OT UNION BUSTING

Hey ****tard!!!! I do not live in the states for one, I'm a mechanic for
two, and IT DOES require more than what you think is required. I assembled
diesel engines at the factory, and give your ****ing head a shake
****tard..... not only do you have to assemble, you have to perform
diagnostics, and knowing how to calibrate the ecm's..****tard.
> wrote in message
news_S0l.479$O53.468@edtnps82...
> Yes... assembly line work requires little in the way of skills.... It's a
> bit like "would you like a pickle on that?". There are no diagnostic
> skills required.... there is no real thought process required.... I have
> done the pre-delivery inspection on enough vehicles that I can see where
> people have "gone to sleep". My logic says that a 'good" mechanic should
> make a LOT more than somme poohawk on an assembly line....
>
> One of the reasons that the mechanical trades are in trouble is because
> you folks in the US are only willing to offer $20 per hour for a job worth
> much more than $20 per hour (I am at almost $40 per hour).. At the same
> time - an idiots wage package is worth over $70???? Give your ****ing head
> a shake!!!
>
> The mechanic doesn't charge for performing a fix.... he charges for
> knowing which fix to perform....
>
>
>
>
> "razz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> So what your saying is a worker putting on parts on vehicles in factory
>> ( tab A into tab B ) requires no skill. ( I did work in a Auto Factory,
>> and I will say there is one hell of allot more to know than that ). So
>> your logic dictates that a mechanic at a dealership should only make what
>> a factory worker should make, after all a mechanic does the same thing,
>> put part on, and plug in sensors! Most of the mechanics I know are well
>> into the $20/hr and up range.
>> > wrote in message
>> news:l6S0l.454$O53.448@edtnps82...
>>> One of the things that nearly killed finance is "easy credit".
>>>
>>> Not a week went by that I didn't get pre-approved credit card offers in
>>> the mail... in my "in-box".. over the telephone. Companies were
>>> desparate for me to borrow their money.. "Take it!!! Please!!!".
>>>
>>> I am uncomfortable owing money... many aren't - and they will constantly
>>> borrow enough money to get in trouble.
>>>
>>> While finance ius raking in big profits in interest and user fees. it is
>>> upper management and capital investments that are the winners... The
>>> "grunts" in the trenches... clerks, number crunchers, rank and file
>>> employees don't appear to receive staggering wages....
>>>
>>> However.... UAW assembly line workers.... their wage/benefit package is
>>> reported to cost the manufacturer over $70 per hour... "Put tab A in
>>> slot B is worth over $70 per hour"? This is nuckin' futs.... Based on
>>> this principal, a packet of McDonalds french fries would be something
>>> like $10 if not more.... but cooking fries is pretty dangerous what with
>>> all that hot oil and the shop steward might shut down production at any
>>> time.
>>>
>>> A task is only worth a finite value... to unionize in an attempt to make
>>> that task "worth" more will only serve to artificially inflate the cost
>>> of those goods... fuelling inflation along the way.
>>>
>>> "Michael" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Dec 11, 7:05 pm, Millwright Ron > wrote:
>>>>>> UNION BUSTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
>>>>>> BUSTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why were Wall Street workers not asked for concessions?
>>>>>> Autoworkers stepped up to the plate to save the car industry. White-
>>>>>> collar workers, on the other hand, weren't expected to do the same
>>>>>> when financial firms went to Congress with hat in hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its all those damn workers fault for trying to get pay raises and
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> crazy thing called "health care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com
>>>>>
>>>>> It would make no sense to ask financial industry workers to make
>>>>> concessions. The financial industries problems flow from bad
>>>>> investments in the trillions of dollars. Cutting pay and benefits in
>>>>> the millions or even billions would have no effect. By contrast, ALL
>>>>> of Detroit's problems have to do with its assembly line workers.
>>>>> First they have nearly destroyed the market for domestic products with
>>>>> their crappy workmanship and their crappy attitudes, beginning with
>>>>> the strikes of the Sixties and continuing at least through the mid
>>>>> Nineties. Economic meltdown or no economic meltdown, the result of
>>>>> these decades of crap products is that it is difficult to find anyone
>>>>> under the age of 50 who will even consider a Detroit product. Second,
>>>>> Detroit's assembly line workers' pay packages and work rules and
>>>>> benefits put Detroit at a competitive disadvantage. That competitive
>>>>> disadvantage is sending the industry to the bottom. Modifications to
>>>>> the pay packages and work rules and benefits can have an effect on
>>>>> that competitive disadvantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now do you understand why financial workers have not been asked to
>>>>> make concessions, while Detroit's assembly line workers must make
>>>>> concessions or else lose their jobs completely? Moreover, your
>>>>> argument is not against concessions, it is in favor of spreading the
>>>>> concession mandate more broadly. Or, if I misunderstand you and your
>>>>> argument is that Detroit assembly line workers should make no further
>>>>> concessions, then you better start that job search right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> 180 Out
>>>>
>>>> While I don't disagree with you on the points regarding the UAW's
>>>> culpability in the automaker's troubles, the rest is simplistic and in
>>>> error. Concessions from the financial industry workers is not the
>>>> major problem with this ridiculous bailout. What frosts me is that
>>>> congress is willing to throw Billions with no strings attached at an
>>>> industry that cannot stop living high off the hog. Some of these
>>>> companies are using taxpayer money to expand their business, continue
>>>> to fund executive pay/bonus packages and hold meetings at exclusive
>>>> resorts. Congress has done nothing to curb this except continue to fund
>>>> these practices. Then they have the gall to rake the auto industry
>>>> over the coals and demand some unspecified new business model in
>>>> exchange for a few paltry (in comparison) dollars. I find this totally
>>>> obscene. For decades the UAW (and all other unions) have voted for
>>>> Democrats as the "party of the working man". As these working men get
>>>> left behind by congress, maybe they will rethink their position on
>>>> politics.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Wow... I don't care where you live.... your "I am a mechanic" statement is
falling into disrepute... What is it that requires "more" than this ****tard
realizes....

