If Saturn goes, I will NEVER buy another GM car

I expect GM to survive in one form or another. But if GM drops or stops
the Saturn brand, I am done with GM cars and so is the rest of the
family. We have been loyal Saturn car owners and have found them
superior and different than other GM cars. We have owned six Saturn
vehicles over the years having bought two last year. If Saturn goes, so
will our GM loyalty. In other words GM, you orphan me, then I will
orphan you. I knew that idiot Obama would screw this up. Only his
inexperience could take a bad situation and make it worse.

On Apr 27, 12:42*pm, Usenet User > wrote:
> I expect GM to survive in one form or another. But if GM drops or stops
> the Saturn brand, I am done with GM cars and so is the rest of the
> family. We have been loyal Saturn car owners and have found them
> superior and different than other GM cars. We have owned six Saturn
> vehicles over the years having bought two last year. If Saturn goes, so
> will our GM loyalty. In other words GM, you orphan me, then I will
> orphan you. I knew that idiot Obama would screw this up. Only his
> inexperience could take a bad situation and make it worse.

if they were so good, then explain why you needed to buy so many
saturns ?

GM has killed Saturn, not Obama.

Chris
'92 SL1
'00 SL1

Two years ago the Democrats took control of Congress. One year later the
economy started to go into a tailspin. Obama's lack of leadership and
total and complete inexperience has kept consumer confidence at a low.
Couple that with a failure of the so-called stimulus program that is not
and will not create jobs, is causing consumer confidence to remain low
and therefore keeping Americans from going out and buying new cars....no
car sales means GM, Chrysler and to a lesser extent Ford cannot make
money. Obama and the Democrats took a bad situation and just made it
worse. Lost Hope, Pocket Change.

Chris wrote:
> GM has killed Saturn, not Obama.
>
> Chris
> '92 SL1
> '00 SL1

Usenet User wrote:

<snip>

Now it's time to move forward. With 60 votes in the senate, Obama can
begin the arduous task of restoring America to greatness. In just 100
days he’s already taken steps to fix the military, fix the intelligence
services, restore the moral authority of the U.S., undo the disastrous
environmental policies of George W. Bush and the neo-cons, fix the
economic mess that George W. Bush, Reagan, and the neo-cons got us into,
and begin the long process of fixing our health care system.

When Reagan and George W. Bush were president it was party time. Spend,
spend, spend, and go on reckless military adventures without looking at
the big picture. It was great fun, and everyone enjoyed the party so
much that they forget that the bill eventually comes due. It’ll take
more than just eight years for Obama to undo all the damage the
Republicans have wrought on our great country.

The only concern is that eight years may not be enough for Obama to
complete the task. One thing we should immediately begin working on is
the repeal of the 22nd amendment of the constitution so Obama can serve
more than just eight years. He’s still a young man after all. Changing
the term limit to four terms would be appropriate given the damage that
the Republicans have done to the country and the time that will be
needed to undo the damage.

I agree with one thing. 60 votes will help bury America forever. Lost
Hope, Pocket Change.

Country was fine until 2 years ago when DemocRATS took control of
Congress. When they took the reigns of the country's finances, we went
into decline. When employment has not recovered in 3 years, Obama and
socialism will die.

SMS wrote:
> Usenet User wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Now it's time to move forward. With 60 votes in the senate, Obama can
> begin the arduous task of restoring America to greatness. In just 100
> days he’s already taken steps to fix the military, fix the intelligence
> services, restore the moral authority of the U.S., undo the disastrous
> environmental policies of George W. Bush and the neo-cons, fix the
> economic mess that George W. Bush, Reagan, and the neo-cons got us into,
> and begin the long process of fixing our health care system.
>
> When Reagan and George W. Bush were president it was party time. Spend,
> spend, spend, and go on reckless military adventures without looking at
> the big picture. It was great fun, and everyone enjoyed the party so
> much that they forget that the bill eventually comes due. It’ll take
> more than just eight years for Obama to undo all the damage the
> Republicans have wrought on our great country.
>
> The only concern is that eight years may not be enough for Obama to
> complete the task. One thing we should immediately begin working on is
> the repeal of the 22nd amendment of the constitution so Obama can serve
> more than just eight years. He’s still a young man after all. Changing
> the term limit to four terms would be appropriate given the damage that
> the Republicans have done to the country and the time that will be
> needed to undo the damage.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:01 -0700, SMS > wrote:


>The only concern is that eight years may not be enough for Obama to
>complete the task. One thing we should immediately begin working on is
>the repeal of the 22nd amendment of the constitution so Obama can serve
>more than just eight years. He’s still a young man after all. Changing
>the term limit to four terms would be appropriate given the damage that
>the Republicans have done to the country and the time that will be
>needed to undo the damage.

