And so it begins..........

"John DiFool" wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:34:06 -0600, "Randy Magruder"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hm, are you sure of that link? Looks like it leads to a 'search engine'
> >
> >jwilson54 wrote:
> >
> >> The other side of the story here
> >> http://www.tmcarthur.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52
> >>
>
> Yeah either the site was hacked, or Tim deliberately took it down.
> It's the kind of phony home page you typically see when a
> cybersquatter has stolen someone's URL...

All seems to be still working here..

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:32:27 -0600, "Randy Magruder"
> wrote:

>
>Why do you hate to say it? I have to say that while I understand the
>whole "they are a big corporation...let's collectively hate them for
>it" mentality I often see here, I gotta say, my experiences with the
>NSR team have been very positive and way more open to the community
>than Papyrus used to be.
>
>
>I think it already has the core to be a helluva racing game, as you put
>it, it just needs some bug-fixing, esp with the rules.
>
>Randy
The issue I have is with companies buying up the exclusive rights to a
particular sport, activity. etc. It cannot be good in the long run.
What do we have now for F1 sims since Sony bought it up? Nothing for
the PC. I will not support or purchase anything from EA. It also
helps that I can't stand nascar and everything about it.

Jeff

"Jeff Haas" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:32:27 -0600, "Randy Magruder"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Why do you hate to say it? I have to say that while I understand the
> >whole "they are a big corporation...let's collectively hate them for
> >it" mentality I often see here, I gotta say, my experiences with the
> >NSR team have been very positive and way more open to the community
> >than Papyrus used to be.
> >
> >
> >I think it already has the core to be a helluva racing game, as you put
> >it, it just needs some bug-fixing, esp with the rules.
> >
> >Randy
> The issue I have is with companies buying up the exclusive rights to a
> particular sport, activity. etc. It cannot be good in the long run.
> What do we have now for F1 sims since Sony bought it up? Nothing for
> the PC. I will not support or purchase anything from EA. It also
> helps that I can't stand nascar and everything about it.
>
> Jeff



Funny, why weren't you bitching when Papy had exclusive rights in the
early/mid nineties ? And if you're not interested in a Nascar sim, why do
you care who holds the license ?

Steve Smith wrote:

> Make that two.

Plonkers.

Steve Smith wrote:


>> Make that two.

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> Three

Next!

> wrote...
> Next!

Just to make it official: plonk.

Time for you to think a of new alias, again.

Jan.
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What have you been reading? Can you cite some sources or provide some
links? I'd be very interested in examine this in more detail.

And again, upon what are you basing this overall condemnation of the
product to the tune of "it needs a lot more than 'some' bug fixing".
Is this personal experience or just what you're reading on message
boards?

Randy

DodgeBullet40 wrote:

> From what I've been reading the core is very similar to the last
> Nascar Thunder and it needs a lot more than "some" bug fixing.
>
> "Randy Magruder" > wrote in message
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> > I think it already has the core to be a helluva racing game, as you
> > put it, it just needs some bug-fixing, esp with the rules.
> >
> > Randy

Jeff Haas wrote:

> The issue I have is with companies buying up the exclusive rights to a
> particular sport, activity. etc. It cannot be good in the long run.
> What do we have now for F1 sims since Sony bought it up? Nothing for
> the PC. I will not support or purchase anything from EA. It also
> helps that I can't stand nascar and everything about it.

Well, as for the last point, no one can do anything about that. That's
actually the most reasonable and understandable part of your post!

As far as the exclusive licensing buying binge: I know of no one on the
consumer side that likes what is going on. But really, the objections
are based upon what we BELIEVE will happen and upon generalities, no
evidence. For instance, having secured the NASCAR license, there was
absolutely nothing forcing EA to go the extra mile to make a sim for
the PC. There's not that much money in it compared to the console
titles, and the hardcore sim community isn't exactly as huge as, say,
the "World of Warcraft" community or the <insert first person shooter
de jour here> community. On the other hand, I can also say from
personal experience that the guys on the NSR team have been putting in
days that are stretching until the wee hours of the morning (4-6AM)
trying to fix NSR issues that are preventing leagues from switching
over to that product. They have been, as a team, very responsive to
criticism and are taking these issues VERY seriously. It's easy to
blast impersonal corporate entities, but be careful. There are teams
inside those 'entities' with living breathing people who are busting
their collective butts right now trying to make the sim racing
community happy. Don't be in such an all-out hurry to write them off,
or punish THEM because they happen to work for a huge publisher.

I've dealt directly with the people from Papyrus and other sim makers
and modders and the people working on NSR do not fall short in their
dedication to getting it right.

I hate what's happening at the corporate level with EA, buying up
licenses for years at a time, and I *do* fret about what MIGHT happen
in the future because of this. At the same time, I recognize that the
guys who are pounding the bugs out of NSR at 3 AM are not the same
people who are trying to corner exclusive licenses, and I try to treat
them accordingly.

Randy

I do not own this game...I decided to wait and see if EA could really pull
this off. It appears to me...based on what I'm hearing...that they haven't.
I'm not against EA....if they put out a good sim I would buy it. I have all
their F1 games and enjoyed them despite the awful multiplayer code.

I got most of my information from sim racers that I've known for a long time
that have bought the game. Everything they've told me has pretty much been
confirmed here...

http://www.simhq.com/_motorsports/motorsports_048a.html = comprehensive
review by sim racers
http://www.flog.com/pastnews.htm?newsid=77 = concerns problems with the
multiplayer code
http://www.onlineracin.com/forum/tt.asp?forumid=34 = forum
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/v...41e4d1c 83b70 =
forum
http://forum.rscnet.org/forumdisplay.php?f=873 = forum

I'm condemning the game because out of the box its a turd based on what I'm
hearing. How many leagues are running it right now? I'm not saying it
can't be a good sim...obviously EA has the resources to create the best sim
ever...if they want to spend the $$$ to do it. But this game as released is
going to need a ton of work before it becomes as good as advertised. The
multiplayer is the same as every EA racing sim...brutal. The gameplay
issues with the black flag bugs, controller issues, unlocked rear ends and
other things have most people's attention but what about the physics? When
people start turning their attention to that are we going to find some holes
in the physics model that will require more patching? If they let an
unlocked rear end slip thru I don't have a lot of confidence. Being able to
enter races with edited files...having to edit files instead of having menu
options...the list of fixes goes on. Is EA going to spend the $$$ to fix
all this? I'm not going to spend my $$$ until they do...

Auto Sim Sport gave it a pretty good review...I think they scored it a 90%
despite stating concerns over the multiplayer and EA's track record with
patches. I would have scored it an incomplete...the game isn't playable as
a sim without a patch and there's not much point in having a good sim if the
multiplayer is lacking. Keep in mind...I haven't played the game...so if
I'm wrong tell me...I'd like to be wrong.


"Randy Magruder" > wrote in message
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> What have you been reading? Can you cite some sources or provide some
> links? I'd be very interested in examine this in more detail.
>
> And again, upon what are you basing this overall condemnation of the
> product to the tune of "it needs a lot more than 'some' bug fixing".
> Is this personal experience or just what you're reading on message
> boards?
>
> Randy
>
> DodgeBullet40 wrote:
>
>> From what I've been reading the core is very similar to the last
>> Nascar Thunder and it needs a lot more than "some" bug fixing.
>>
>> "Randy Magruder" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > I think it already has the core to be a helluva racing game, as you
>> > put it, it just needs some bug-fixing, esp with the rules.
>> >
>> > Randy
>