Cold start flapper.

I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a 50s
VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out, pop
the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.
Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better idea.
Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.

In article >,
"DogDiesel" > wrote:

> I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a 50s
> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out, pop
> the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.
> Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better idea.
> Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.

Why do you think you are a better engineer than the VW designers? They
had decades of experience. You have none.

Fifties ACVWS had a flap actuator that could be reached in the engine
compartment, but it was not necessary to actuate it that way.

Get a friggin clue.

On 12/5/2010 7:40 PM, John J Stafford wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a 50s
>> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out, pop
>> the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.
>> Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better idea.
>> Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.
>
> Why do you think you are a better engineer than the VW designers? They
> had decades of experience. You have none.
>
> Fifties ACVWS had a flap actuator that could be reached in the engine
> compartment, but it was not necessary to actuate it that way.
>
> Get a friggin clue.


feel the love

Come on, there are countless little details in a seemingly simple
aircooled VW that take time to learn and notice. We all had to start
with nothing

BTW my first car was a 1970 1500 beetle. It had the "modern" automatic
thermostat operated flap system, but also a lever on the fan shroud that
might look like a manual lever. It hooked up to a rod that operated the
hot/cold air intake flap in the air cleaner box.

I believe I have seen air cleaner boxes that had a manual lever to
operate the intake air preheat flap. Then later on they used a wax
pellet type (?) thermostat contained within the late model plastic air
cleaner box to achieve the same function.

On Dec 5, 2:00*pm, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> *I'm watching the *old *History channel vw show. *And the owner of a * 50s
> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . *Get out, pop
> the hood and close the cold start flapper. *Get back in then drive on.

Was that the show about the arctic or antarctic?

> Anyone think a cable to the *flapper with a lever *would be a better idea.
> Then trying to get the bellows *set correctly.

No. Always follow directions exactly.
The hat and gloves method is better than frying the engine because
you thought you had a better way to adjust it. After about 10 miles it
should start warming up.

On Dec 5, 7:16*pm, Jan Andersson > wrote:
> On 12/5/2010 7:40 PM, John J Stafford wrote:
>
>
>
> > In >,
> > * > *wrote:
>
> >> * I'm watching the *old *History channel vw show. *And the owner of a * 50s
> >> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . *Get out, pop
> >> the hood and close the cold start flapper. *Get back in then drive on.

On 12/6/2010 4:48 PM, Jim Ed wrote:
> On Dec 5, 7:16 pm, Jan > wrote:
>> On 12/5/2010 7:40 PM, John J Stafford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In >,
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a 50s
>>>> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out, pop
>>>> the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.
>>>> Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better idea.
>>>> Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.
>>
>>> Why do you think you are a better engineer than the VW designers? They
>>> had decades of experience. You have none.
>>
>>> Fifties ACVWS had a flap actuator that could be reached in the engine
>>> compartment, but it was not necessary to actuate it that way.
>>
>>> Get a friggin clue.
>>
>> feel the love
>>
>> Come on, there are countless little details in a seemingly simple
>> aircooled VW that take time to learn and notice. We all had to start
>> with nothing
>>
>> BTW my first car was a 1970 1500 beetle. It had the "modern" automatic
>> thermostat operated flap system, but also a lever on the fan shroud that
>> might look like a manual lever. It hooked up to a rod that operated the
>> hot/cold air intake flap in the air cleaner box.
>>
>> I believe I have seen air cleaner boxes that had a manual lever to
>> operate the intake air preheat flap. Then later on they used a wax
>> pellet type (?) thermostat contained within the late model plastic air
>> cleaner box to achieve the same function.
>
> My late model plastic air cleaner does not have the wax pellet type
> actuator. Instead it has a vacuum advance pot connected to a lever
> that opens and closes the flap in the air horn. Mine is broken or is
> out of adjustment. The flap stays closed and lets cool air in all the
> time. If I connect the hose directly to the carb it stays closed all
> the time and lets the hot air in.
> I do not use this paper element air cleaner except in Summer
> occasionally.
> I usually use an oil bath air cleaner with the wax pellet type
> actuator since, I was told it cleans the air more efficiently.


I may have remembered the designs wrong, mixed up. I dunno anymore. I
need a VW.

"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/6/2010 4:48 PM, Jim Ed wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 7:16 pm, Jan > wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2010 7:40 PM, John J Stafford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In >,
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a
>>>>> 50s
>>>>> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out,
>>>>> pop
>>>>> the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.
>>>>> Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better
>>>>> idea.
>>>>> Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.
>>>
>>>> Why do you think you are a better engineer than the VW designers? They
>>>> had decades of experience. You have none.
>>>
>>>> Fifties ACVWS had a flap actuator that could be reached in the engine
>>>> compartment, but it was not necessary to actuate it that way.
>>>
>>>> Get a friggin clue.
>>>
>>> feel the love
>>>
>>> Come on, there are countless little details in a seemingly simple
>>> aircooled VW that take time to learn and notice. We all had to start
>>> with nothing
>>>
>>> BTW my first car was a 1970 1500 beetle. It had the "modern" automatic
>>> thermostat operated flap system, but also a lever on the fan shroud that
>>> might look like a manual lever. It hooked up to a rod that operated the
>>> hot/cold air intake flap in the air cleaner box.
>>>
>>> I believe I have seen air cleaner boxes that had a manual lever to
>>> operate the intake air preheat flap. Then later on they used a wax
>>> pellet type (?) thermostat contained within the late model plastic air
>>> cleaner box to achieve the same function.

Exactly what im talking about? I said cold start flapper.

>>
>> My late model plastic air cleaner does not have the wax pellet type
>> actuator. Instead it has a vacuum advance pot connected to a lever
>> that opens and closes the flap in the air horn. Mine is broken or is
>> out of adjustment. The flap stays closed and lets cool air in all the
>> time. If I connect the hose directly to the carb it stays closed all
>> the time and lets the hot air in.
>> I do not use this paper element air cleaner except in Summer
>> occasionally.
>> I usually use an oil bath air cleaner with the wax pellet type
>> actuator since, I was told it cleans the air more efficiently.
>
>
> I may have remembered the designs wrong, mixed up. I dunno anymore. I need
> a VW.

"Jim Ed" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 2:00 pm, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> I'm watching the old History channel vw show. And the owner of a 50s
> VWs had to run the engine in winter. For about 10 minutes . Get out, pop
> the hood and close the cold start flapper. Get back in then drive on.

Was that the show about the arctic or antarctic?

It was the history of VWS. Its been on the history channel for years.

They show a guy adjusting a manual cold start flapper.By driving the car a
bit. Stopping , popping the hood, In the engine compartment. And operating
the flap. And it was made that way.


> Anyone think a cable to the flapper with a lever would be a better idea.
> Then trying to get the bellows set correctly.

No. Always follow directions exactly.
The hat and gloves method is better than frying the engine because
you thought you had a better way to adjust it. After about 10 miles it
should start warming up.