A hint.... I am a master tech.. with diesel certification... I am shop
foreman... I do well...

If you assembled anything on an assembly line... That makes you an assembly
line worker... Give your ****ing head a shake... it does NOT make you a
mechanic...

Knowing how to calibrate an ECM???? That isn't your decision and you
****ing know it.... Where the **** does that come from?

Tab A... Slot B... if that makes you feel good... take it while you can...

Soon.... quite soon... the world will realize that you should only get paid
for what you you deliver.. unions will evaporate.


"razz" > wrote in message
...
> Hey ****tard!!!! I do not live in the states for one, I'm a mechanic for
> two, and IT DOES require more than what you think is required. I assembled
> diesel engines at the factory, and give your ****ing head a shake
> ****tard..... not only do you have to assemble, you have to perform
> diagnostics, and knowing how to calibrate the ecm's..****tard.
> > wrote in message
> news_S0l.479$O53.468@edtnps82...
>> Yes... assembly line work requires little in the way of skills.... It's a
>> bit like "would you like a pickle on that?". There are no diagnostic
>> skills required.... there is no real thought process required.... I have
>> done the pre-delivery inspection on enough vehicles that I can see where
>> people have "gone to sleep". My logic says that a 'good" mechanic should
>> make a LOT more than somme poohawk on an assembly line....
>>
>> One of the reasons that the mechanical trades are in trouble is because
>> you folks in the US are only willing to offer $20 per hour for a job
>> worth much more than $20 per hour (I am at almost $40 per hour).. At the
>> same time - an idiots wage package is worth over $70???? Give your
>> ****ing head a shake!!!
>>
>> The mechanic doesn't charge for performing a fix.... he charges for
>> knowing which fix to perform....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "razz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> So what your saying is a worker putting on parts on vehicles in factory
>>> ( tab A into tab B ) requires no skill. ( I did work in a Auto Factory,
>>> and I will say there is one hell of allot more to know than that ). So
>>> your logic dictates that a mechanic at a dealership should only make
>>> what a factory worker should make, after all a mechanic does the same
>>> thing, put part on, and plug in sensors! Most of the mechanics I know
>>> are well into the $20/hr and up range.
>>> > wrote in message
>>> news:l6S0l.454$O53.448@edtnps82...
>>>> One of the things that nearly killed finance is "easy credit".
>>>>
>>>> Not a week went by that I didn't get pre-approved credit card offers in
>>>> the mail... in my "in-box".. over the telephone. Companies were
>>>> desparate for me to borrow their money.. "Take it!!! Please!!!".
>>>>
>>>> I am uncomfortable owing money... many aren't - and they will
>>>> constantly borrow enough money to get in trouble.
>>>>
>>>> While finance ius raking in big profits in interest and user fees. it
>>>> is upper management and capital investments that are the winners... The
>>>> "grunts" in the trenches... clerks, number crunchers, rank and file
>>>> employees don't appear to receive staggering wages....
>>>>
>>>> However.... UAW assembly line workers.... their wage/benefit package is
>>>> reported to cost the manufacturer over $70 per hour... "Put tab A in
>>>> slot B is worth over $70 per hour"? This is nuckin' futs.... Based on
>>>> this principal, a packet of McDonalds french fries would be something
>>>> like $10 if not more.... but cooking fries is pretty dangerous what
>>>> with all that hot oil and the shop steward might shut down production
>>>> at any time.
>>>>
>>>> A task is only worth a finite value... to unionize in an attempt to
>>>> make that task "worth" more will only serve to artificially inflate the
>>>> cost of those goods... fuelling inflation along the way.
>>>>
>>>> "Michael" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 7:05 pm, Millwright Ron > wrote:
>>>>>>> UNION BUSTING
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
>>>>>>> BUSTING
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why were Wall Street workers not asked for concessions?
>>>>>>> Autoworkers stepped up to the plate to save the car industry. White-
>>>>>>> collar workers, on the other hand, weren't expected to do the same
>>>>>>> when financial firms went to Congress with hat in hand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its all those damn workers fault for trying to get pay raises and
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> crazy thing called "health care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would make no sense to ask financial industry workers to make
>>>>>> concessions. The financial industries problems flow from bad
>>>>>> investments in the trillions of dollars. Cutting pay and benefits in
>>>>>> the millions or even billions would have no effect. By contrast, ALL
>>>>>> of Detroit's problems have to do with its assembly line workers.
>>>>>> First they have nearly destroyed the market for domestic products
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> their crappy workmanship and their crappy attitudes, beginning with
>>>>>> the strikes of the Sixties and continuing at least through the mid
>>>>>> Nineties. Economic meltdown or no economic meltdown, the result of
>>>>>> these decades of crap products is that it is difficult to find anyone
>>>>>> under the age of 50 who will even consider a Detroit product.
>>>>>> Second,
