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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
harry newton posted for all of us...
> I like the ideas of: > a. Testing with a separate speaker (if I can find one) > I like the idea of hooking a guitar amp up to a transistor radio speaker to see how far the magnet flies. -- Tekkie |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers indecades)
On 05/12/17 14:48, harry newton wrote:
> He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800: > >> It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding >> speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place. > > The whole family is girls. All the more reason to encourage them to learn to make and fix stuff. Geek girls rock! |
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:58:11 +1100, Clifford Heath >
wrote: >On 05/12/17 14:48, harry newton wrote: >> He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800: >> >>> It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding >>> speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place. >> >> The whole family is girls. > >All the more reason to encourage them to learn to make and fix stuff. >Geek girls rock! My youngest intimidated most of her boyfriends untill she met her now hiusband - a heavy truck mechanic. None of the others coulkd drive her car (standard) and she could change a flat - they had to call road service - - - |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500:
> Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each, > for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the > originals. Price is never an indication of quality - it's just an indication of what other people are willing to pay - which - marketing knows - is highly influenced by marketing garbage. So, a 6x9" 20W $5 Parts Express speaker might or might not be as good as a 6x9" 20W $300 speaker at Toyota which itself might or might not be as good as a 6x9" 20W $25 speaker at Crutchfields. How are we to know? Sure, in the days of yore, we pored over those 3db power:frequency curves, from 7KHz to 20KHz on each speaker box, and where, folks like Jeff Liebermann would know, they always find a way to lie a little bit. While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad) as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields? Is there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision? |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 02:13:06 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
> wrote: >He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500: > >> Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each, >> for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the >> originals. > >Price is never an indication of quality - it's just an indication of what >other people are willing to pay - which - marketing knows - is highly >influenced by marketing garbage. > >So, a 6x9" 20W $5 Parts Express speaker might or might not be as good as a >6x9" 20W $300 speaker at Toyota which itself might or might not be as good >as a 6x9" 20W $25 speaker at Crutchfields. > >How are we to know? >Sure, in the days of yore, we pored over those 3db power:frequency curves, >from 7KHz to 20KHz on each speaker box, and where, folks like Jeff >Liebermann would know, they always find a way to lie a little bit. > >While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I >tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad) >as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields? > >Is there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision? A good indicator of quality is magnet mass. If it has a tiny little piddler of a magnet it will not handle any power - particularly bass. Then lookat the cone material, and the surround. The spider is also important- The basket is less critical - but in a large powerfull speaker the basket will be MUCH solider than on a cheap-ass speaker. If youfind a speaker with a cast aluminum basket you know you are looking at a higher quality speaker - and if it is stamped steel, the heavier the better. Poor suspension spiders and surrounds will let the voice-coil scuff on the magnet core - which makes a speaker rattle. A flexible basket can do the same. The surround compliance is different on a speaker designed for an accoustic suspension box than for a bass reflex, or an open baffle like in the average auto rear deck. Toyota actually used accoustic suspension on some of the "premium" sound systems years ago. LOTS of things you can look at. I have a pair of OEM Toyota speakers from the eighties sitting here, as well as a pair of speakers from a Zenith TV of about the same period - virtually the same size - and the Toyota speaker is significantly heavier. Thicker cone, thicker basket metal, and more rigid design - as well as a MUCH larger and stronger magnet, The Zenith also uses an "m"formed paper surround, while the Toyota uses a rubber surround. I've got a "tin ear" but even I can tell the difference between the two. The drivers in my AudioResearch towers are MUCH heavier than my no-name set too - and I replaced the foam surrounds that had totally "disolved" from age with new high-quality synthetic rubber surrounds - on both the active and passive 14 inch cones. In automotive speakers the basket rigidity is more important because of the "G" forces experienced when driving on rough roads. The cheap speaker might sound good when installed - but it may be pretty auful two years later. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 5 Dec 2017 03:48:53 +0000 (UTC), harry
