Infinity G35 v BMW 330 i/xi v Audi A4 v ? Passat

I'm trying to decide among these cars. Any help will be appreciated.
Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least
twice). Any other cards I should consider?

All three I'm only considering only in manual transmission.

(1) I really like the power and tight suspension of the G35, but
dislike it's fit and finish (looks cheap, buttons and knobs are a
little tacky, and the headliner is the same cheap one as the one on my
Grand Am rental). Also, the stereo isn't good either, I'm not
impressed with the "Bose" system, and I'm not sure if I could easily
replace it without the interior looking even worse, speakers fitting
poorly or some other problem. When you turn it up (and I don't mean so
that you can't hear people talk) it starts to sound bad (noticeable
distortion) quickly.

(2) The Audi 3.0 Quatro seems like a nice compromise. I give up a
significant bit of power and some of the tight suspension (even on the
sports package), but the fit and finish is the best of the three, the
stereo is really good, and I gain the all-wheel drive. It feels solid,
it sounds good, it drives really well, and I'd feel really safe in it.
I'm upset it doesn't have a real NAV system yet.

(3) So far I've only test driven the xi (see note below). I expected
to be impressed and I was really disappointed (as compared to the
Infinity). The BMI is also pricey, but maybe I'll decide it's worth
it. I don't want to actually pay much over $35k (after dealing), but
then the i will be cheaper than the xi anyway, if I decide to go with
it. Still, it appears they're becoming hard to find (they've stopped
making them and the next ones come out May-July). I'm still not sure
why people say that the 330 ride (well, I'm actually still thinking of
the xi ride, since I haven't driven an i yet) is better than the G35
because it seems softer. It definitely rocks more on turns and if you
just jerk the car to the left and right quickly. The steering also
isn't as tight as the G35. I wonder if people just like a softer ride
than I do. It would be helpful to hear someone even just say, "Yeah,
you seem to like a tighter ride than I do. I like the luxuary ride v.
sports ride balance of the 330, but I realize I don't feel the road as
much as in a G35." I like to feel the road because it gives me
confidence I know just how the car is reacting to the road. I also
like good feedback in the steering wheel. I also like a little more
power than the 330 has.

One further complication--NAV:
I also would really like a factory navagation system. Audi won't have
one until May (I'd consider waiting, but my last car was totalled--not
my fault--and I don't know of a good short-term solution to just
renting a car each week. Anyone know of a good way to rent a car for 5
months?).
I haven't seen BMW's NAV system yet, but I fear that will make it even
harder to find a 330.
Infinity already has a reasonably nice NAV system.
(Note: I really liked the Acura TL's NAV system, but the ride is way
too soft for my taste.)

My dream would be the G35 engine and feel with Audi fit and finish with
the Acura NAV system.

I wondered if there might be a difference between the xi and i on
handling. The Audi salesman I spoke with seemed very knowledgeable and
was willing to discuss my understanding of the 330xi versus the G35
(and didn't even seem to mind we weren't talking about the Audi and
that I might have written it off). He said he thought the xi might
drive differently and suggested I drive an i. When I mentioned it to
the BMW dealer over the phone, he told me point blank that I was wrong,
that he knows the cars very well and they drive exactly the same. I'll
have to drive one.

My last car was also a VW Passat V6. I loved it,
but missed having more power. It was a nice combo of great road feel,
excellent interior, and good power. I wish they made it with a
tighter suspension (so it didn't rock so much on turns) and a more
powerful engine (or even just turbo).

Thanks for your advice,

Rick

> wrote
> I wondered if there might be a difference between the xi and i on
> handling. The Audi salesman I spoke with seemed very knowledgeable and
> was willing to discuss my understanding of the 330xi versus the G35
> (and didn't even seem to mind we weren't talking about the Audi and
> that I might have written it off). He said he thought the xi might
> drive differently and suggested I drive an i. When I mentioned it to
> the BMW dealer over the phone, he told me point blank that I was wrong,
> that he knows the cars very well and they drive exactly the same. I'll
> have to drive one.

I have a 330xi; I love it and it's relatively cushy ride. The xi has
substantially different suspension tuning than the i - especially the
performance package (which is essentially the M3's suspension.)
The xi rides 3/4 inch higher, has different spring rates than either
the i with or without sports package, and has a different steering
box and boost (more). I drive on snow a lot (although the NW is
without it this winter!), so it's perfect for me.

The xi also comes shod with way different rubber than the i, especially
the i with sport package. The xi comes with 205/50R17 all season
tires on 7" rims. I have a set of 7.5" 325i sport package rims with
225/45R17 summer tires, and it gives much more steering feel, more
cornering ability (still body roll), slightly stiffer ride, and of course
more noise. The i with sport package comes with staggered wheels
and tires that gives a substantially different ride. I don't know where
they salesman you were talking to is coming from. You need to drive
a 330i (with sports package), and a 330i pp (performance package.)

BTW, lots of people hate BMW's nav; hard to use, always outdated
street directories, etc.

FloydR

I could be mistaken, but the 2005 Audi A4 will receive heavy revisions
*mid-year*, including the new NAVI system which you seem to be aware of. One
of the new options, I believe, is the new 3.2 V6, putting out about 255 HP,
like it does in the new Audi A6. So, maybe with your placing an order of a
new A4 with NAVI and the larger V6, to be delivered in May, the Audi dealer
would workout a 5-6 months loaner/lease for you? Just a thought. Best of
luck!

