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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
"Darus" > wrote in message oups.com... > Gee....care to fathom who racing is catered to? With the so called > "largest TV audience" in the world, I guess "created for TV" is just > what the doctor ordered. You have a better idea? Lemme guess....the old > 12 lap/1 hour session where all the teams hid in the paddock until 10 > minutes remained and then went out and exchanged fast times between the > same 4 drivers? Yep, entertaining TV no doubt. > Agreed. The best change, IMO, is the tire rule. The one set per race thing sucked, at least for me. I hope that they get a bit more of close racing. Last year was an improvement, but 3-4 cars on the lead lap (educated guess) average per race is still sometimes boring. Anyone know if they are going back to slicks? I think moving to slicks and decreasing downforce might help some.......But the big money teams would probably still be able to design around it. Ed |
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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
Can't speak for anywhere else, but Indy is $25 for Fri/Sat combo and
$15 for Saturday only. I'm already there anyway. Don't feel like I am getting "milked". Plus all the support race stuff going on. A single longer segment would be a return to the "old days" of all the cars waiting for the backmarkers to clean off the track and then the "big" teams rolling out with 5 min left to claim their spot. I would support a 20 minute/6 lap limit session in which all teams were required to roll out within 1 minute of the start of the session. This would accomplish what I want to see in a Qual session. All out speed, no regard for having to "save tires" or "pick a fuel level" or other horse**** rules. Get all 22 cars on the frigging track and run HARD. Simple! |
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[OT] F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
Andrew MacPherson wrote:
> Are Bernie & the gang on drugs? I'd repeat the new rules here, but they > went right over my head when the BBC just ran through them. I really > must learn to pay more attention now that watching F1 requires revision > notes. > BBC? ITV, surely? What it boils down to in the end is pandering to commercial TV. 1. Qualifying is split into several "sessions" to allow TV companies to have long-ish commercial breaks without viewers complaining about their coverage being interrupted. (You think this is bad in qualifying? Wait until they bring out the pace car every 20 laps in the GPs so we can have more commercials!) 2. The "best" teams are the only ones allowed on track in the final session, and that's where the top times are set. That allows TV companies from attention-deficiency-syndrome countries to show just the final session if they want. The ITV commentators themselves admitted that the "breaks" between the qualifying sessions weren't long enough to allow the teams to do any meaningful work or adjustments on the cars - obviously the format is just for the benefit of commercial TV. |
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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
Darus wrote:
> Can't speak for anywhere else, but Indy is $25 for Fri/Sat combo and > $15 for Saturday only. I'm already there anyway. Don't feel like I am > getting "milked". Plus all the support race stuff going on. > > A single longer segment would be a return to the "old days" of all the > cars waiting for the backmarkers to clean off the track and then the > "big" teams rolling out with 5 min left to claim their spot. I would > support a 20 minute/6 lap limit session in which all teams were > required to roll out within 1 minute of the start of the session. This > would accomplish what I want to see in a Qual session. All out speed, > no regard for having to "save tires" or "pick a fuel level" or other > horse**** rules. Get all 22 cars on the frigging track and run HARD. > Simple! > What date is the US Grand Prix at Indy this year? |
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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
>I think the "who can refuel and when and by how much" thing is an
>unnecessary complication as well. I thought so to until one of the Speedtv guys gave the rational, the more laps you run in the 3rd session the faster you go because of the lowered fuel load, so each team is encouraged to run as many or more laps then the other guys. This keeps the maximum cars out on track in front of the fans instead of them all waiting until the last 2 minutes. At least that's the theory. I imagine monaco will throw a monkey wrench into it... The first session is to eliminate the wheat from the chaff and the 2nd is to give TV time for the mid feilder's sponsors..... Of course it's all for TV, what do you think timeouts are for in Football and basketball, Hockey has TV breaks built in as well, they're called penalties. The one car at a time qualifying was like watching paint dry (or like watching nascar qualifying)... |
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[OT] F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
Actually think the FIA finally did some things right with V8s, more tires, and the new qual format. Qualifying is now worth watching now even if it blows past some folks.
