The slippery slope is alive and well.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp

<...>

Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
committing an crime, even if it the offense is completely unrelated to
the use of an automobile. People arrested for any of 37 different
infractions ranging from forgetting your driver's license to vandalism,
shoplifting and armed robbery will have their cars seized and held until
a bond payment of $500 is made.

If an accused individual is not able to come up with $500 in cash within
sixty days, the city will sell the automobile at auction and keep the
profits. If the accused has a trial and is found not guilty, the city may
return the $500.

<...>


In one of the few substantial public discussions of the measure on
September 12 last year, the only question Oak Forest City Council members
raised was whether add another $50 fee for anyone who was not arrested
yet still had his car impounded by police. Alderman Gregory Simos asked
why the ordinance did not include this fee.

"We can definitely add that," replied Police Chief Dennis Olszewski.

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Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.

Brent P wrote:
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
>
> <...>
>
> Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
> the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
> committing an crime, even if it the offense is completely unrelated to
> the use of an automobile. People arrested for any of 37 different
> infractions ranging from forgetting your driver's license to vandalism,
> shoplifting and armed robbery will have their cars seized and held until
> a bond payment of $500 is made.
>
> If an accused individual is not able to come up with $500 in cash within
> sixty days, the city will sell the automobile at auction and keep the
> profits. If the accused has a trial and is found not guilty, the city may
> return the $500.
>
> <...>
>
>
> In one of the few substantial public discussions of the measure on
> September 12 last year, the only question Oak Forest City Council members
> raised was whether add another $50 fee for anyone who was not arrested
> yet still had his car impounded by police. Alderman Gregory Simos asked
> why the ordinance did not include this fee.
>
> "We can definitely add that," replied Police Chief Dennis Olszewski.
>
> ----------------------------
>
>
> Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
> some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.
>
>

Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.

In article .net>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:

> Brent P wrote:
> > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
> >
> > <...>
> >
> > Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
> > the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
> > committing an crime, even if it the offense is completely unrelated to
> > the use of an automobile. People arrested for any of 37 different
> > infractions ranging from forgetting your driver's license to vandalism,
> > shoplifting and armed robbery will have their cars seized and held until
> > a bond payment of $500 is made.
> >
> > If an accused individual is not able to come up with $500 in cash within
> > sixty days, the city will sell the automobile at auction and keep the
> > profits. If the accused has a trial and is found not guilty, the city may
> > return the $500.
> >
> > <...>
> >
> >
> > In one of the few substantial public discussions of the measure on
> > September 12 last year, the only question Oak Forest City Council members
> > raised was whether add another $50 fee for anyone who was not arrested
> > yet still had his car impounded by police. Alderman Gregory Simos asked
> > why the ordinance did not include this fee.
> >
> > "We can definitely add that," replied Police Chief Dennis Olszewski.
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> >
> > Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
> > some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.
> >
> >
>
> Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
> felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.

Citation for that...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>> Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
>> some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.
>>
>>
>
>Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
>felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.

Surely even you are too stupid to recognize the difference?

Sorry, I forgot who you were for a sec.


--

We're all here
because we're not all there.

Brent P wrote:

> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
>
>
> Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
> the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
> committing an crime

Just accuse ? Is this place 'twinned' with a certain Salem by any chance ?

The opportunity for abuse of such a power is mind boggling.

Graham

In article >, Eeyore wrote:
>
>
> Brent P wrote:
>
>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
>>
>>
>> Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
>> the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
>> committing an crime
>
> Just accuse ? Is this place 'twinned' with a certain Salem by any chance ?
>
> The opportunity for abuse of such a power is mind boggling.

It's the result of people like you who thought people like me were crazy.
When we object to it when it starts, the moron majority screams 'tin foil
hat'. Well, guess what... maybe it won't be just those 'bad people', maybe
it will be you.

The UK where you live is entering the sci-fi distopia hover-drone phase.
Not to mention has a variety of assinine car seizure laws of its own.

