PETITION TO STOP AL GORE AND LEFT-WING ENVIRONMENTAL WACKOS !

Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in news:mMGdnRN-
> :
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> elaich wrote:
>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trouble is he can't do it without Congress gong along with it.
>>>>> He also can't do it without the state itself allowing it. The
>>>>> Guvernator has already said "nein" to drilling off the coast of
>>>>> California. I don't know why the states have veto power over thism,
>>>>> but they do.
>>>> The states have no jurisdiction over territorial waters. The
> Federal
>>>> government could run it right up Arnold's ass if they chose to do
> it.
>>> Don't know about other states, but Florida currently outlaws drilling
> a
>>> certain number of miles off the coast. Don't recall the exact
> number.
>> The only area a state can control is within its boundaries. My guess
> is
>> that all states that bound oceans have their borders set at the point
>> where water hits the land at mean sea level. Maybe I'll do a Google
>> search later and see what I can find. I am assuming Florida has the
>> same restraints as Virginia.
>
> It's at least several miles out, according to this (a very interesting
> read, btw):
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5udrq7
>
> Make sure you check out the map down into the document.

I haven't read throught it all but it looks like they default to the
Feds on quite a few things. All the Feds have to do is say that
domestic drilling is now a matter of national security and they can do
whatever they please anywhere they please. Look at what they did during
WWII to complete the Manhattan Project. The states they built the
facilities in had no idea what was going on and they were setting off
nukes above ground!

Spike wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:11:39 -0400, Michael Johnson >
> wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Spike > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
> <SNIP>
>>>> ......STALEMATE.....
>>> It all gets back to the whole greed/power thing, and the stakes are
>>> getting higher every day. When we're up to $5/gallon and it costs
>>> double to feed your family than it did today, people simply won't be
>>> able to afford "going green".
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see how many "greenies" will be starving because they
>>> can't afford groceries, but they'll be driving their Priuses...
>> .... or they go into $20k of debt to buy a hybrid when the car they were
>> driving was paid. Unless they drive 100+ miles a day the math just
>> doesn't add up. Then again the "greenies" have never been good with
>> math, or common sense for that matter, anyway. If the current
>> politicians don't do something about fuel prices soon the public is
>> going to vote them out en masse. We are getting quite good at detecting
>> bull **** from them and our patience is wearing thin.
>>
>> Listen to Obama talk about gas prices and what he proposes as solutions.
>> It is nothing but a bunch of double talk and high tech government
>> programs to solve our energy problems TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW!!! That is
>> assuming he can even deliver the bull **** he promises. Plus, who
>> exactly is he going to tax to pay for it all? The rich aren't rich
>> enough to pay for it, government run health care, increased school
>> spending, more welfare programs, etc. He will be taxing us all into
>> oblivion. Sorry for the rant but this stuff really is starting to ****
>> me off.
>
> Just read an article that people should quit thinking in MPG and start
> thinking in GPM.
>
> Yeah, it doesn't pay to get rid of a car that is paid for, just to buy
> a greener for the mileage.
>
> I do notice that a large portion, and growing, of the population is
> being cut out of society. Baby boomers who can't afford the cost of
> cable tv, let alone buy a new tv set. People who can't afford to keep
> up with the changes in computers, cell phones, or anything else, let
> alone afford broadband, wireless, camera phones, etc.
>
> I've been wondering when the order will come down to ship us off to
> the kool aid camps......

Their plan is to raise the retirement age or make it so a retiree has to
hold a part time job to have a decent standard of living. Then they can
keep taxing you to the grave. Wait until these Boomers have a serious
health problem and the government decides the treatment is too expensive
so they just suffer and/or die. I expect housing to take another nose
dive when the Boomers start selling their houses because they need the
money ot can't afford the property taxes and/or mortgage. Liberals want
us to have a socialist society and they are doing a damn good job of
leading us to it.

