I'll NEVER buy another VW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article . net>, "Papa" > wrote:
>
>"Rico" > wrote in message
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>> In article . net>, "Papa"
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>"Charlie" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:57:42 +0000, Papa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Charlie" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:11:22 +0000, Papa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd never by an Asian car, but my next car is going to be good old
>>>>>>>> Ford,
>>>>>>>> GM or DMC because when taken care of, they run forever and don't
>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> arm and a leg to fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are not willing to buy an Asian car, but you will buy one from
>>>>>>> Ford
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> GM? Have you read any Consumer Reports lately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all due respect, Consumer Reports is probably the absolute worst
>>>>>> source of unbiased information about cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In your opinion, of course. I find CR to be very reliable and very
>>>>> accurate.
>>>>
>>>> I don't.
>>>>
>>>I know you don't. Wasn't that already obvious?
>>
>> Best part is, he showed ytou reasons why and links to see the what he's
>> talking about. In short backs up his opinion, what is yours based on?
>>
>I thought everyone was already informed about such an obvious truth. That
>is, that Toyota and Honda have long ago surpassed Ford and GM in quality,
>price, reliability, and environmentally friendly characteristics.

So based on nothing, OK sort of figured that but wanted to give you a
chance to show other wise.

>
>However, if you want to continue buying those GM and Ford "products", go
>ahead. It's your money and you have the right to waste it in any way you
>wish.
>
>

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.

In article >, Mike Smith > wrote:
>Rico wrote:
>> In article >, "Lost In Space/Woodchuck"
> > wrote:
>>> 1- free repair
>>> 2- Was a bulletin on it
>>> 3- it's a USA thing- in Germany they don't use cars as traveling restaurants
>>
>> Whether they do or don't use cars as traveling resturants, this is an
>> extremely valid point, IMO. If you plan to sell cars outside your home
>> market (to non-Germans) get out and see how the product might be used by
>> those consumers. Consumers in the largest car market in the world do make
>> use of cup holders on a regular basis, some thought along those lines would
>> not be out of line nor too expensive to undertake. BMW and Mercedes mange
>> to get this little detail right. Say aren't they Germans?
>
>I'm very satisfied with the cupholders in my Passat. They hold cups,
>which is just what they're supposed to do.
>
>

I'm guessing you missed the car in question, Jetta 2003 GLS. Glad to hear
they got it right in the Passat, in older Jetta's they are in the way of
the radio. which was the point.

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.

In article >,
Charlie > wrote:
>There are numerous examples of the exact same car, re-badged, doing
>substantially differently on the tests.

Recent examples?

>FWIW VW doesn't do to well on CR tests either.

Most VWs do well in CR tests, but poorly in CR's reliability survey.

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Very true, This gut just got the new customer VW lesson. He still wants an
American car over his VW. He says he has or wants oldies but goodies. big
cars , timing chains. V8s. Also complains VWs are over engineered. I suspect
he really dont care about repairing them. He wants cheap parts for repairs.
That any BYM can fix easily. And he wants rolling junk that wont stop. He
says he wants reliability. But argues against Jap cars. While The Honda
civic single handedly ended American made small cars. Another person who
bought marketing hype I suspect. And he probably will be happy with an
American car. And all his gripes are not without merit. Hopefully he fixes
and trades his POS Jetta in on something he will be happy with.
"Tom Levigne" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Most VW owners realize that they are not known for top reliabity
>
> Japanese cars are most reliable.
>
> German cars are known for engineering, good road handling and fun to
> drive.
>
> American cars are quiet, cushy ride.
>
> Diffferences are relatively minor and with exceptions, but these are
> generally the case.
>
> TL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rolf Gustafsen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Once was enough for me with this POS Jetta GLS 2003 I made the mistake of
>> purchasing.
>>
>> So far I have had:
>>
>> 1. Windows that fell down due to plastic clips breaking.
>>
>> 2. A center console that broke twice (the gear strips)
>>
>> 3. The cup holders breaking twice. Who puts a cup holder where it can
>> drip
>> onto the radio and climate control switches anyhow?
>>
>> 4. The transmission hesitating into park/reverse and shifting
>> very hard from first to second.
>>
>> It's been re-programmed 3 times already but the problem returns after a
>> couple of days.
>>
>> 5 The coolant pump breaking (just past the 60k warranty of course) and
>> causing the car to overheat. Fortunately I was pulling into the driveway
>> when it started. Who makes coolant pumps with plastic impellers pressed
>> on
>> to the shaft?
>>
>> 6. A groan from the rear when pushing up and down on the rear end of the
>> car.
>>
>> Add to this all the special fluids that VW uses, like $11.00 for a little
>> container of power steering fluid, $24 for G12 coolant etc.
>>
>> This entire pile of junk is over engineered and designed to milk the
>> owners pockets with costly repairs.
>>
>> This car should come with it's own mechanic in the trunk as standard
>> equipment.
>>
>> Just for comparison, I have a 1996 Chevy Impala SS with about 350,000
>> miles on it and I just replaced the timing chain, gears and water pump at
>> 325,000 miles or so.
>>
>> It still has the original engine and transmission, doesn't burn oil and
>> runs like a dream.
>>
>> My Jetta has 63,000 miles on it and I seriously doubt it will make
>> 100,000
>> miles without something else going wrong.
>> I maintain my cars very well and have yet to have a car not make 200,000
>> miles or more before selling it.
>>
>> This Jetta, which I purchased brand new, may be the first one.
>>
>> I'd never by an Asian car, but my next car is going to be good old Ford,
>> GM or DMC because when taken care of, they run forever and don't cost an
>> arm and a leg to fix.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Many of the newer VW's have auto trans made by ASIAN(SP) from Japan. The
Touareg uses such a unit as I'm sure also the New 05 Jetta & 06 Passat.
Don't have my info books here now.