Randy

"Randy S" > wrote in message
...
>I could be mistaken, but the 2005 Audi A4 will receive heavy revisions
> *mid-year*, including the new NAVI system which you seem to be aware of.
> One
> of the new options, I believe, is the new 3.2 V6, putting out about 255
> HP,
> like it does in the new Audi A6. So, maybe with your placing an order of
> a
> new A4 with NAVI and the larger V6, to be delivered in May, the Audi
> dealer
> would workout a 5-6 months loaner/lease for you? Just a thought. Best
> of
> luck!
Before you do anything, you should test drive an E46 330i with either the
sports package or better yet the "performance package" which I think is code
ZHP. If after driving that car, you still feel the G35, A4 or Passat are
"as good", if not better, get one of those.

As for BMW NAV, forget it, its junk! If NAV is vital, get the G35 or the
new upcoming Lexus....

try the 330i w/sport or M performance package and you will never say G35
again.





"bfd" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Randy S" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I could be mistaken, but the 2005 Audi A4 will receive heavy revisions
>> *mid-year*, including the new NAVI system which you seem to be aware of.
>> One
>> of the new options, I believe, is the new 3.2 V6, putting out about 255
>> HP,
>> like it does in the new Audi A6. So, maybe with your placing an order
>> of a
>> new A4 with NAVI and the larger V6, to be delivered in May, the Audi
>> dealer
>> would workout a 5-6 months loaner/lease for you? Just a thought. Best
>> of
>> luck!
> Before you do anything, you should test drive an E46 330i with either the
> sports package or better yet the "performance package" which I think is
> code ZHP. If after driving that car, you still feel the G35, A4 or Passat
> are "as good", if not better, get one of those.
>
> As for BMW NAV, forget it, its junk! If NAV is vital, get the G35 or the
> new upcoming Lexus....
>

Randy S's idea is a good one (doing a deal with the dealer).

Other than that I'd be surprised if a car rental company wouldn't do a deal
on such a long period. Even after a months prices do drop considerably.

DAS
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> my fault--and I don't know of a good short-term solution to just
> renting a car each week. Anyone know of a good way to rent a car for 5
> months?).
[...]

Well, not exactly. Last year I compared 330i zhp with G35 sedan and the 330i
was better, but not night/day better...and not ~$5,000 to $7,000 better, by
any stretch. This year the G35 pops to 298 hp (from 260), so I'd expect it
to now out-accelerate any 330i zhp.

I solved the problem for myself by getting a nice used 330i zhp for a little
less than I would have paid for a new G35. With the extra power the G35 has
this year, it would have been that much harder a choice. I'd still probably
get the zhp, though for the added refinement and better looks, though. (From
what I've seen of the next 3-series, I'd probably get the G35 unless that
new BMW I-6 is a real dragon.) They are really very close and one has
advantages in one area while the other is better in another. Darn near a
coin-toss, really.

- GRL


"330xi" > wrote in message
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> try the 330i w/sport or M performance package and you will never say G35
> again.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bfd" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Randy S" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>I could be mistaken, but the 2005 Audi A4 will receive heavy revisions
> >> *mid-year*, including the new NAVI system which you seem to be aware
of.
> >> One
> >> of the new options, I believe, is the new 3.2 V6, putting out about 255
> >> HP,
> >> like it does in the new Audi A6. So, maybe with your placing an order
> >> of a
> >> new A4 with NAVI and the larger V6, to be delivered in May, the Audi
> >> dealer
> >> would workout a 5-6 months loaner/lease for you? Just a thought.
Best
> >> of
> >> luck!
> > Before you do anything, you should test drive an E46 330i with either
the
> > sports package or better yet the "performance package" which I think is
> > code ZHP. If after driving that car, you still feel the G35, A4 or
Passat
> > are "as good", if not better, get one of those.
> >
> > As for BMW NAV, forget it, its junk! If NAV is vital, get the G35 or
the
> > new upcoming Lexus....
> >
>
>

"GRL" > wrote in message
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> This year the G35 pops to 298 hp (from 260), so I'd expect it to now
> out-accelerate any 330i zhp.
>
Maybe. This year the new E90 3 series will be coming out with the new 3.0
liter six that supposedly puts out around 255hp. It should be close.

Could be if BMW keeps the weight down. That extra half liter the GS has does
matter, though.

- GRL


"bfd" > wrote in message
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>
> "GRL" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This year the G35 pops to 298 hp (from 260), so I'd expect it to now
> > out-accelerate any 330i zhp.
> >
> Maybe. This year the new E90 3 series will be coming out with the new 3.0
> liter six that supposedly puts out around 255hp. It should be close.
>
>
>

GRL states:

<That extra half liter the GS has does matter, though.>

Again, maybe. The main differences are probably going to be how much
torque the extra liter produces on the Nissan and which car weighs
more. On a side note, I finally got the latest Roundel, and in it was a
test between the G35x and the 330xi. Performance-wise, the review
favored the 330xi, but said the G35x was very, very close.