>>>>>> Detroit's assembly line workers' pay packages and work rules and
>>>>>> benefits put Detroit at a competitive disadvantage. That competitive
>>>>>> disadvantage is sending the industry to the bottom. Modifications to
>>>>>> the pay packages and work rules and benefits can have an effect on
>>>>>> that competitive disadvantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now do you understand why financial workers have not been asked to
>>>>>> make concessions, while Detroit's assembly line workers must make
>>>>>> concessions or else lose their jobs completely? Moreover, your
>>>>>> argument is not against concessions, it is in favor of spreading the
>>>>>> concession mandate more broadly. Or, if I misunderstand you and your
>>>>>> argument is that Detroit assembly line workers should make no further
>>>>>> concessions, then you better start that job search right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 180 Out
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don't disagree with you on the points regarding the UAW's
>>>>> culpability in the automaker's troubles, the rest is simplistic and in
>>>>> error. Concessions from the financial industry workers is not the
>>>>> major problem with this ridiculous bailout. What frosts me is that
>>>>> congress is willing to throw Billions with no strings attached at an
>>>>> industry that cannot stop living high off the hog. Some of these
>>>>> companies are using taxpayer money to expand their business, continue
>>>>> to fund executive pay/bonus packages and hold meetings at exclusive
>>>>> resorts. Congress has done nothing to curb this except continue to
>>>>> fund these practices. Then they have the gall to rake the auto
>>>>> industry over the coals and demand some unspecified new business model
>>>>> in exchange for a few paltry (in comparison) dollars. I find this
>>>>> totally obscene. For decades the UAW (and all other unions) have
>>>>> voted for Democrats as the "party of the working man". As these
>>>>> working men get left behind by congress, maybe they will rethink their
>>>>> position on politics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Well master mechanic, then you would of known each ecm has to be calibrated
to individual engine, such as if used to tow, and type of engine being used
on. So in order to program the fuel to air ratio's and various other
parameters, you plug the ecm into a computer program with the pre-
calibrated parameters set by the engineering department, and down load the
info and or adjust according to each individual engine.
> wrote in message
news:NSU0l.530$O53.83@edtnps82...
> Wow... I don't care where you live.... your "I am a mechanic" statement is
> falling into disrepute... What is it that requires "more" than this
> ****tard realizes....
>
> A hint.... I am a master tech.. with diesel certification... I am shop
> foreman... I do well...
>
> If you assembled anything on an assembly line... That makes you an
> assembly line worker... Give your ****ing head a shake... it does NOT make
> you a mechanic...
>
> Knowing how to calibrate an ECM???? That isn't your decision and you
> ****ing know it.... Where the **** does that come from?
>
> Tab A... Slot B... if that makes you feel good... take it while you can...
>
> Soon.... quite soon... the world will realize that you should only get
> paid for what you you deliver.. unions will evaporate.
>
>
> "razz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hey ****tard!!!! I do not live in the states for one, I'm a mechanic for
>> two, and IT DOES require more than what you think is required. I
>> assembled diesel engines at the factory, and give your ****ing head a
>> shake ****tard..... not only do you have to assemble, you have to perform
>> diagnostics, and knowing how to calibrate the ecm's..****tard.
>> > wrote in message
>> news_S0l.479$O53.468@edtnps82...
>>> Yes... assembly line work requires little in the way of skills.... It's
>>> a bit like "would you like a pickle on that?". There are no diagnostic
>>> skills required.... there is no real thought process required.... I have
>>> done the pre-delivery inspection on enough vehicles that I can see where
>>> people have "gone to sleep". My logic says that a 'good" mechanic should
>>> make a LOT more than somme poohawk on an assembly line....
>>>
>>> One of the reasons that the mechanical trades are in trouble is because
>>> you folks in the US are only willing to offer $20 per hour for a job
>>> worth much more than $20 per hour (I am at almost $40 per hour).. At the
>>> same time - an idiots wage package is worth over $70???? Give your
>>> ****ing head a shake!!!
>>>
>>> The mechanic doesn't charge for performing a fix.... he charges for
>>> knowing which fix to perform....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "razz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> So what your saying is a worker putting on parts on vehicles in factory
>>>> ( tab A into tab B ) requires no skill. ( I did work in a Auto Factory,
>>>> and I will say there is one hell of allot more to know than that ). So
>>>> your logic dictates that a mechanic at a dealership should only make
>>>> what a factory worker should make, after all a mechanic does the same
>>>> thing, put part on, and plug in sensors! Most of the mechanics I know
>>>> are well into the $20/hr and up range.
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> news:l6S0l.454$O53.448@edtnps82...
>>>>> One of the things that nearly killed finance is "easy credit".
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a week went by that I didn't get pre-approved credit card offers