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article .net>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
>
>> Brent P wrote:
>>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>> Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
>>> the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
>>> committing an crime, even if it the offense is completely unrelated to
>>> the use of an automobile. People arrested for any of 37 different
>>> infractions ranging from forgetting your driver's license to vandalism,
>>> shoplifting and armed robbery will have their cars seized and held until
>>> a bond payment of $500 is made.
>>>
>>> If an accused individual is not able to come up with $500 in cash within
>>> sixty days, the city will sell the automobile at auction and keep the
>>> profits. If the accused has a trial and is found not guilty, the city may
>>> return the $500.
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>
>>> In one of the few substantial public discussions of the measure on
>>> September 12 last year, the only question Oak Forest City Council members
>>> raised was whether add another $50 fee for anyone who was not arrested
>>> yet still had his car impounded by police. Alderman Gregory Simos asked
>>> why the ordinance did not include this fee.
>>>
>>> "We can definitely add that," replied Police Chief Dennis Olszewski.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
>>> some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.
>>>
>>>
>> Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
>> felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.
>
> Citation for that...
>

Look it up yourself, you moron.

In article .net>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article .net>,
> > Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
> >
> >> Brent P wrote:
> >>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1779.asp
> >>>
> >>> <...>
> >>>
> >>> Beginning next month, the city of Oak Forest, Illinois will give police
> >>> the authority to seize the automobile belonging to anyone they accuse of
> >>> committing an crime, even if it the offense is completely unrelated to
> >>> the use of an automobile. People arrested for any of 37 different
> >>> infractions ranging from forgetting your driver's license to vandalism,
> >>> shoplifting and armed robbery will have their cars seized and held until
> >>> a bond payment of $500 is made.
> >>>
> >>> If an accused individual is not able to come up with $500 in cash within
> >>> sixty days, the city will sell the automobile at auction and keep the
> >>> profits. If the accused has a trial and is found not guilty, the city may
> >>> return the $500.
> >>>
> >>> <...>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In one of the few substantial public discussions of the measure on
> >>> September 12 last year, the only question Oak Forest City Council members
> >>> raised was whether add another $50 fee for anyone who was not arrested
> >>> yet still had his car impounded by police. Alderman Gregory Simos asked
> >>> why the ordinance did not include this fee.
> >>>
> >>> "We can definitely add that," replied Police Chief Dennis Olszewski.
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Due process is a thing of the past apparently. Now if you are accused of
> >>> some crime that has nothing to do with driving, they take your car.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
> >> felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.
> >
> > Citation for that...
> >
>
> Look it up yourself, you moron.

Nope.

Your claim: you look it up.

Frankly, I think you're full of ****.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article .net>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article .net>,
>>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>> Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
>>>> felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.
>>> Citation for that...
>>>
>> Look it up yourself, you moron.
>
> Nope.
>
> Your claim: you look it up.
>
> Frankly, I think you're full of ****.
>

Well then, you're an idiot cause this is something everybody knows but you.

http://www.coloradoprojectexile.com/Gun%20Criminals.htm

In law enforcement jargon, gun criminals are called “prohibited
people.” They’re generally people who have broken the law, like felons,
drug users and fugitives. Federal law bars them from owning any gun,
whether the gun itself is legal or not.

The list of prohibited people includes:

* Felons
* People under felony indictment
* Drug users or addicts
* Illegal and some legal aliens
* People subject to a domestic restraining order
* People with a prior misdemeanor conviction for domestic assault
* Fugitives
* People dishonorably discharged from the military
* People judged mentally incompetent

The penalty for a prohibited person caught with a gun ranges from
10 years to life, depending on the number and type of guns and the
person’s previous criminal record.

In article .net>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article .net>,
> > Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article .net>,
> >>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS > wrote:
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>> Similar thing is done with guns. If you are merely indicted for a
> >>>> felony, you cannot own a gun. Been that way for years.
> >>> Citation for that...
> >>>
> >> Look it up yourself, you moron.
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > Your claim: you look it up.
> >
> > Frankly, I think you're full of ****.
> >
>
> Well then, you're an idiot cause this is something everybody knows but you.
>
> http://www.coloradoprojectexile.com/Gun%20Criminals.htm
>
> In law enforcement jargon, gun criminals are called ³prohibited
> people.² They¹re generally people who have broken the law, like felons,
> drug users and fugitives. Federal law bars them from owning any gun,
> whether the gun itself is legal or not.
>
> The list of prohibited people includes:
>
> * Felons
> * People under felony indictment
> * Drug users or addicts
> * Illegal and some legal aliens
> * People subject to a domestic restraining order
> * People with a prior misdemeanor conviction for domestic assault
> * Fugitives
> * People dishonorably discharged from the military
> * People judged mentally incompetent
>
> The penalty for a prohibited person caught with a gun ranges from
> 10 years to life, depending on the number and type of guns and the
> person¹s previous criminal record.

Well, bravo!

You were correct for once.

But:

A. Arrest is not indictment.

B. A car is a mode of transportation.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."