Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament

Steve > wrote:

> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>
>> On 21 Nov 2005 10:44:27 -0800, "Larry Bud" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>>>
>>>>The whole idea of hybrids is stupid. Just make cars smaller and
leave
>>>>out all the useless crap. Detroit could easily build a 2500 pound
>>>>family car that gives 40 mpg and costs $8,000 brand new and gives
>>>>250,000 trouble-free miles on nothing but routine maintenance.
>>>
>>>What the **** would you know about routain maintenance, Mr. Drive a
POS
>>>vehicle with bald tires and no dash lights?
>>
>>
>> I change the oil every 1500 miles and grease the front end every 1000.
>
>
> Absolutely idiotic! Changing the oil at 3000 mile intervals is wasteful
> enough given that modern oils are generally good to 7000 or more miles,
> 1500 is just flat stupid. But what I'd expect from an "environmental
> responsibility is for everyone BUT me" liberal...
>
>

Here we go again!

NOT if that coincides with every three months on a grocery getter..


BUT!

Lubing joints that often MAY be bad... tends to burst boots and seals,
leading to premature failure, UNLESS you are very careful.





--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Steve, > was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving
on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:24:42 -0600:
> But what I'd expect from an "environmental
> responsibility is for everyone BUT me" liberal...

Or a speed limits are for everyone BUT me nincompoop...

--

"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?

Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."

Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: >
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg

Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj

Bill Putney wrote:
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>
> > ...And i change the air filter and plugs and rotor/cap every 10k or so.
> > That's what i'm talking about...
>
> New plugs, rotor, and cap every 10k? That's not very smart.
>

I got an old car. Not old enough to have points mind you; it does use
electronic ignition. But even with EI i don't believe that 30K miles
stuff. Same with greasing the front end. Every 1000 miles sounds like
overkill to some people but i think it's a good idea.

John Horner wrote:
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:50:08 GMT, John Horner >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Have people learning nothing from cell phones and laptop computers where
> >>failure to take a charge rechargeable batteries are often the death
> >>sentence?
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >
> > Ever hear of proofreading??
> >
>
> You must have way too much time on your hands to be spending it
> nitpicking on usenet over spelling and grammar. Now go back to that
> high school and make the kids there miserable like so many teachers do.

Uh, Judy hasn't been to high school yet.

Mike Hunter wrote:

> Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
> produce enough voltage?

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
> produce enough voltage?

Put two 9 volt transistor radio batteries in series and you have enough
*voltage* - I can carry that in my pocket. I think you mean enough
power - voltage is only half the equation.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> Bill Putney wrote:
> > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> >
> > > ...And i change the air filter and plugs and rotor/cap every 10k or so.
> > > That's what i'm talking about...
> >
> > New plugs, rotor, and cap every 10k? That's not very smart.
> >
>
> I got an old car. Not old enough to have points mind you; it does use
> electronic ignition. But even with EI i don't believe that 30K miles
> stuff. Same with greasing the front end. Every 1000 miles sounds like
> overkill to some people but i think it's a good idea.

Only person I've ever known to switch the plugs out every 10k or so did
so at the end of his vehicle's life, and ended up selling his POS
beater for scrap. Damned thing belched so much smoke when it was
running (which was rare) and it's idling (if it could be considered
idling) was horrendous. Guy had to keep one foot on the brake and one
on the gas at stop signs to make sure the thing wouldn't choke out.

Hydrides use higher voltage to produce the proper amperage to do the work.
To do so with LA batteries you would need a truck load. All common
flashlight batteries produce 1 1/2 volts but the larger sizes produce more
amps. Ask Mr. Ohms

mike


"Bill Putney" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>> Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
>> produce enough voltage?
>
>
> Put two 9 volt transistor radio batteries in series and you have enough
> *voltage* - I can carry that in my pocket. I think you mean enough
> power - voltage is only half the equation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address
> with the letter 'x')

Better do some research on how the hybrid systems in the Pruis and the
Escape operate, if that is what you believe. When I drove them, while
running below a certain speed the electric motor alone did the motivating.
The engine did not come on until they were up to speed or when the HVAC
system was operating

mike hunt


"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
>> produce enough voltage?
>>
>
> :-)
>
> Very funny, I'll admit I laughed.
>
> But seriously, in a hybrid, the battery is simply used to store braking
> energy, it is
> not used as power source like batteries are in an electric car. The
> energy
> comes
> from the gasoline engine, the battery capacity only needs to be big enough
> to store
> a reserve.
>