>>>>> in the mail... in my "in-box".. over the telephone. Companies were
>>>>> desparate for me to borrow their money.. "Take it!!! Please!!!".
>>>>>
>>>>> I am uncomfortable owing money... many aren't - and they will
>>>>> constantly borrow enough money to get in trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> While finance ius raking in big profits in interest and user fees. it
>>>>> is upper management and capital investments that are the winners...
>>>>> The "grunts" in the trenches... clerks, number crunchers, rank and
>>>>> file employees don't appear to receive staggering wages....
>>>>>
>>>>> However.... UAW assembly line workers.... their wage/benefit package
>>>>> is reported to cost the manufacturer over $70 per hour... "Put tab A
>>>>> in slot B is worth over $70 per hour"? This is nuckin' futs.... Based
>>>>> on this principal, a packet of McDonalds french fries would be
>>>>> something like $10 if not more.... but cooking fries is pretty
>>>>> dangerous what with all that hot oil and the shop steward might shut
>>>>> down production at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> A task is only worth a finite value... to unionize in an attempt to
>>>>> make that task "worth" more will only serve to artificially inflate
>>>>> the cost of those goods... fuelling inflation along the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Michael" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 7:05 pm, Millwright Ron >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> UNION BUSTING
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About
>>>>>>>> UNION
>>>>>>>> BUSTING
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why were Wall Street workers not asked for concessions?
>>>>>>>> Autoworkers stepped up to the plate to save the car industry.
>>>>>>>> White-
>>>>>>>> collar workers, on the other hand, weren't expected to do the same
>>>>>>>> when financial firms went to Congress with hat in hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its all those damn workers fault for trying to get pay raises and
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> crazy thing called "health care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would make no sense to ask financial industry workers to make
>>>>>>> concessions. The financial industries problems flow from bad
>>>>>>> investments in the trillions of dollars. Cutting pay and benefits
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the millions or even billions would have no effect. By contrast,
>>>>>>> ALL
>>>>>>> of Detroit's problems have to do with its assembly line workers.
>>>>>>> First they have nearly destroyed the market for domestic products
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> their crappy workmanship and their crappy attitudes, beginning with
>>>>>>> the strikes of the Sixties and continuing at least through the mid
>>>>>>> Nineties. Economic meltdown or no economic meltdown, the result of
>>>>>>> these decades of crap products is that it is difficult to find
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> under the age of 50 who will even consider a Detroit product.
>>>>>>> Second,
>>>>>>> Detroit's assembly line workers' pay packages and work rules and
>>>>>>> benefits put Detroit at a competitive disadvantage. That
>>>>>>> competitive
>>>>>>> disadvantage is sending the industry to the bottom. Modifications
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the pay packages and work rules and benefits can have an effect on
>>>>>>> that competitive disadvantage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now do you understand why financial workers have not been asked to
>>>>>>> make concessions, while Detroit's assembly line workers must make
>>>>>>> concessions or else lose their jobs completely? Moreover, your
>>>>>>> argument is not against concessions, it is in favor of spreading the
>>>>>>> concession mandate more broadly. Or, if I misunderstand you and
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> argument is that Detroit assembly line workers should make no
>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>> concessions, then you better start that job search right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 180 Out
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I don't disagree with you on the points regarding the UAW's
>>>>>> culpability in the automaker's troubles, the rest is simplistic and
>>>>>> in error. Concessions from the financial industry workers is not the
>>>>>> major problem with this ridiculous bailout. What frosts me is that
>>>>>> congress is willing to throw Billions with no strings attached at an
>>>>>> industry that cannot stop living high off the hog. Some of these
>>>>>> companies are using taxpayer money to expand their business, continue
>>>>>> to fund executive pay/bonus packages and hold meetings at exclusive
>>>>>> resorts. Congress has done nothing to curb this except continue to
>>>>>> fund these practices. Then they have the gall to rake the auto
>>>>>> industry over the coals and demand some unspecified new business
>>>>>> model in exchange for a few paltry (in comparison) dollars. I find
>>>>>> this totally obscene. For decades the UAW (and all other unions)
>>>>>> have voted for Democrats as the "party of the working man". As these
>>>>>> working men get left behind by congress, maybe they will rethink
>>>>>> their position on politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Millwright Ron wrote:
> UNION BUSTING
>
> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
> BUSTING