Spike wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:14:42 -0400, Michael Johnson >
> wrote:
>
>> Spike wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:52:59 -0400, Michael Johnson >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Spike wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:25:46 GMT, Joe > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Spike > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:40:31 -0400, Michael Johnson >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>> You and Michael have basically got it right IMO. The reason we're in
>>>>>> this current mess is simply due to greed and politics. And the American
>>>>>> people are slowly but surely waking up to this fact.
>>>>> Just about everything in the way the world works can be put down to
>>>>> greed. One must recall that, were it not for greed, Euros would still
>>>>> be afraid of falling over the edge of the world, and the Americas
>>>>> would be populated by American Indians from one end to the other. :0)
>>>>> (Ask them what they think of illegal immigration!:0)
>>>> If we want to carry it further the native Americans came here from Asia,
>>>> Europe and/or Africa so they aren't really "native" at all. They just
>>>> got here first. Then once they were here they fought over territory
>>>> between them. Had the native Americans been the ones with the superior
>>>> technology and had gone to Europe, they would have done the same thing
>>>> to the Europeans that the Europeans did to them. Just look at what the
>>>> Aztec, Mayans and Incas did to their neighbors in the Western Hemisphere
>>>> to know this is true. Nearly every race humans on the planet can lay
>>>> claim to some type of abuse at the hands of another race. One just
>>>> needs to go back in time far enough to find it.
>>> Big questions about who came from where. So far, the closes DNA
>>> evidence points to the people of the islands of northern Japan. As to
>>> when is also debated (hotly in some circles).
>>>
>>> I think that when the space aliens came here, they did some genetic
>>> experimentation with the native creature (some of which escaped and
>>> today are known by various names - "Bigfoot", "Sasquatch", etc) and
>>> came up with the American Indians. Which is why native traditions say
>>> that tribes sprung from the earth, a lake, a cave, etc, in North
>>> America. :0)
>>>
>>> As for what one group of native Americans did to another.... Those of
>>> Central and South America were far more war like than North American
>>> Indians. For example, the tribes of the northeast belonged to a
>>> coalition set up like the federal government and the states, and they
>>> had a "Constitution". When conflicts arose they met and hashed things
>>> out "peacefully". On the northern plains, when one group had a
>>> conflict with another, they battles, but it was not required to take a
>>> life. Simply striking an opponent's shield, horse, etc, was a "win"
>>> (the origin of "counting coup").
>>>
>>> Who knows where the facts are? Perhaps humanoids have been around far
>>> longer than suspected. Maybe back when there was a single
>>> supercontinent they already existed, and as that continent broke up,
>>> they just rode the plates. The first surfers! :0)
>> I have always thought the "appearance" of modern humans on the scene is
>> fraught with unanswered questions. It is almost like aliens stopped by
>> ever so often and dropped their latest genetic trial off to see what
>> would come of it. Then when one strain would die out they would tweak
>> the design and make improvements for the next variation. Maybe we are
>> just the latest and greatest variant and they are just sitting by
>> waiting to see where we go, or end.
>
>
> Yep. We been doing that with cattle, pigs/hogs, etc for ages. I just
> don't want to be lined up for the slaughterhouse :0( LOL

If the aliens don't get us the government will.

Michael Johnson > wrote in news:mMGdnRN-
:

> Joe wrote:
>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> elaich wrote:
>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> The trouble is he can't do it without Congress gong along with it.
>>>> He also can't do it without the state itself allowing it. The
>>>> Guvernator has already said "nein" to drilling off the coast of
>>>> California. I don't know why the states have veto power over thism,
>>>> but they do.
>>> The states have no jurisdiction over territorial waters. The
Federal
>>> government could run it right up Arnold's ass if they chose to do
it.
>>
>> Don't know about other states, but Florida currently outlaws drilling
a
>> certain number of miles off the coast. Don't recall the exact
number.
>
> The only area a state can control is within its boundaries. My guess
is
> that all states that bound oceans have their borders set at the point
> where water hits the land at mean sea level. Maybe I'll do a Google
> search later and see what I can find. I am assuming Florida has the
> same restraints as Virginia.

It's at least several miles out, according to this (a very interesting
read, btw):
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5udrq7

Make sure you check out the map down into the document.

Spike > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:21:17 GMT, Joe > wrote:
>
>>"dwight" > wrote in
:
>>
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Spike wrote:
> <SNIP>
>>I agree. We can start by dropping the absurd term "African American".
>>Almost no one truly qualifies to be called an African American.
>>
>>If blacks insist on being called "African Americans", then I insist on
>>being called "German-Italian American". dwight, you would be
"Scottish
>>American", I presume?
>>
>>The point is that dwight is correct - let's just get over it and deal
>>with our current problems. We now return to our regularly schedule
>>programming.
>
> Let's see... that would make me a
> Scottish-English-German-Italian-French-Oneida-Cherokee-American. Sort
> of a human Heinz 57.
>
> Personally, I think that the elite (like our politicians) use terms
> like "African-American" to keep one group pitted against the other, in
> hopes that the masses won't notice what Washington DC is doing.
>
> I have no problem with the term "Black (or African) American" if
> they'd just use it like the rest of the people whose ancestors came
> here, many as "slaves" (indentured servants and prisoners), poor. Pick
> one day a year and celebrate it. Give each group a day. The rest of
> the year we should all be....
>
> "AMERICANS"
>
> and pull together as one people....
>
> I've often wondered what would happen if I started a White Miss
> America Pageant, or a White College Fund, or a National Alliance for
> the Advancement of White People. Do you think minorities would accept
> the ads on television, etc, with no complaint? The Hispanics in
> California and many other areas are now the fastest growing
> population. When they outnumber the rest of us, will we be entitled to
> minority benefits?