OK I was not entirely correct. They would NOT need to design a trailer for
the LA batteries, they will need to design one for the LA batteries AND an
engine driven generator. Ask Mr. Ohms this question. Why are the 12v
battery and the starter in my V8 Lincoln so much larger then the ones in a
motorcycle, neither one of which needs to motivates the vehicle in question?
Why don't they just use 8 AAA batteries and a starter the size of a
windshield wiper motor?


mike


"Whoever" > wrote in message
caldomain...
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Bill Putney wrote:
>
>> Whoever wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hydrides use higher voltage to produce the proper amperage to do the
>>> > work.
>>> > To do so with LA batteries you would need a truck load. All common
>>> > flashlight batteries produce 1 1/2 volts but the larger sizes produce
>>> > more
>>> > amps. Ask Mr. Ohms
>>>
>>> I think Mr. Ohms did not give you a complete reply when you asked him.
>>>
>>> Different battery technologies have different voltages per CELL. A
>>> normal flashlight battery is a single cell that produces 1.5v. NiCd
>>> battery cells produce a little under 1.5v. Lead acid battery cells
>>> produce 2v per cell -- a normal 12v battery has 6 cells in series.
>>>
>>> There are 2 other factors that are key to battery usage:
>>> 1. Internal resistance. This really determines how large a current the
>>> battery can deliver.
>>> 2. Capacity: how long can the battery deliver the necessary current?
>>>
>>> Now, to replace a battery with one of a different type, one would have
>>> to match the voltage and the internal resistance (otherwise it would
>>> not
>>> produce the necessary power) of the original. To build a small 48v LA
>>> battery is not hard -- it just requires 24 cells, each of which could
>>> be
>>> quite small. The overall size need not be bigger than a standard 12v
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> The next question becomes the capacity -- or really, the energy storage
>>> density. How much energy can you store in a given weight or size?
>>>
>>> Finally, as was mentioned earlier, charging would likely be a problem
>>> when replacing one type of battery with another: a charging profile
>>> that
>>> works well for one battery technology may kill another quite quickly.
>>>
>>> So, it's not just about what Mr. Ohm says, but also what Mr. Capacity
>>> says and Mr. charging profile.
>>>
>>> So, the question should be: Will they also design a trailer to carry
>>> all
>>> the LA batteries need to store enough energy?
>>>
>>
>> Exactly. I didn't realize they used a nominal 48V.
>
> I am not claiming that they use 48V. This may be correct, or not. I have
> read that there are some plans to move all vehicle systems to 48V.
>
>> Since we're being picky, as with all units named after a person, the
>> convention is to capitalize the 'V' when *abbreviating* "volts", and to
>> *not* capitalize it when writing it out. For example, you would write
>> "48 volt battery", or "48V battery".
>
> Thanks for the correction. I should have remembered that. I have even been
> to Volta's birthplace.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Mike Hunter wrote:

> Hydrides use higher voltage to produce the proper amperage to do the work.
> To do so with LA batteries you would need a truck load. All common
> flashlight batteries produce 1 1/2 volts but the larger sizes produce more
> amps. Ask Mr. Ohms

I think Mr. Ohms did not give you a complete reply when you asked him.

Different battery technologies have different voltages per CELL. A normal
flashlight battery is a single cell that produces 1.5v. NiCd battery cells
produce a little under 1.5v. Lead acid battery cells produce 2v per cell
-- a normal 12v battery has 6 cells in series.

There are 2 other factors that are key to battery usage:
1. Internal resistance. This really determines how large a current the
battery can deliver.
2. Capacity: how long can the battery deliver the necessary current?

Now, to replace a battery with one of a different type, one would have to
match the voltage and the internal resistance (otherwise it would not
produce the necessary power) of the original. To build a small 48v LA
battery is not hard -- it just requires 24 cells, each of which could be
quite small. The overall size need not be bigger than a standard 12v
battery.

The next question becomes the capacity -- or really, the energy storage
density. How much energy can you store in a given weight or size?

Finally, as was mentioned earlier, charging would likely be a problem when
replacing one type of battery with another: a charging profile that works
well for one battery technology may kill another quite quickly.

So, it's not just about what Mr. Ohm says, but also what Mr. Capacity says
and Mr. charging profile.

So, the question should be: Will they also design a trailer to carry all
the LA batteries need to store enough energy?