newton > wrote: >He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800: > >> It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding >> speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place. > >The whole family is girls. Wait a second. The kid next door you're doing all this for is a girl. Do we have another Roy Moore here? |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 05 Dec 2017 20:43:37 -0500, Clare Snyder
> wrote: >On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:58:11 +1100, Clifford Heath > >wrote: > >>On 05/12/17 14:48, harry newton wrote: >>> He who is Oren said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:54:05 -0800: >>> >>>> It really is a shame when college kids can't fix a scratchy sounding >>>> speaker. A speaker smarter than a snowflake. with a safe place. >>> >>> The whole family is girls. >> >>All the more reason to encourage them to learn to make and fix stuff. >>Geek girls rock! > > My youngest intimidated most of her boyfriends untill she met her now >hiusband - a heavy truck mechanic. None of the others coulkd drive her >car (standard) and she could change a flat - they had to call road >service - - - That's pitiful. Two stories. Before cellphones: A girl I met at a lecture -- not attractive and I wasn't interested in her -- calls me on a Friday or Saturday to change her tire. I say, Can it wait until Sunday. Yes. I'm there, doing it and she's not watching. I say, Why don't you watch so you can do it yourself next time. "I'll call someone" "What if you're out in the country?" "I never go there". I finished the job and left and I hope she thought that was why I never called her. If she'd been cute, I still can't imagine spending my life with someone like that. (Plus she didn't seem very appreciative to let me work while she wasn't keeping me company, at least) Shopping for a car a couple months ago, guy had a beaufitul red Mustang, special black trim, special power chip for ignition, car 12 years old but interior (leather), exterior, engine compartment like new. etc. Stick shift. One of his teenage sons was sort of trying to learn to drive it and the other wsn't even learning to drive! The normal thing to do woudl be to give the car to his son, but neither could handle it. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
harry newton > wrote:
>He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500: > >> Whereas you can get generic 6x9s from Parts Express for around $5 each, >> for a total of $20 the set, and they probably won't be any worse than the >> originals. > >Price is never an indication of quality - it's just an indication of what >other people are willing to pay - which - marketing knows - is highly >influenced by marketing garbage. > >So, a 6x9" 20W $5 Parts Express speaker might or might not be as good as a >6x9" 20W $300 speaker at Toyota which itself might or might not be as good >as a 6x9" 20W $25 speaker at Crutchfields. They're all dreadful. It doesn't matter which one you buy, it will be dreadful. So buy the cheapest one or the most convenient one and don't worry about it. >While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I >tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad) >as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields? > >Is there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision? No, because it's basically not possible to get decent sound in a car anyway. And even if it were, it wouldn't be possible to do it with the typical full-range whizzer-cone speakers that we're talking about. So buy the cheapest ones you can get and it won't sound any worse than it did when the car was new. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers indecades)
On 12/6/2017 12:00 AM, micky wrote:
> > Shopping for a car a couple months ago, guy had a beautiful red Mustang, > special black trim, special power chip for ignition, car 12 years old > but interior (leather), exterior, engine compartment like new. etc. > Stick shift. One of his teenage sons was sort of trying to learn to > drive it and the other wasn't even learning to drive! The normal thing > to do would be to give the car to his son, but neither could handle it. > Times have changed. When we were in our early teens we were driving with dad in the parking lot and could not wait until we were 16. My brother turned 16 on a Thursday and passed his test on Saturday. I was about 2 weeks after my birthday taking mine. Now, having the latest cell phone is more important than cars and driving. Stick shift? Nah, they can't do it. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers indecades)
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On 12/06/2017 06:04 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > harry newton > wrote: >>He who is Scott Dorsey said on 5 Dec 2017 14:14:38 -0500: >> >>While I doubt the $300 per speaker at Toyota is a fair price, how can I >>tell, a priori, if the $5 speaker at Parts Express will be as good (or bad) >>as the $25 speaker at Crutchfields? >> >>Is there any way for a consumer to make an intelligent speaker decision? > > No, because it's basically not possible to get decent sound in a car anyway. > And even if it were, it wouldn't be possible to do it with the typical > full-range whizzer-cone speakers that we're talking about. So buy the cheapest > ones you can get and it won't sound any worse than it did when the car was > new. I'm SO lucky that my hearing range is limited -- the 1988 POS Caddy speakers were just fine, as are the 2016 Corolla speakers. Hubby used to be able to hear earthquakes a few seconds before we could feel them, though. Maybe he still can, we just haven't had one worth noticing for a while. -- Cheers, Bev "If God had wanted us to use the metric system, Jesus would have had 10 apostles." - Jesse Helms |
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