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"Bob Jones" > wrote in message news >> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal >> experiences are a small sample size as well, even if they differ >> from yours. >> > > What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this > kind of requirements. > > On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze > could lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but > why take the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or > a radiator. > '79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and '04 Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all that is required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major manufacturer makes. Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify something different? |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:53:26 -0400, "L Alpert" >
wrote: > >"Bob Jones" > wrote in message >news >>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal >>> experiences are a small sample size as well, even if they differ >>> from yours. >>> >> >> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this >> kind of requirements. >> >> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze >> could lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but >> why take the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or >> a radiator. >> > >'79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and >'04 Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all >that is required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major >manufacturer makes. > >Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, >Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would >all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify >something different? > I have already given up, these folks in the newsgroups don't understand the economics of manufacturing. Off the shelf is always cheaper than custom and, if care is used in selecting a supplier, just as good. The older style iron block / aluminum head engines as well as the aluminum block / iron head did require a special coolant because the stuff for all-iron engines would promote electrolysis. But new all aluminum engines need something that won't attack aluminum and that includes almost every coolant manufactured today. Read the label on the jug of coolant. Do you really think any of the coolant manufactures are going to claim to be compatible with all types of antifreezes if they aren't? Just imagine all the lawsuits that would set up and the billions of dollars in judgments. Jack |
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"Retired VIP" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:53:26 -0400, "L Alpert" > > wrote: > >> >>"Bob Jones" > wrote in message >>news >>>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >>>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal >>>> experiences are a small sample size as well, even if they differ >>>> from yours. >>>> >>> >>> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this >>> kind of requirements. >>> >>> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze >>> could lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but >>> why take the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or >>> a radiator. >>> >> >>'79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and >>'04 Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all >>that is required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major >>manufacturer makes. >> >>Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, >>Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would >>all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify >>something different? >> > > I have already given up, these folks in the newsgroups don't > understand the economics of manufacturing. Off the shelf is always > cheaper than custom and, if care is used in selecting a supplier, just > as good. The older style iron block / aluminum head engines as well > as the aluminum block / iron head did require a special coolant > because the stuff for all-iron engines would promote electrolysis. But > new all aluminum engines need something that won't attack aluminum and > that includes almost every coolant manufactured today. > > Read the label on the jug of coolant. Do you really think any of the > coolant manufactures are going to claim to be compatible with all > types of antifreezes if they aren't? Just imagine all the lawsuits > that would set up and the billions of dollars in judgments. > > Jack The only issue is the standard manufacturers disclaimer that if one does not use the branded products, the warranty may be voided (no matter how unreasonable that is). While I'm sure that one could prove equivalency in a court of law, no one probably wants to be the test case. This could be a mitigating factor for most. |
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"L Alpert" > wrote in message ... > > "Retired VIP" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:53:26 -0400, "L Alpert" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Bob Jones" > wrote in message >>>news >>>>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >>>>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal >>>>> experiences are a small sample size as well, even if they differ >>>>> from yours. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this >>>> kind of requirements. >>>> >>>> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze >>>> could lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but >>>> why take the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or >>>> a radiator. >>>> >>> >>>'79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and >>>'04 Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all >>>that is required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major >>>manufacturer makes. >>> >>>Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, >>>Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would >>>all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify >>>something different? >>> >> >> I have already given up, these folks in the newsgroups don't >> understand the economics of manufacturing. Off the shelf is always >> cheaper than custom and, if care is used in selecting a supplier, just >> as good. The older style iron block / aluminum head engines as well >> as the aluminum block / iron head did require a special coolant >> because the stuff for all-iron engines would promote electrolysis. But >> new all aluminum engines need something that won't attack aluminum and >> that includes almost every coolant manufactured today. >> >> Read the label on the jug of coolant. Do you really think any of the >> coolant manufactures are going to claim to be compatible with all >> types of antifreezes if they aren't? Just imagine all the lawsuits >> that would set up and the billions of dollars in judgments. >> >> Jack > > The only issue is the standard manufacturers disclaimer that if one does > not use the branded products, the warranty may be voided (no matter how > unreasonable that is). > > While I'm sure that one could prove equivalency in a court of law, no one > probably wants to be the test case. > > This could be a mitigating factor for most. > In addition, corrosion is a slow process. Who is going to notice the difference? It affects the water pump or radiator more than the engine. |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:24:31 -0400, "L Alpert"