Wag "KeithB" > wrote in message ... Andrew MacPherson wrote: > Are Bernie & the gang on drugs? I'd repeat the new rules here, but they > went right over my head when the BBC just ran through them. I really > must learn to pay more attention now that watching F1 requires revision > notes. > BBC? ITV, surely? What it boils down to in the end is pandering to commercial TV. 1. Qualifying is split into several "sessions" to allow TV companies to have long-ish commercial breaks without viewers complaining about their coverage being interrupted. (You think this is bad in qualifying? Wait until they bring out the pace car every 20 laps in the GPs so we can have more commercials!) 2. The "best" teams are the only ones allowed on track in the final session, and that's where the top times are set. That allows TV companies from attention-deficiency-syndrome countries to show just the final session if they want. The ITV commentators themselves admitted that the "breaks" between the qualifying sessions weren't long enough to allow the teams to do any meaningful work or adjustments on the cars - obviously the format is just for the benefit of commercial TV. |
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[OT] F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
errr....only ONE 'now' is needed.
----- Original Message ----- From: B Wegner Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: [OT] F1 Qualifying... run that past me again Actually think the FIA finally did some things right with V8s, more tires, and the new qual format. Qualifying is now worth watching now even if it blows past some folks. Wag |
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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
mcewena wrote:
>>I think the "who can refuel and when and by how much" thing is an >>unnecessary complication as well. > I thought so to until one of the Speedtv guys gave the rational, the > more laps you run in the 3rd session the faster you go because of the > lowered fuel load, so each team is encouraged to run as many or more > laps then the other guys. This keeps the maximum cars out on track in > front of the fans instead of them all waiting until the last 2 minutes. > At least that's the theory. I imagine monaco will throw a monkey > wrench into it... Or some engineer will develop a gas guzzling engine map that can use up half a tank in the outlap or maybe an aircon option as a health & safety gesture for the Malaysian heat which mysteriously fails starting the first flying lap? Seriously though I think it is agood step to return to those exciting qualifying sessions with traffic and multiple laps without the waiting game for the lower runners to lay the rubber down. Cheers Tony |
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F1 Qualifying... run that past me again
Tony Rickard wrote in
. uk: > mcewena wrote: >>>I think the "who can refuel and when and by how much" thing is >>>an unnecessary complication as well. > >> I thought so to until one of the Speedtv guys gave the >> rational, the more laps you run in the 3rd session the faster >> you go because of the lowered fuel load, so each team is >> encouraged to run as many or more laps then the other guys. >> This keeps the maximum cars out on track in front of the fans >> instead of them all waiting until the last 2 minutes. >> At least that's the theory. I imagine monaco will throw a >> monkey >> wrench into it... > > Or some engineer will develop a gas guzzling engine map that can > use up half a tank in the outlap or maybe an aircon option as a > health & safety gesture for the Malaysian heat which > mysteriously fails starting the first flying lap? > > Seriously though I think it is agood step to return to those > exciting qualifying sessions with traffic and multiple laps > without the waiting game for the lower runners to lay the rubber > down. > > Cheers > Tony > They only get a gas credit for those laps that are faster than 107% of the ultimate pole time. And the gas credit, IIRC, is a calculated value: don't ask me how it is calculated. So if the driver goes out and does a bunch of slow laps to burn off gas, he won't get any gas to replace that used in those slow laps. That's what happened to MS, and he refered to the "missing" lap's worth of fuel as costing him the race. If he had had that extra lap added in, he could have stayed out longer and Fernando wouldn't have been able to beat him out of the pits that last time. Since drivers don't know ahead of time what the pole position time is going to be, they have to drive moderately fast to get their laps to count. Not the same as full out speed, but still, better than just cruising around to burn off fuel. -- Darryl |
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