For years, the unions have given political money to the Democrats and
bad-mouthed the Republicans at the same time. (Gee, just like you are
doing)

Can you really blame the Republican senators for trying to bust up the
union?

A three year old can figure that out, but the unions can't.

"Kruse" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Millwright Ron wrote:
>> UNION BUSTING
>>
>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
>> BUSTING
>
>
> For years, the unions have given political money to the Democrats and
> bad-mouthed the Republicans at the same time. (Gee, just like you are
> doing)
>
> Can you really blame the Republican senators for trying to bust up the
> union?
>
> A three year old can figure that out, but the unions can't.

The Republicans want to bust unions because their feelings are hurt?
Seriously?

dwight

So which of you garbage-mouth clowns spun the corners off the nuts in
the rear suspension of my brand-new Mustang?

--
Frank ess

"razz" > wrote in message
...
> Well master mechanic, then you would of known each ecm has to be
> calibrated to individual engine, such as if used to tow, and type of
> engine being used on. So in order to program the fuel to air
> ratio's and various other parameters, you plug the ecm into a
> computer program with the pre- calibrated parameters set by the
> engineering department, and down load the info and or adjust
> according to each individual engine.
> > wrote in message
> news:NSU0l.530$O53.83@edtnps82...
>> Wow... I don't care where you live.... your "I am a mechanic"
>> statement is falling into disrepute... What is it that requires
>> "more" than this ****tard realizes....
>>
>> A hint.... I am a master tech.. with diesel certification... I am
>> shop foreman... I do well...
>>
>> If you assembled anything on an assembly line... That makes you an
>> assembly line worker... Give your ****ing head a shake... it does
>> NOT make you a mechanic...
>>
>> Knowing how to calibrate an ECM???? That isn't your decision and
>> you ****ing know it.... Where the **** does that come from?
>>
>> Tab A... Slot B... if that makes you feel good... take it while you
>> can...
>>
>> Soon.... quite soon... the world will realize that you should only
>> get paid for what you you deliver.. unions will evaporate.
>>
>>
>> "razz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hey ****tard!!!! I do not live in the states for one, I'm a
>>> mechanic for two, and IT DOES require more than what you think is
>>> required. I assembled diesel engines at the factory, and give your
>>> ****ing head a shake ****tard..... not only do you have to
>>> assemble, you have to perform diagnostics, and knowing how to
>>> calibrate the ecm's..****tard.
>>> > wrote in message
>>> news_S0l.479$O53.468@edtnps82...
>>>> Yes... assembly line work requires little in the way of
>>>> skills.... It's a bit like "would you like a pickle on that?".
>>>> There are no diagnostic skills required.... there is no real
>>>> thought process required.... I have done the pre-delivery
>>>> inspection on enough vehicles that I can see where people have
>>>> "gone to sleep". My logic says that a 'good" mechanic should make
>>>> a LOT more than somme poohawk on an assembly line....
>>>>
>>>> One of the reasons that the mechanical trades are in trouble is
>>>> because you folks in the US are only willing to offer $20 per
>>>> hour for a job worth much more than $20 per hour (I am at almost
>>>> $40 per hour).. At the same time - an idiots wage package is
>>>> worth over $70???? Give your ****ing head a shake!!!
>>>>
>>>> The mechanic doesn't charge for performing a fix.... he charges
>>>> for knowing which fix to perform....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "razz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> So what your saying is a worker putting on parts on vehicles in
>>>>> factory ( tab A into tab B ) requires no skill. ( I did work in
>>>>> a Auto Factory, and I will say there is one hell of allot more
>>>>> to know than that ). So your logic dictates that a mechanic at a
>>>>> dealership should only make what a factory worker should make,
>>>>> after all a mechanic does the same thing, put part on, and plug
>>>>> in sensors! Most of the mechanics I know are well into the
>>>>> $20/hr and up range.
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> news:l6S0l.454$O53.448@edtnps82...
>>>>>> One of the things that nearly killed finance is "easy credit".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a week went by that I didn't get pre-approved credit card
>>>>>> offers in the mail... in my "in-box".. over the telephone.
>>>>>> Companies were desparate for me to borrow their money.. "Take
>>>>>> it!!! Please!!!".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am uncomfortable owing money... many aren't - and they will
>>>>>> constantly borrow enough money to get in trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While finance ius raking in big profits in interest and user
>>>>>> fees. it is upper management and capital investments that are
>>>>>> the winners... The "grunts" in the trenches... clerks, number
>>>>>> crunchers, rank and file employees don't appear to receive
