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  #11  
Old July 29th 17, 08:29 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,ca.driving
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:13:06 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:

>Roy Tremblay > writes:
>
>> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?

>
>Total waste of time.
>
>Drive the car until the tires wear out, then buy new ones.


+1
I never in my life rotated a tire, or had them rotated.
For a while I bought my tires used for 5-20 bucks a pop.
Now I buy 4 quality new tires when the old ones wear out.
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Old July 29th 17, 08:43 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

I intend to cross them to the other side. the old shop had it's alignment machine rust to pieces, and I won't find another shop until I get a good reccomendation, which does'nt happen, so I've 2 bad starboard tires, and I'll be putting one on the other side after I get the alignment and buy 2 new.
  #13  
Old July 29th 17, 10:26 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 9:44:45 AM UTC-10, Roy Tremblay wrote:
> > What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?
> > X > H > X > H year 1
> > X > H > X > H year 2
> > etsetera
> >
> > Basic assumptions:
> > Assume the alignment is within spec.
> > Assume the fronts consistently wear differently than do the rears.
> > Assume that F->B differential wear is symmetric per axle.
> > Assume the spare is a donut and therefore out of the picture.
> > Assume a rotation every change of seasons (about 4K miles roughly).
> > Assume bidirectional tread.
> > Assume whitewalls on one side (otherwise I could flip them on the rim).
> > Assume USA crowns, which is to say almost no crown most of the time.
> >
> > How does the logic of this X > H > X > H rotation pattern look to you?
> >
> > Assume tires go on in year 1, front to back, numbered:
> > 1 2
> > |
> > 3 4
> >
> > The first X-pattern rotation in Spring of year 1 gets us:
> > 4 3
> > |
> > 2 1
> >
> > The H pattern in Summer of year 1 gets us to:
> > 2 1
> > |
> > 4 3
> >
> > The X pattern of Fall of year 1 gets us to:
> > 3 4
> > |
> > 1 2
> >
> > And then, finally, the Winter H pattern of year 1 gets us back to:
> > 1 2
> > |
> > 3 4
> >
> > At the end of the year, with this X > H > X > H pattern I devised, I think
> > the tires would have been on every combination but always as a set per axle
> > because my fronts wear differently than do my rears.
> >
> > If I flip them on the rim, does that help in giving me rotation options?

>
> My guess is that tire rotation is mostly a device used by tire companies to get people to come into their shops on a regular basis. I've never done it nor am I likely to ever start. I don't have enough time and money to just toss it into the wind.


Rotating tires and re-balancing increases their life and places like Discount Tires do not charge for the service.

Not doing so is "tossing money into the wind".
But tire companies love you. :-)

Andy
  #14  
Old July 29th 17, 11:10 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
dsi1[_11_]
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 11:26:32 AM UTC-10, Andy wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 9:44:45 AM UTC-10, Roy Tremblay wrote:
> > > What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?
> > > X > H > X > H year 1
> > > X > H > X > H year 2
> > > etsetera
> > >
> > > Basic assumptions:
> > > Assume the alignment is within spec.
> > > Assume the fronts consistently wear differently than do the rears.
> > > Assume that F->B differential wear is symmetric per axle.
> > > Assume the spare is a donut and therefore out of the picture.
> > > Assume a rotation every change of seasons (about 4K miles roughly).
> > > Assume bidirectional tread.
> > > Assume whitewalls on one side (otherwise I could flip them on the rim).
> > > Assume USA crowns, which is to say almost no crown most of the time.
> > >
> > > How does the logic of this X > H > X > H rotation pattern look to you?
> > >
> > > Assume tires go on in year 1, front to back, numbered:
> > > 1 2
> > > |
> > > 3 4
> > >
> > > The first X-pattern rotation in Spring of year 1 gets us:
> > > 4 3
> > > |
> > > 2 1
> > >
> > > The H pattern in Summer of year 1 gets us to:
> > > 2 1
> > > |
> > > 4 3
> > >
> > > The X pattern of Fall of year 1 gets us to:
> > > 3 4
> > > |
> > > 1 2
> > >
> > > And then, finally, the Winter H pattern of year 1 gets us back to:
> > > 1 2
> > > |
> > > 3 4
> > >
> > > At the end of the year, with this X > H > X > H pattern I devised, I think
> > > the tires would have been on every combination but always as a set per axle
> > > because my fronts wear differently than do my rears.
> > >
> > > If I flip them on the rim, does that help in giving me rotation options?

> >
> > My guess is that tire rotation is mostly a device used by tire companies to get people to come into their shops on a regular basis. I've never done it nor am I likely to ever start. I don't have enough time and money to just toss it into the wind.