I suggest we go one step further, change the constitution and install Obama as
Emperor of USA. All our problems will be over. Are we that stupid?

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:00:17 -0400, Usenet User
> wrote:

>Two years ago the Democrats took control of Congress. One year later the
>economy started to go into a tailspin.

And exactly what do you think the Democrats did to cause that? Did
they deregulate the banking industry? No, that was the neocons. Did
they raise taxes? No, the Bush tax cuts remain in force to this day.
Did they deflate the housing bubble? No, bubbles deflate on their
own. Did they waste a trillion dollars (and thousands of lives) in
Iraq? No, that was the neocons again.

>Obama's lack of leadership and
>total and complete inexperience has kept consumer confidence at a low.

Consumer confidence just jumped by the most in four years.

<http://seekingalpha.com/article/134000-still-low-consumer-confidence-improves-significantly>
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGCiuVKXzvaQ&refer=home>

>Couple that with a failure of the so-called stimulus program that is not
>and will not create jobs,

There are signs it is working, but it is really too early to tell.

>is causing consumer confidence to remain low

Typical neocon tactic: repeat your own misinformation until someone
believes it. Have you noticed this isn't working anymore? (Hint:
look at the party controlling the legislative and executive branches.)

>and therefore keeping Americans from going out and buying new cars....no
>car sales means GM, Chrysler and to a lesser extent Ford cannot make
>money.

If Obama hadn't bailed them out, GM and Chrysler would be in
liquidation now. (And yes, I know the difference between bankruptcy
and liquidation and I choose my words advisedly.)

> Obama and the Democrats took a bad situation and just made it
>worse. Lost Hope, Pocket Change.

Whereas Bush took a healthy economy with a budget surplus and put it
in the toilet while giving big tax breaks to his rich friends.

>

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:26:57 -0500, satyr >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:00:17 -0400, Usenet User
> wrote:
>
>>Two years ago the Democrats took control of Congress. One year later the
>>economy started to go into a tailspin.
>
>And exactly what do you think the Democrats did to cause that? Did
>they deregulate the banking industry? No, that was the neocons. Did
>they raise taxes? No, the Bush tax cuts remain in force to this day.
>Did they deflate the housing bubble? No, bubbles deflate on their
>own. Did they waste a trillion dollars (and thousands of lives) in
>Iraq? No, that was the neocons again.

What did they do to *prevent* the crisis? What did they even
*propose*? They, afterall, controlled all legislation.

>
>>Obama's lack of leadership and
>>total and complete inexperience has kept consumer confidence at a low.
>
>Consumer confidence just jumped by the most in four years.
>
><http://seekingalpha.com/article/134000-still-low-consumer-confidence-improves-significantly>
><http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGCiuVKXzvaQ&refer=home>
>
>>Couple that with a failure of the so-called stimulus program that is not
>>and will not create jobs,
>
>There are signs it is working, but it is really too early to tell.
>
>>is causing consumer confidence to remain low
>
>Typical neocon tactic: repeat your own misinformation until someone
>believes it.


Irony anyone?

I bought a Saturn SL in 1994. Drove it for five years before trading it
in for another one. Kept it for four years, but traded it in for a Jeep
Wrangler in 2005.

Bought an SL1 for my daughter in 2000 as I recall. She totaled the
vehicle, but it saved her life.

So, bought second Saturn SL1 to replace it. Almost identical except for
the year.

She drove that for 5 years and then we traded it in for a VUE (2008). In
the process of evaluating the VUE, she and I test drove an Aura. I liked
it so much, we bought it as a third car.

Does that answer your question? We like Saturns. But now the two latest
cars will be orphaned soon. Stupid move by GM. Wasn't the Saturn brand
supposed to be the import car killer? Killing off all these brands
instead of merging the brands is going to kill off whatever loyalty
Americans still had remaining for American cars.

wrote:
> On Apr 27, 12:42 pm, Usenet User > wrote:
>> I expect GM to survive in one form or another. But if GM drops or stops
>> the Saturn brand, I am done with GM cars and so is the rest of the
>> family. We have been loyal Saturn car owners and have found them
>> superior and different than other GM cars. We have owned six Saturn
>> vehicles over the years having bought two last year. If Saturn goes, so
>> will our GM loyalty. In other words GM, you orphan me, then I will
>> orphan you. I knew that idiot Obama would screw this up. Only his
>> inexperience could take a bad situation and make it worse.
>
> if they were so good, then explain why you needed to buy so many
> saturns ?