"Mike Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Arrebeest wrote:
>> Lost In Space/Woodchuck wrote:
>>> 1- free repair
>>> 2- Was a bulletin on it
>>> 3- it's a USA thing- in Germany they don't use cars as traveling
>>> restaurants 4- May be normal especially when cold. But I don't like
>>> the pause either 5- VW is not the only company to use plastic
>>> impellers. 6- ???
>>>
>>> 6 complaints in 63,000 miles and you call it junk?
>>>
>>> Good luck with your next ride.
>>
>>
>> Another usa thing: automatic transmission.
>
> And VW's DSG is arguably the best automatic transmission in automotive
> history.
>
> --
> Mike Smith

I own a 2002 Golf

1- Free repair, ready by the end of the day.
3- I love my car but definitely the cup holders are inconveniently
placed at best. If I want to change the CD and there's a cup in them I
have to take it out, push the holders in, take the CD out, put the new
one in, push the holders out and put the cup in again. Other than that
"inconvenience" (with which I've lived 4 years already) the cup holders
are way better than the ones in most other cars I've tried (Ford
Explorers, Nissan Murano, Audi A3 to name a few). They REALLY hold
almost any cup you put there.

Never had a problem with spils (mostly 2 expresso shots in one cup, so
little chance :-)).

4- Stick

2, 5 and 6 have not happened to me

I have had my share of problems with my car in 4 years, but if you take
into accounts the features for dollars included, the ride, and interior
finishing, IMO they make up for a trip to the mechanic a year.

Hopefully I will upgrade to a GTI MkV sometime next year. :-)

Rico wrote:
> In article >, Mike Smith > wrote:
>> Rico wrote:
>>> In article >, "Lost In Space/Woodchuck"
>> > wrote:
>>>> 1- free repair
>>>> 2- Was a bulletin on it
>>>> 3- it's a USA thing- in Germany they don't use cars as traveling restaurants
>>> Whether they do or don't use cars as traveling resturants, this is an
>>> extremely valid point, IMO. If you plan to sell cars outside your home
>>> market (to non-Germans) get out and see how the product might be used by
>>> those consumers. Consumers in the largest car market in the world do make
>>> use of cup holders on a regular basis, some thought along those lines would
>>> not be out of line nor too expensive to undertake. BMW and Mercedes mange
>>> to get this little detail right. Say aren't they Germans?
>> I'm very satisfied with the cupholders in my Passat. They hold cups,
>> which is just what they're supposed to do.
>>
>>
>
> I'm guessing you missed the car in question, Jetta 2003 GLS. Glad to hear
> they got it right in the Passat, in older Jetta's they are in the way of
> the radio. which was the point.

The name of the thread is not "I'll never buy another Jetta". The OP is
implying that all VWs are bad, because of his bad cupholders. I'm just
pointing out that VW is perfectly capable of designing a functional
cupholder.