Can you say 'reverse discrimination'? It's beyond the point where
minorities and special interests have so many "perks" to appease their
hurt feelings that it's all meaningless now.

As you say, Spike, just freakin' call everyone 'Americans' and be done
with it. Everyone's free to practice their own religion, honor their
heritage, etc. etc. But it's over the line when they want _me_ to bend
to their ways. We're all Americans - that says it all.

Spike > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:27:26 GMT, Joe > wrote:
>
>>Spike > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:25:46 GMT, Joe > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Spike > wrote in
m:
>>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>As for the Chinese drilling in the Gulf, I have to doubt it. The
Gulf
>>>>(at least the eastern part) is already locked up in a protective
zone
>>>>that prohibits any drilling. Here's a recent article:
>>>>http://preview.tinyurl.com/5a7oeg
> <SNIP>
>>In reality, both groups are right - we'll need to develop permanent
>>energy sources while at the same time continuing to drill and refine
as
>>a bridge to get there. Some people are short-sighted to the fact that
>>you need to cross the bridge in order to arrive at your desintation.
>
> Unfortunately, as in most issues, each side wants it all and isn't
> willing to compromise to achieve even a portion of it's goals.
>
> ......STALEMATE.....

It all gets back to the whole greed/power thing, and the stakes are
getting higher every day. When we're up to $5/gallon and it costs
double to feed your family than it did today, people simply won't be
able to afford "going green".

I can't wait to see how many "greenies" will be starving because they
can't afford groceries, but they'll be driving their Priuses...

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:14:42 -0400, Michael Johnson >
wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:52:59 -0400, Michael Johnson >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spike wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:25:46 GMT, Joe > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Spike > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:40:31 -0400, Michael Johnson >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>> You and Michael have basically got it right IMO. The reason we're in
>>>>> this current mess is simply due to greed and politics. And the American
>>>>> people are slowly but surely waking up to this fact.
>>>> Just about everything in the way the world works can be put down to
>>>> greed. One must recall that, were it not for greed, Euros would still
>>>> be afraid of falling over the edge of the world, and the Americas
>>>> would be populated by American Indians from one end to the other. :0)
>>>> (Ask them what they think of illegal immigration!:0)
>>> If we want to carry it further the native Americans came here from Asia,
>>> Europe and/or Africa so they aren't really "native" at all. They just
>>> got here first. Then once they were here they fought over territory
>>> between them. Had the native Americans been the ones with the superior
>>> technology and had gone to Europe, they would have done the same thing
>>> to the Europeans that the Europeans did to them. Just look at what the
>>> Aztec, Mayans and Incas did to their neighbors in the Western Hemisphere
>>> to know this is true. Nearly every race humans on the planet can lay
>>> claim to some type of abuse at the hands of another race. One just
>>> needs to go back in time far enough to find it.
>>
>> Big questions about who came from where. So far, the closes DNA
>> evidence points to the people of the islands of northern Japan. As to
>> when is also debated (hotly in some circles).
>>
>> I think that when the space aliens came here, they did some genetic
>> experimentation with the native creature (some of which escaped and
>> today are known by various names - "Bigfoot", "Sasquatch", etc) and
>> came up with the American Indians. Which is why native traditions say
>> that tribes sprung from the earth, a lake, a cave, etc, in North
>> America. :0)
>>
>> As for what one group of native Americans did to another.... Those of
>> Central and South America were far more war like than North American
>> Indians. For example, the tribes of the northeast belonged to a
>> coalition set up like the federal government and the states, and they
>> had a "Constitution". When conflicts arose they met and hashed things
>> out "peacefully". On the northern plains, when one group had a
>> conflict with another, they battles, but it was not required to take a
>> life. Simply striking an opponent's shield, horse, etc, was a "win"
>> (the origin of "counting coup").
>>
>> Who knows where the facts are? Perhaps humanoids have been around far
>> longer than suspected. Maybe back when there was a single
>> supercontinent they already existed, and as that continent broke up,
>> they just rode the plates. The first surfers! :0)
>
>I have always thought the "appearance" of modern humans on the scene is
>fraught with unanswered questions. It is almost like aliens stopped by
>ever so often and dropped their latest genetic trial off to see what
>would come of it. Then when one strain would die out they would tweak
>the design and make improvements for the next variation. Maybe we are
>just the latest and greatest variant and they are just sitting by
>waiting to see where we go, or end.