>>>>>> staggering wages....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However.... UAW assembly line workers.... their wage/benefit
>>>>>> package is reported to cost the manufacturer over $70 per
>>>>>> hour... "Put tab A in slot B is worth over $70 per hour"? This
>>>>>> is nuckin' futs.... Based on this principal, a packet of
>>>>>> McDonalds french fries would be something like $10 if not
>>>>>> more.... but cooking fries is pretty dangerous what with all
>>>>>> that hot oil and the shop steward might shut down production at
>>>>>> any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A task is only worth a finite value... to unionize in an
>>>>>> attempt to make that task "worth" more will only serve to
>>>>>> artificially inflate the cost of those goods... fuelling
>>>>>> inflation along the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Michael" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 7:05 pm, Millwright Ron
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> UNION BUSTING
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All
>>>>>>>>> About UNION
>>>>>>>>> BUSTING
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why were Wall Street workers not asked for concessions?
>>>>>>>>> Autoworkers stepped up to the plate to save the car
>>>>>>>>> industry. White-
>>>>>>>>> collar workers, on the other hand, weren't expected to do
>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>> when financial firms went to Congress with hat in hand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its all those damn workers fault for trying to get pay
>>>>>>>>> raises and
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> crazy thing called "health care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would make no sense to ask financial industry workers to
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> concessions. The financial industries problems flow from bad
>>>>>>>> investments in the trillions of dollars. Cutting pay and
>>>>>>>> benefits in
>>>>>>>> the millions or even billions would have no effect. By
>>>>>>>> contrast, ALL
>>>>>>>> of Detroit's problems have to do with its assembly line
>>>>>>>> workers.
>>>>>>>> First they have nearly destroyed the market for domestic
>>>>>>>> products with
>>>>>>>> their crappy workmanship and their crappy attitudes,
>>>>>>>> beginning with
>>>>>>>> the strikes of the Sixties and continuing at least through
>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>> Nineties. Economic meltdown or no economic meltdown, the
>>>>>>>> result of
>>>>>>>> these decades of crap products is that it is difficult to
>>>>>>>> find anyone
>>>>>>>> under the age of 50 who will even consider a Detroit product.
>>>>>>>> Second,
>>>>>>>> Detroit's assembly line workers' pay packages and work rules
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> benefits put Detroit at a competitive disadvantage. That
>>>>>>>> competitive
>>>>>>>> disadvantage is sending the industry to the bottom.
>>>>>>>> Modifications to
>>>>>>>> the pay packages and work rules and benefits can have an
>>>>>>>> effect on
>>>>>>>> that competitive disadvantage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now do you understand why financial workers have not been
>>>>>>>> asked to
>>>>>>>> make concessions, while Detroit's assembly line workers must
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> concessions or else lose their jobs completely? Moreover,
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> argument is not against concessions, it is in favor of
>>>>>>>> spreading the
>>>>>>>> concession mandate more broadly. Or, if I misunderstand you
>>>>>>>> and your
>>>>>>>> argument is that Detroit assembly line workers should make no
>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> concessions, then you better start that job search right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 180 Out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I don't disagree with you on the points regarding the
>>>>>>> UAW's culpability in the automaker's troubles, the rest is
>>>>>>> simplistic and in error. Concessions from the financial
>>>>>>> industry workers is not the major problem with this ridiculous
>>>>>>> bailout. What frosts me is that congress is willing to throw
>>>>>>> Billions with no strings attached at an industry that cannot
>>>>>>> stop living high off the hog. Some of these companies are
>>>>>>> using taxpayer money to expand their business, continue to
>>>>>>> fund executive pay/bonus packages and hold meetings at
>>>>>>> exclusive resorts. Congress has done nothing to curb this
>>>>>>> except continue to fund these practices. Then they have the
>>>>>>> gall to rake the auto industry over the coals and demand some
>>>>>>> unspecified new business model in exchange for a few paltry
>>>>>>> (in comparison) dollars. I find this totally obscene. For
>>>>>>> decades the UAW (and all other unions) have voted for
>>>>>>> Democrats as the "party of the working man". As these working
>>>>>>> men get left behind by congress, maybe they will rethink their
>>>>>>> position on politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