> wrote: > >"Retired VIP" > wrote in message .. . >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:53:26 -0400, "L Alpert" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Bob Jones" > wrote in message >>>news >>>>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >>>>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal >>>>> experiences are a small sample size as well, even if they differ >>>>> from yours. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this >>>> kind of requirements. >>>> >>>> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze >>>> could lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but >>>> why take the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or >>>> a radiator. >>>> >>> >>>'79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and >>>'04 Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all >>>that is required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major >>>manufacturer makes. >>> >>>Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, >>>Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would >>>all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify >>>something different? >>> >> >> I have already given up, these folks in the newsgroups don't >> understand the economics of manufacturing. Off the shelf is always >> cheaper than custom and, if care is used in selecting a supplier, just >> as good. The older style iron block / aluminum head engines as well >> as the aluminum block / iron head did require a special coolant >> because the stuff for all-iron engines would promote electrolysis. But >> new all aluminum engines need something that won't attack aluminum and >> that includes almost every coolant manufactured today. >> >> Read the label on the jug of coolant. Do you really think any of the >> coolant manufactures are going to claim to be compatible with all >> types of antifreezes if they aren't? Just imagine all the lawsuits >> that would set up and the billions of dollars in judgments. >> >> Jack > >The only issue is the standard manufacturers disclaimer that if one does not >use the branded products, the warranty may be voided (no matter how >unreasonable that is). > >While I'm sure that one could prove equivalency in a court of law, no one >probably wants to be the test case. > >This could be a mitigating factor for most. > I understand. The manufacturer has no control over what fluids you buy. So protect his pocket, he has to ensure that you use quality products hence the threat of no warranty coverage if you don't use his stuff. No one has said, and I'm not implying, that the manufacturer's branded product is inferior to OTC products. But the burden of proof is on you. You would have to prove that the product you use meets the manufacturer's specs. Once you do that, I think most dealers would honor the warranty. There have been numerous lawsuits over just this kind of thing. Jack |
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"L Alpert" > wrote in message ... > > "Bob Jones" > wrote in message > news >>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda >>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal experiences >>> are a small sample size as well, even if they differ from yours. >>> >> >> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this kind >> of requirements. >> >> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze could >> lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but why take >> the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or a radiator. >> > > '79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and '04 > Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all that is > required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major manufacturer > makes. > When did you replace antifreeze on 04 Accord? The original should last for 120k/10 years. |
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Retired VIP wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" > > wrote: > >> In article >, >> "L Alpert" > wrote: >> >>> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 >>> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid, >>> oil, etc. >>> >>> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the >>> label. >> Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think. >> >> Same with coolant. >> >> Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays. >> >> They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered. Long >> gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off the shelf >> at Goober's gas station. > > What is so 'highly engineered' about a power steering system? Exactly > what is there about Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler power steering > fluid that makes it special? ATF fluid needs to supply the proper > friction modifiers so there is a difference between Ford and GM ATF > but if the after-market ATF has the proper modifiers, it will perform > the same as the OEM stuff. > > I've been using Preston Anti-freeze (the green stuff) in my cars for > the last 45 years and I have never had a engine or cooling system > problem that could have been caused by the coolant. Why pay $15.00 a > gallon for anti-freeze that carries a GM or Ford brand when I can get > something just as good for half the price? green stuff isnt good with aluminum. > > Jack |
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jim beam wrote:
> * use of non-honda power steering fluid in a honda system wrecks seals. > i know that from personal experience. > > * use of non-honda transmission fluid, even one that allegedly exceeds > the nominal dexron II spec, makes a honda transmission shift like you've > been rear-ended. i know that from personal experience. > > i don't know any different facts on honda coolant or brake fluids, but > based on the above, i can easily believe them to be of a high spec that > exceeds relabeled generics. ive never had a prob with using the red dexcool (silicate free, aluminum safe) on any of my japanese vehicles. and unless the brake system uses silicone fluid, regular DOT 3/4 works great, changed every 2-3yrs as required. i do agree totally with you on the tranny fluid, though. thats a common issue, and not just on hondas. Mopar has their own spec, as well. |
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L Alpert wrote:
> Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota, > Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would > all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify > something different? > > IIRC, VAG (volkwagen/audi) spec a different type of coolant. |
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Bob Jones wrote:
> When did you replace antifreeze on 04 Accord? The original should last for > 120k/10 years. FWIW, toyotas ATF is "lifetime" and the coolant is good for 120k. |
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