Slower traffic: keep one lane left of the right lane

On 2013-12-16 16:51:18 +0000, Sancho Panza said:

> On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/06/2013 01:50 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC), Brent
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Keeping totally to the right, this stuff happens:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Everyone else that merges into traffic when entering such a roadway
>>>>>> does so at 45 mph. You either have to brake, or move left anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> They shouldn't be doing that. Fix this problem instead of creating
>>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. But the only thing I have the power to do is to not get killed
>>>> by it. The way to do that is to not be there - IOW, be a lane
>>>> over...
>>>
>>> You're not going to get killed by it. IME, impaired mergers will not
>>> ram your vehicle when trying to merge. They usually either fall in
>>> behind you or actually accelerate and merge properly if you remain in
>>> the right hand lane.
>>
>> Tell that to the thru traffic that SPEEDS UP to time it so they will
>> collide with the merger--forcing the merger to speed up themselves or
>> slow down and brake. If they were going faster than merging traffic,
>> they could have changed one lane to the left (two or more lanes in the
>> same direction).
>>
>> NO, I don't think forcing the merger to stop on the onramp is safe
>> driving on the thru traffic driver's part.
>
> Then you must have quite a time with the interval signals on the access ramps.

Are they at the TOP of the ramp....?

On 12/16/2013 2:47 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2013-12-16 16:51:18 +0000, Sancho Panza said:
>
>> On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 12/06/2013 01:50 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC), Brent
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> Keeping totally to the right, this stuff happens:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Everyone else that merges into traffic when entering such a
>>>>>>> roadway
>>>>>>> does so at 45 mph. You either have to brake, or move left anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They shouldn't be doing that. Fix this problem instead of creating
>>>>>> another.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. But the only thing I have the power to do is to not get killed
>>>>> by it. The way to do that is to not be there - IOW, be a lane
>>>>> over...
>>>>
>>>> You're not going to get killed by it. IME, impaired mergers will not
>>>> ram your vehicle when trying to merge. They usually either fall in
>>>> behind you or actually accelerate and merge properly if you remain in
>>>> the right hand lane.
>>>
>>> Tell that to the thru traffic that SPEEDS UP to time it so they will
>>> collide with the merger--forcing the merger to speed up themselves or
>>> slow down and brake. If they were going faster than merging traffic,
>>> they could have changed one lane to the left (two or more lanes in the
>>> same direction).
>>>
>>> NO, I don't think forcing the merger to stop on the onramp is safe
>>> driving on the thru traffic driver's part.
>>
>> Then you must have quite a time with the interval signals on the
>> access ramps.
>
> Are they at the TOP of the ramp....?

That lack of knowledge explains your comment.



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On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:23:57 PM UTC-8, Sancho Panza wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 2:47 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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> > On 2013-12-16 16:51:18 +0000, Sancho Panza said:
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> >> On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
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> >>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message
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> >>> ...
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> >>>> On 12/06/2013 01:50 AM, Dave Head wrote:
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> >>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC), Brent
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> >>>>> > wrote:
>

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> >>> NO, I don't think forcing the merger to stop on the onramp is safe
> >>> driving on the thru traffic driver's part.
>
> >> Then you must have quite a time with the interval signals on the
> >> access ramps.

> > Are they at the TOP of the ramp....?

> That lack of knowledge explains your comment.
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Or is just like I am - someone who has never had the occasion to encounter one. They weren't in use the last time I was in L.A. Although I just assumed from the various references over the years that they were at the top of the ramp.

Harry K

My personal right lane behavior:

#1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.

#2. If I am approaching onramp and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp but is slowing down for whatever reason(scared, not sure if they should go for it, or mirrors hindering view due to non-BGE config) I will let off the gas and flick highbeams for them to accelerate and proceed - if they "get" my cue. Many drivers don't.

#3a. If I am alongside onramp and vehicle in onramp is abaft of me(in my 3-4 o'clock position - to my right and slightly behind), I will accelerate to get out of their way if they are moving slower than me.

#3b. If they are abaft of me and matching OR exceeding my speed, I will let off gas or lightly brake to let them in.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:41:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> My personal right lane behavior:
> #1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.
>
> #2. If I am approaching onramp and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp but is slowing down for whatever reason(scared, not sure if they should go for it, or mirrors hindering view due to non-BGE config) I will let off the gas and flick highbeams for them to accelerate and proceed - if they "get" my cue. Many drivers don't.

>
> #3a. If I am alongside onramp and vehicle in onramp is abaft of me(in my 3-4 o'clock position - to my right and slightly behind), I will accelerate to get out of their way if they are moving slower than me.
> #3b. If they are abaft of me and matching OR exceeding my speed, I will let off gas or lightly brake to let them in.

I prefer that people NOT try to help. I am busy watching mirrors, ahead, traffic etc and by the time I realize you have altered speed it screws up everything. Last time someone did it, by the time the "after you alphonse" dance was over I was a complete stop at the end of the acceleration lane.

As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.