If the UAW keeps digging the hole they are in deeper it will become
their grave.

Millwright Ron wrote:
> UNION BUSTING
>
> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
> BUSTING
>
> Why were Wall Street workers not asked for concessions?
> Autoworkers stepped up to the plate to save the car industry. White-
> collar workers, on the other hand, weren't expected to do the same
> when financial firms went to Congress with hat in hand.
>
> Its all those damn workers fault for trying to get pay raises and
> this
> crazy thing called "health care.
>
>
> Millwright Ron
> www.unionmillwright.com

dwight wrote:
> The Republican party should be disbanded. Today.

It will be if they don't move toward fiscal conservatism. As Ronald
Reagan said about the Democrat Party I now say about the Republican
Party. That is, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican
Party left me." There are a small handful of Republicans in Congress
that are true fiscal conservatives but they don't stand a chance of
influencing the direction of anything there.

dwight wrote:
> "Kruse" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Millwright Ron wrote:
>>> UNION BUSTING
>>>
>>> Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About UNION
>>> BUSTING
>>
>> For years, the unions have given political money to the Democrats and
>> bad-mouthed the Republicans at the same time. (Gee, just like you are
>> doing)
>>
>> Can you really blame the Republican senators for trying to bust up the
>> union?
>>
>> A three year old can figure that out, but the unions can't.
>
> The Republicans want to bust unions because their feelings are hurt?
> Seriously?

The unions have done a far more effective job of busting themselves than
any Republican.

Millwright Ron wrote:
>> Now do you understand why financial workers have not been asked to
>> make concessions, while Detroit's assembly line workers must make
>> concessions or else lose their jobs completely? Moreover, your
>> argument is not against concessions, it is in favor of spreading the
>> concession mandate more broadly. Or, if I misunderstand you and your
>> argument is that Detroit assembly line workers should make no further
>> concessions, then you better start that job search right now.
>>
>> 180 Out
>
>
>
> I think we all will need to work together and buy made in the U.S.A.
>
> $73 an Hour
>

<smegma snipped>


The truly sad part is that the UAW has been allowed to get away with
what they do for so long.

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