Spark Plugs for 4.7L V–8 2005 Dakota

The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:

The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
spark plugs. They must be
replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
another spark plug is substituted, preignition
will result.

Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
What's the reason for the need for copper core?

TIA.

bryan ohio wrote:
> The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:
>
> The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
> spark plugs. They must be
> replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
> another spark plug is substituted, preignition
> will result.
>
> Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
> What's the reason for the need for copper core?
>
> TIA.

What the heck do they mean by "ground electrode"?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Bill Putney wrote:
> bryan ohio wrote:
>> The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:
>>
>> The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
>> spark plugs. They must be
>> replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
>> another spark plug is substituted, preignition
>> will result.
>>
>> Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
>> What's the reason for the need for copper core?
>>
>> TIA.
>
> What the heck do they mean by "ground electrode"?
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')

I think I just figured it out. They literally do mean that the ground
(outer) electrode is solid copper. Copper is a very good thermal
conductor, so having that electrode made of copper lessens the
likelihood of pre-ignition because it will be cooled by a better thermal
connection to the cylinder head (cylinder head acts as a heat sink).

--
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

bryan ohio wrote:
> The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:
>
> The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
> spark plugs. They must be
> replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
> another spark plug is substituted, preignition
> will result.
>
> Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
> What's the reason for the need for copper core?

A) it works better
B) Pt electrodes typically have one wire very fine and the other large.
Since a waste-spark ignition system depends on the plug not caring about
the polarity of voltage its fed, fine-wire plugs are a bad idea.
C) Did I mention platinum plugs are a waste of money?

Steve > writes:

> bryan ohio wrote:
>> The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:
>>
>> The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
>> spark plugs. They must be
>> replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
>> another spark plug is substituted, preignition
>> will result.
>>
>> Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
>> What's the reason for the need for copper core?
>
> A) it works better
> B) Pt electrodes typically have one wire very fine and the other
> large. Since a waste-spark ignition system depends on the plug not
> caring about the polarity of voltage its fed, fine-wire plugs are a
> bad idea.

Is this true of platinum plugs other than Bosch? I'm particularly
remembering autolites as having a very normal-looking center
electrode, with a platinum cap on it. Also, I thought it was only
coil-pack systems that drive half the plugs backwards -- for which
there are double-platinum plugs.

> C) Did I mention platinum plugs are a waste of money?

My experience with them is that they change spark plugs into a
non-maintenance item. I can't think of when I've inspected a platinum
plug that turned out to need replacing, and didn't have some other
good reason (a blown head gasket being the particular example I'm
thinking of) for failing.

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Steve > writes:
>
>> bryan ohio wrote:
>>> The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:
>>>
>>> The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
>>> spark plugs. They must be
>>> replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
>>> another spark plug is substituted, preignition
>>> will result.
>>>
>>> Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
>>> What's the reason for the need for copper core?
>> A) it works better
>> B) Pt electrodes typically have one wire very fine and the other
>> large. Since a waste-spark ignition system depends on the plug not
>> caring about the polarity of voltage its fed, fine-wire plugs are a
>> bad idea.
>
> Is this true of platinum plugs other than Bosch?

Its not AS true of others. IIRC, Autolites have a center electrode maybe
half the size of their copper plug, but much larger than Bosch.
> I'm particularly
> remembering autolites as having a very normal-looking center
> electrode, with a platinum cap on it. Also, I thought it was only
> coil-pack systems that drive half the plugs backwards -- for which
> there are double-platinum plugs.
>

I think another poster probably hit on it- the 4.7 needs a copper
ground electrode that will conduct away heat faster after the combustion
cycle.

>> C) Did I mention platinum plugs are a waste of money?
>
> My experience with them is that they change spark plugs into a
> non-maintenance item.

Given that my recently-acquired Jeep had its installed-at-Chrysler in
late 1998 copper Champions in it when I bought it 2 months ago (with
120,000 miles) and they were only opened up to about .045 from .035 and
had no deposits at all to speak of, I'd say that its electronic engine
management that has turned plugs into a non-maintenance item. I replaced
the plugs, wires, cap, and rotor... and noticed NO difference in the way
the Jeep runs. It could probably have racked up another 50k miles on
those plugs.

Steve > writes:

> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>
>> My experience with them is that they change spark plugs into a
>> non-maintenance item.
>
> Given that my recently-acquired Jeep had its installed-at-Chrysler in
> late 1998 copper Champions in it when I bought it 2 months ago (with
> 120,000 miles) and they were only opened up to about .045 from .035
> and had no deposits at all to speak of, I'd say that its electronic
> engine management that has turned plugs into a non-maintenance item. I
> replaced the plugs, wires, cap, and rotor... and noticed NO difference
> in the way the Jeep runs. It could probably have racked up another 50k
> miles on those plugs.

Becca's Neon, on the other hand, which also had a little over 100K
miles when we got it, had plugs that were eroded to near uselessness.
It got double-platinums, but I'll never know how they wear since we've
now sold the car.