> tightened the tensioner pulley bracket.
>
> Well, I set the torque wrench to the correct value, and went to apply
> the torque - increased the torque waiting for the click - it never came.
> Applied more and more torque - no click. I applied so much torque,
> it's a wonder that I didn't bend or break something or ruin the belt. I
> couldn't figure out what was going on - felt like I was in the twilight
> zone. Long story short - I had one of those cheap 1/2 torque wrenches -
> the kind you still buy in the cheap tool stores today - it only clicks
> in the CW direction - CCW: no clicky!
>

Yet another reason I'm glad that I've only bought beam-style
torque wrenches!

Ted