>
> Rotating tires and re-balancing increases their life and places like Discount Tires do not charge for the service.
>
> Not doing so is "tossing money into the wind".
> But tire companies love you. :-)
>
> Andy


No charge, that's great! Now if they can rotate the tires in 60 seconds or less, I'd go for it. Ideally, you want your tires to be rotated every night while you're sleeping. I believe that would be the best way to go.
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Old July 29th 17, 11:42 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
The Real Bev[_5_]
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On 07/29/2017 02:26 PM, Andy wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 9:44:45 AM UTC-10, Roy Tremblay wrote:
>>> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below? X > H
>>> > X > H year 1 X > H > X > H year 2 etsetera
>>>
>>> Basic assumptions: Assume the alignment is within spec. Assume
>>> the fronts consistently wear differently than do the rears.
>>> Assume that F->B differential wear is symmetric per axle. Assume
>>> the spare is a donut and therefore out of the picture. Assume a
>>> rotation every change of seasons (about 4K miles roughly). Assume
>>> bidirectional tread. Assume whitewalls on one side (otherwise I
>>> could flip them on the rim). Assume USA crowns, which is to say
>>> almost no crown most of the time.
>>>
>>> How does the logic of this X > H > X > H rotation pattern look to
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Assume tires go on in year 1, front to back, numbered: 1 2 | 3
>>> 4
>>>
>>> The first X-pattern rotation in Spring of year 1 gets us: 4 3
>>> | 2 1
>>>
>>> The H pattern in Summer of year 1 gets us to: 2 1 | 4 3
>>>
>>> The X pattern of Fall of year 1 gets us to: 3 4 | 1 2
>>>
>>> And then, finally, the Winter H pattern of year 1 gets us back
>>> to: 1 2 | 3 4
>>>
>>> At the end of the year, with this X > H > X > H pattern I
>>> devised, I think the tires would have been on every combination
>>> but always as a set per axle because my fronts wear differently
>>> than do my rears.
>>>
>>> If I flip them on the rim, does that help in giving me rotation
>>> options?

>>
>> My guess is that tire rotation is mostly a device used by tire
>> companies to get people to come into their shops on a regular
>> basis. I've never done it nor am I likely to ever start. I don't
>> have enough time and money to just toss it into the wind.

>
> Rotating tires and re-balancing increases their life and places like
> Discount Tires do not charge for the service.


I've always been happy with Discount Tires/America's Tires/whatever else
they call themselves. And I bought cheap ones. OTOH, the
"top-of-the-line" tires that the Cadillac dealer put on my mom's Caddy
developed (1) huge bubbles in the tread (both fronts), which they
refused to replace under warranty and sent us to the Bridgestone dealer,
who informed us that they had been obsolete when she bought them but
were still under warranty; (2) same dealer, different car: blown-out
sidewall. Too old to be under any kind of warranty (even though the
tread looked virgin) so I just had DT/AT replace the fronts.

The fact that the dealer was a crook (now out of business YAYYY!)
probably has no bearing on tire quality/longevity.

> Not doing so is "tossing money into the wind". But tire companies
> love you. :-)


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  #16  
Old July 30th 17, 01:36 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,ca.driving
Dean Hoffman[_5_]
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On 7/28/17 2:44 PM, Roy Tremblay wrote:
> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below? X > H > X
> > H year 1 X > H > X > H year 2 etsetera


The one thing I think I know about tire rotation is do it promptly
on schedule or not at all. It's especially important on all wheel drive
like Subies.
  #17  
Old July 30th 17, 03:41 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,ca.driving
Dan Espen[_2_]
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

Vic Smith > writes:

> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:13:06 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:
>
>>Roy Tremblay > writes:
>>
>>> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?

>>
>>Total waste of time.
>>
>>Drive the car until the tires wear out, then buy new ones.

>
> +1
> I never in my life rotated a tire, or had them rotated.
> For a while I bought my tires used for 5-20 bucks a pop.
> Now I buy 4 quality new tires when the old ones wear out.


Yet this thread goes on and on about you've got to do this,
and that. Seems like people like their rituals.

Same with the "winterizing" the lawn mower.
I just stop using it in the fall. In the spring it starts right up.
I've got at least 50 years of not rotating my tires and not
winterizing the lawn mower under my belt. No ill effects
noticed so far.

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Old July 30th 17, 03:03 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,ca.driving
Vic Smith
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:41:12 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:

>Vic Smith > writes:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:13:06 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:
>>
>>>Roy Tremblay > writes:
>>>
>>>> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?
>>>
>>>Total waste of time.
>>>
>>>Drive the car until the tires wear out, then buy new ones.