Harry K

Harry K wrote "- show quoted text -

"As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.

Harry K "

Then none of them should be driving.

It's called "flash to pass". Three or so quick flicks of the high beams registers in the minds of most responsible drivers who are paying attention.

And again, my attention is focused wayyy more ahead of me than just the vehicle I'm following. Imagine... Everyone focusing 1/4mile ahead, and mirrors set BGE? What a wonderful world....

Reminds me of a Donald Fagen song.

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> Harry K wrote:
>
>> "As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a
>> thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.

> Then none of them should be driving.
>
> It's called "flash to pass".

What you wrote in the post that Harry K responded to was:

> #1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before
> it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I
> shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.

If you're using your flash-to-pass feature to indicate that someone
should merge onto the highway, then you're misusing the feature. The
merger may interpret your signal that you're going to pass him and he
has to slow down and merge behind you, or that you're a jerk and are
speeding up to prevent his merge.

The flash-to-pass feature is used to indicate to the driver ahead of you
that you intend to pass and that they should move out of the passing
lane. It's not supposed to be used to indicate that you intend to let
the driver merge in front of you.

When approaching an interchange, just maintain a constant speed and let
the merger figure out how to position their vehicle to merge.

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> Harry K wrote:
>
>> "As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a
>> thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.

> Then none of them should be driving.
>
> It's called "flash to pass".

What you wrote in the post that Harry K responded to was:

> #1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before
> it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I
> shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.

If you're using your flash-to-pass feature to indicate that someone
should merge onto the highway, then you're misusing the feature. The
merger may interpret your signal that you're going to pass him and he
has to slow down and merge behind you, or that you're a jerk and are
speeding up to prevent his merge.

The flash-to-pass feature is used to indicate to the driver ahead of you
that you intend to pass and that they should move out of the passing
lane. It's not supposed to be used to indicate that you intend to let
the driver merge in front of you.

When approaching an interchange, just maintain a constant speed and let
the merger figure out how to position their vehicle to merge.

On 2013-12-18 04:47:39 +0000, Arif Khokar said:

> On 12/17/2013 04:28 PM, wrote:
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>> Harry K wrote:
>>
>>> "As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a
>>> thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.
>
>> Then none of them should be driving.
>>
>> It's called "flash to pass".
>
> What you wrote in the post that Harry K responded to was:
>
>> #1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before
>> it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I
>> shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.
>
> If you're using your flash-to-pass feature to indicate that someone
> should merge onto the highway, then you're misusing the feature. The
> merger may interpret your signal that you're going to pass him and he
> has to slow down and merge behind you, or that you're a jerk and are
> speeding up to prevent his merge.
>
> The flash-to-pass feature is used to indicate to the driver ahead of
> you that you intend to pass and that they should move out of the
> passing lane. It's not supposed to be used to indicate that you intend
> to let the driver merge in front of you.
>
> When approaching an interchange, just maintain a constant speed and let
> the merger figure out how to position their vehicle to merge.

Sorry, but I don't put my safety into the hands of others when I can
possibly avoid it.

That's why I'll move one lane to the left if there is anyone whose
entry to the highway could potentially cause me trouble.

On 12/18/2013 3:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2013-12-18 04:47:39 +0000, Arif Khokar said:
>
>> On 12/17/2013 04:28 PM, wrote:
>> [Correcting post format because you can't be bothered to use a
>> newsreader that works properly].
>>
>> Get a real newsreader program like Thunderbird and sign up for a free
>> account on http://www.eternal-september.org/ instead of using the crap
>> Google groups interface.
>>
>>> Harry K wrote:
>>>
>>>> "As for fliking your lights, there isn't one person out there in a
>>>> thousand that would have a clue about what you are doing.
>>
>>> Then none of them should be driving.
>>>
>>> It's called "flash to pass".
>>
>> What you wrote in the post that Harry K responded to was:
>>
>>> #1. If I am approaching onramp(one-quarter to one-eighth mile before
>>> it) and vehicle is ahead of me in said onramp making good speed, I
>>> shall flick my highbeams for them to proceed into highway.
>>
>> If you're using your flash-to-pass feature to indicate that someone
>> should merge onto the highway, then you're misusing the feature. The
>> merger may interpret your signal that you're going to pass him and he
>> has to slow down and merge behind you, or that you're a jerk and are
>> speeding up to prevent his merge.
>>
>> The flash-to-pass feature is used to indicate to the driver ahead of
>> you that you intend to pass and that they should move out of the
>> passing lane. It's not supposed to be used to indicate that you
>> intend to let the driver merge in front of you.
>>
>> When approaching an interchange, just maintain a constant speed and
>> let the merger figure out how to position their vehicle to merge.
>
> Sorry, but I don't put my safety into the hands of others when I can
> possibly avoid it.
>
> That's why I'll move one lane to the left if there is anyone whose entry
> to the highway could potentially cause me trouble.

If that wasteful maneuver is not conducted at speed, you are raising the
risk of more accidents. Just what is the problem with slowing down?



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