Yep. We been doing that with cattle, pigs/hogs, etc for ages. I just
don't want to be lined up for the slaughterhouse :0( LOL

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:11:39 -0400, Michael Johnson >
wrote:

>Joe wrote:
>> Spike > wrote in
>> :
>>
<SNIP>
>>>
>>> ......STALEMATE.....
>>
>> It all gets back to the whole greed/power thing, and the stakes are
>> getting higher every day. When we're up to $5/gallon and it costs
>> double to feed your family than it did today, people simply won't be
>> able to afford "going green".
>>
>> I can't wait to see how many "greenies" will be starving because they
>> can't afford groceries, but they'll be driving their Priuses...
>
>.... or they go into $20k of debt to buy a hybrid when the car they were
>driving was paid. Unless they drive 100+ miles a day the math just
>doesn't add up. Then again the "greenies" have never been good with
>math, or common sense for that matter, anyway. If the current
>politicians don't do something about fuel prices soon the public is
>going to vote them out en masse. We are getting quite good at detecting
>bull **** from them and our patience is wearing thin.
>
>Listen to Obama talk about gas prices and what he proposes as solutions.
> It is nothing but a bunch of double talk and high tech government
>programs to solve our energy problems TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW!!! That is
>assuming he can even deliver the bull **** he promises. Plus, who
>exactly is he going to tax to pay for it all? The rich aren't rich
>enough to pay for it, government run health care, increased school
>spending, more welfare programs, etc. He will be taxing us all into
>oblivion. Sorry for the rant but this stuff really is starting to ****
>me off.

Just read an article that people should quit thinking in MPG and start
thinking in GPM.

Yeah, it doesn't pay to get rid of a car that is paid for, just to buy
a greener for the mileage.

I do notice that a large portion, and growing, of the population is
being cut out of society. Baby boomers who can't afford the cost of
cable tv, let alone buy a new tv set. People who can't afford to keep
up with the changes in computers, cell phones, or anything else, let
alone afford broadband, wireless, camera phones, etc.

I've been wondering when the order will come down to ship us off to
the kool aid camps......

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:06:42 -0500, "WindsorFox<SS>"
> wrote:

>Michael Johnson wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> <SNIP>
>>>> Also, the Supreme Court will like go very liberal if Obama is elected.
>>>> The latest ruling giving terrorists the legal rights of a US citizen was
>>>> one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It will have horrible
>>>> effects on our ability to fight these guys. Now we can't interrogate
>>>> like we should and they can request an attorney and clam up. This
>>>> decision will definitely cost American lives in the future. With
>>>> decisions like these we can't afford a more liberal Supreme Court and,
>>>> for me, is all the reason I need to vote for McCain. I'll do it while
>>>> holding my nose though.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time remembering the last election where I voted
>>> _for_ a
>>> candidate. The SOP seems to have become voting _against_ a candidate.
>>> A sad
>>> state of affairs. <sigh>
>>
>> The last president I voted for was Reagan in 1980 and 1984. Before that
>> I was too young to vote. What is even sadder is I can't think of ONE
>> politician I would wholeheartedly vote for to be president.
>
> Ralph Nader???

Fred Thompson? I would have voted FOR him. He has the old style sense
of values, has experience in Congress.

One day two rabbits weres hopping through the woods when thye was
confronted by three weasels. The biggest weasel said, you can be
dinner or you can go free, but you have to fight one of us.

One rabbit spoke up and asked each weasel how much he weighed... and
then he made his choice which to fight.

As the two rabbits headed down the road, one ragged and torn.... the
other asked him how he decided which weasel to fight. The ragged, torn
up rabbit said, "I just picked the lessor of three weasels."

The moral of the story is that no matter which weasel you pick, you're
still going to get busted up, but with the lessor weasel you just
might survive.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:26:54 -0400, Michael Johnson >
wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:11:39 -0400, Michael Johnson >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> Spike > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>> <SNIP>
>>>>> ......STALEMATE.....
>>>> It all gets back to the whole greed/power thing, and the stakes are
>>>> getting higher every day. When we're up to $5/gallon and it costs
>>>> double to feed your family than it did today, people simply won't be
>>>> able to afford "going green".
>>>>
<SNIP>
>> I've been wondering when the order will come down to ship us off to
>> the kool aid camps......
>
>Their plan is to raise the retirement age or make it so a retiree has to
>hold a part time job to have a decent standard of living. Then they can
>keep taxing you to the grave. Wait until these Boomers have a serious
>health problem and the government decides the treatment is too expensive
>so they just suffer and/or die. I expect housing to take another nose
>dive when the Boomers start selling their houses because they need the
>money ot can't afford the property taxes and/or mortgage. Liberals want
>us to have a socialist society and they are doing a damn good job of
>leading us to it.

Strange.... we watched the commies bankrupt themselves with their
brand of socialism in the USSR and Cuba... and these fools think they
can still get it to work. Ah what fools these morons be! Even the
Chinese are getting into our ways... but with a slight twist.

Germany is already allowing docs to provide extra heavy duty sedatives
to the elderly and infirm so they can do themselves in rather than
wait for medical care they will never receive while enduring the pain
of their failing health and ecnomic status.