>>
>> +1
>> I never in my life rotated a tire, or had them rotated.
>> For a while I bought my tires used for 5-20 bucks a pop.
>> Now I buy 4 quality new tires when the old ones wear out.

>
>Yet this thread goes on and on about you've got to do this,
>and that. Seems like people like their rituals.
>
>Same with the "winterizing" the lawn mower.
>I just stop using it in the fall. In the spring it starts right up.
>I've got at least 50 years of not rotating my tires and not
>winterizing the lawn mower under my belt. No ill effects
>noticed so far.


Same here. I don't even run it out of gas. Same with the weedwhacker.
I think doing the rituals offend or confuse the machines, making them act up.

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Old July 30th 17, 06:27 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,ca.driving
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

On 07/30/2017 07:03 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:41:12 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:
>
>>Vic Smith > writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:13:06 -0400, Dan Espen > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Roy Tremblay > writes:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?
>>>>
>>>>Total waste of time.
>>>>
>>>>Drive the car until the tires wear out, then buy new ones.
>>>
>>> +1
>>> I never in my life rotated a tire, or had them rotated.
>>> For a while I bought my tires used for 5-20 bucks a pop.
>>> Now I buy 4 quality new tires when the old ones wear out.

>>
>>Yet this thread goes on and on about you've got to do this,
>>and that. Seems like people like their rituals.
>>
>>Same with the "winterizing" the lawn mower.
>>I just stop using it in the fall. In the spring it starts right up.
>>I've got at least 50 years of not rotating my tires and not
>>winterizing the lawn mower under my belt. No ill effects
>>noticed so far.

>
> Same here. I don't even run it out of gas. Same with the weedwhacker.
> I think doing the rituals offend or confuse the machines, making them act up.


They don't like being ignored either. I don't whack weeds very often
and was shocked to find that THAT LITTLE THING was the carb and needed
to be cleaned. I couldn't put it back together again although I have
cleaned MC carbs successfully. Enough. Nothing but electric whackers
and mowers from then on.

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and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke
  #20  
Old September 4th 17, 09:06 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default Logic for or against the tire-rotation pattern X > H > X > H

In rec.autos.tech, on Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:10:12 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 11:26:32 AM UTC-10, Andy wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 9:44:45 AM UTC-10, Roy Tremblay wrote:
>> > > What do you think about the 4-tire rotation pattern below?
>> > > X > H > X > H year 1
>> > > X > H > X > H year 2
>> > > etsetera
>> > >
>> > > Basic assumptions:
>> > > Assume the alignment is within spec.
>> > > Assume the fronts consistently wear differently than do the rears.
>> > > Assume that F->B differential wear is symmetric per axle.
>> > > Assume the spare is a donut and therefore out of the picture.
>> > > Assume a rotation every change of seasons (about 4K miles roughly).
>> > > Assume bidirectional tread.
>> > > Assume whitewalls on one side (otherwise I could flip them on the rim).
>> > > Assume USA crowns, which is to say almost no crown most of the time.
>> > >
>> > > How does the logic of this X > H > X > H rotation pattern look to you?
>> > >
>> > > Assume tires go on in year 1, front to back, numbered:
>> > > 1 2
>> > > |
>> > > 3 4
>> > >
>> > > The first X-pattern rotation in Spring of year 1 gets us:
>> > > 4 3
>> > > |
>> > > 2 1
>> > >
>> > > The H pattern in Summer of year 1 gets us to:
>> > > 2 1
>> > > |
>> > > 4 3
>> > >
>> > > The X pattern of Fall of year 1 gets us to:
>> > > 3 4
>> > > |
>> > > 1 2
>> > >
>> > > And then, finally, the Winter H pattern of year 1 gets us back to:
>> > > 1 2
>> > > |
>> > > 3 4
>> > >
>> > > At the end of the year, with this X > H > X > H pattern I devised, I think
>> > > the tires would have been on every combination but always as a set per axle
>> > > because my fronts wear differently than do my rears.
>> > >
>> > > If I flip them on the rim, does that help in giving me rotation options?
>> >
>> > My guess is that tire rotation is mostly a device used by tire companies to get people to come into their shops on a regular basis. I've never done it nor am I likely to ever start. I don't have enough time and money to just toss it into the wind.

>>
>> Rotating tires and re-balancing increases their life and places like Discount Tires do not charge for the service.
>>
>> Not doing so is "tossing money into the wind".
>> But tire companies love you. :-)
>>
>> Andy

>
>No charge, that's great! Now if they can rotate the tires in 60 seconds or less, I'd go for it. Ideally, you want your tires to be rotated every night while you're sleeping. I believe that would be the best way to go.


My tires rotate whenever I drive. I've checked. I had someone else
drive the car in a parking lot in circles and sure enough, the tires
rotate.
 




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