--
Mike Smith

Lost In Space/Woodchuck wrote:
> Many of the newer VW's have auto trans made by ASIAN(SP) from Japan. The

It's "Aisin".

--
Mike Smith

"Rolf Gustafsen" > wrote in message
...
> Once was enough for me with this POS Jetta GLS 2003 I made the mistake of
> purchasing.
>
> So far I have had:
>
> 1. Windows that fell down due to plastic clips breaking.
>
> 2. A center console that broke twice (the gear strips)
>
> 3. The cup holders breaking twice. Who puts a cup holder where it can drip
> onto the radio and climate control switches anyhow?
>
> 4. The transmission hesitating into park/reverse and shifting
> very hard from first to second.
>
> It's been re-programmed 3 times already but the problem returns after a
> couple of days.
>
> 5 The coolant pump breaking (just past the 60k warranty of course) and
> causing the car to overheat. Fortunately I was pulling into the driveway
> when it started. Who makes coolant pumps with plastic impellers pressed on
> to the shaft?
>
> 6. A groan from the rear when pushing up and down on the rear end of the
> car.
>
> Add to this all the special fluids that VW uses, like $11.00 for a little
> container of power steering fluid, $24 for G12 coolant etc.
>
> This entire pile of junk is over engineered and designed to milk the
> owners pockets with costly repairs.
>
> This car should come with it's own mechanic in the trunk as standard
> equipment.
>
> Just for comparison, I have a 1996 Chevy Impala SS with about 350,000
> miles on it and I just replaced the timing chain, gears and water pump at
> 325,000 miles or so.
>
> It still has the original engine and transmission, doesn't burn oil and
> runs like a dream.
>
> My Jetta has 63,000 miles on it and I seriously doubt it will make 100,000
> miles without something else going wrong.
> I maintain my cars very well and have yet to have a car not make 200,000
> miles or more before selling it.
>
> This Jetta, which I purchased brand new, may be the first one.
>
> I'd never by an Asian car, but my next car is going to be good old Ford,
> GM or DMC because when taken care of, they run forever and don't cost an
> arm and a leg to fix.


Your solution, at the end of your post, may be ill-advised, things aren't
like they used to be with any automobile company except perhaps Toyota.

This from a former Ford phreak, turned older VW owner. Learned its cheaper
to keep her. A Jetta would have never been a choice for me.
--
Jonny

Sort of: for a 2001 2.0l VW auto Jetta with 117,000+ miles:

Lousy because they don't honor their warranty.

Many problems (this forum isn't big enought to list all the problems),
somewhat unreliable, scares me when the brake light switch doesn't
work, esp at night with our daughter driving it. This really ****es me
off. Also, had tranny slamming problem, solved for less than $60.00
when dealer recommended a $3800 new tranny. Get yourself a Vag-Com and
learn.

I could go on.

BUT:

Get in an accident with one and you'll be happy you're driving that
piece of ****.

Our daughter pulled out in front of a Chevy Blazer and was T-boned.
Her fault. No injuries, she felt both the side air curtaqin and the
seat bag hit her. Car was $500 short of being totaled . It was a few
years old and many miles. The other driver wasn't hurt thank goodness.
Car looked awful. The center pillar never moved, per the repair shop,
door held.

Then a U Haul truck turned into her on the drivers side (his fault).
Once again no injuries. Cost of repairs wasn't bad, just over $5500
for this time. Same for deer, sign posts, etc.

Insurance reimbursements for accidents are almost greater than cost of
car.

The car can be maintained but if you don't want to maintain them, they
are "hangar queens".

Tranny's fine (you HAVE to change tranny fluid every 40k miles, VW says
the fluid is lifetime, like crap it is). No oil leaks in engine, uses
about 1/2 quart every 8500 miles (that's the mileage interval i change
it at).

They're a heavy car and very safe. All of a sudden, we're getting over
26 mpg when before we were getting just over 21 mpg. I attribute this
to replacing some cheap rubber hoses, etc in the engine and a throttle
body adaptation every year or so (I have no idea if this effects
mileage but it's the only thing we've done.)

It was an expensive car to buy for us. Considering the hits it's
taken, I'm amazed at how well it runs).

We'll keep it and will certainly look at another, especially if their
reliability goes up.